Some early statistical observations!

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  1. og15

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    Tmac shot way too many jumpers [still is], and Pierce too, Pierce also took like 100 more three's than Carter last season, but the thing is when Carter drives, he drives to kick the ball out more than he should. If he drove looking to draw contact and score then it'd be better that always driving to find many times [last season] players who won't hit the shot.

    Tmac did take more jumpshots than Carter last season, and Pierce took about the same. Michael Redd actually took less jumpshots than those guys, but Carmelo? Where did you get that on from, he takes a lot of shots, but he doesn't take that many jumpshots, he drives a lot and also is in the post doing some work too, also out of all those guys he drew the most fouls in comparison to his FG attempts.

    Carter was drawing fouls at a slightly higher rate than Marion last season, and Marion is someone who overcompensates with his athleticism to avoid contact when he drives, so that's not good. He improved in the second part of the season, but it was still not good.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Tmac did take more jumpshots than Carter last season, and Pierce took about the same. Michael Redd actually took less jumpshots than those guys, but Carmelo? Where did you get that on from, he takes a lot of shots, but he doesn't take that many jumpshots, he drives a lot and also is in the post doing some work too, also out of all those guys he drew the most fouls in comparison to his FG attempts.

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    i got carmello from watching him play. seems everytime i see him play he's hoisting up tons of jumpers. hes posting up and driving too dont get me wrong...but based on what iv seen...he could do with more driving too.
     
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    Maybe you just watched him at the wrong times :P
    I don't know, for a perimeter player though, he didn't shoot a lot of jumpshots last season, he was actually taking less jumpshots than Lebron was, and just a little more than Wade.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe you just watched him at the wrong times :P
    I don't know, for a perimeter player though, he didn't shoot a lot of jumpshots last season, he was actually taking less jumpshots than Lebron was, and just a little more than Wade.</div>

    I think he's been taking more jumpshots this year. Last year, only 54% of his shots were jumpers. This year, so far, more than 2/3 of his shots have been jumpers.
     
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    Lebron is out to a pretty good start but I thought he was shooting closer to .500 pct from the field but it's the same as last year for now at 41%. Leading the league in minutes played 45 gives him alot of time to lower his pct%. But still a pretty good start overall.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron is out to a pretty good start but I thought he was shooting closer to .500 pct from the field but it's the same as last year for now at 41%. Leading the league in minutes played 45 gives him alot of time to lower his pct%. But still a pretty good start overall.</div>

    Even though his percentage is only 41%, he's shooting the 3 pointer much better and doing a great job getting to the free throw line, so he's actually been a more efficient scorer so far.

    The best measure of how efficient a scorer a player is isn't field goal percentage, but rather points per shot attempt.

    Points/Shot Attempt (PSA) = points / (fga + 0.44*fta)

    The formula is an approximation, of course, since multipling free throw attempts by .44 only approximates the number of trips to the free throw line. If a player has 1 PSA that's about average. James only had .98 PSA last year. So far this year its 1.04, which is decent.

    By comparison, last year Dwayne Wade had a 1.05 PSA, and so far this year its at 1.30, which is a blazing pace (only Brent Barry last year had a better PSA).

    Last year, Carmelo Anthony had a 1.02 PSA. So far this year he's really struggled, with only a .63 PSA. He needs to quit launching so many of those 20 foot jumpers.
     
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    So which, if any of these players have been affected by the tighter officiating? Seems to me like it would favor slashers (and put a premium at free throw shooting - D-Wade, the Mavericks, the new Lakers, anyone on the Jazz running Sloan's plays), while slowing up the larger, more physical players (Shaq, Duncan, etc).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting brad_jones007:</div><div class="quote_post">So which, if any of these players have been affected by the tighter officiating? Seems to me like it would favor slashers (and put a premium at free throw shooting - D-Wade, the Mavericks, the new Lakers, anyone on the Jazz running Sloan's plays), while slowing up the larger, more physical players (Shaq, Duncan, etc).</div>

    In 4 games this season, Kobe is averaging 15 fta per game. Wade is averaging 12 fta per game. James is averaging 11.7 fta per game. Iverson is averaging 9.7 fta per game. McGrady is averaging a relatively modest 7.5 fta per game, but he's been taking a bunch of jump shots in a few games. I would say that, by and large, slashers are definitely getting more free-throws like you say.
     
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    I'm seeing why the Raptors got off to a 3-0 start. I looked up Skip and he's doing a superb job. 14.7 ppg and 6.7 apg in 33.3 mpg. + He's shooting .548 from the field and hit 9 threes outta 17 attempts. .529 from the arc. Way to go Skip.
     
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    can i add a great statistic?

    in all 4 of their games thus far, every Piston starter has scored in double digits. yes, even Ben Wallace [​IMG]

    i think that's a great testament to the team's unselfishness and balanced attack.
     
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    Man Melo is off to a horrible start and his last game shooting 5-14 from the field. Which will sort bump his field goal shooting up a tad. That's 10% higher then his .254 shooting field goal percentage from his first 3 games. So far he's going through a sophmore jinx. Like he's having flashbacks from the Olympics.

    Anyways I do believe he still can manage getting 24 ppg this season like I had orginally predicted to him. He just has to find some kinda rythm. Cause the Nuggets really does need his scoring since their struggling right now themselves.
     
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    Melo is taking too many jump shots. Check out these stats from www.82games.com:

    Shot Att. ---- eFG% ---- Ast'd ---- Blk'd ----- Pts
    Jump 74% ----.208 ------ 42% ------ 7% ---- 6.3
    Inside 26% ---.476 ------ 27% ----- 24% ---- 5.0

    This means 74% of his shots have been jumpers, and only 26% have come inside. And his effective fg% on jumpers is very poor so far, only 20.8%.

    Compare that with his numbers last year:

    Shot Att. ---- eFG% ---- Ast'd ---- Blk'd ----- Pts
    Jump 54% ----.373 ------ 52% ------ 4% ---- 7.2
    Inside 46% ---.542 ------ 58% ----- 16% ---- 8.9

    Only 54% of his shots were jumpers, and he shot more respectably (37.3 efg%). What also stands out is he did a better job getting his shots in the flow of the offense last year: 55% of his field goals were assisted. This year, only 36% of his shots are assisted. This means he's trying too hard to create his own shot, and he's not getting good looks. As you can see, he's also getting his shot blocked at a higher frequency so far this year.

    Anyways, it's fun to go through these stats, but 4 games at the beginning of the year isn't a very useful sample. I'm sure he'll play more intelligently as the season progresses.
     
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    I think it's because of playing Andrei Kirilenko twice already [​IMG] , still not as bad as Vince, Tmac and Pierce who had 78%, 77%, and 79% respectively last season, but I think playing Utah and going against Harpring and Kirilenko has something to do with that.
     
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    Originally Posted by og15
    Tmac did take more jumpshots than Carter last season, and Pierce took about the same. Michael Redd actually took less jumpshots than those guys, but Carmelo? Where did you get that on from, he takes a lot of shots, but he doesn't take that many jumpshots, he drives a lot and also is in the post doing some work too, also out of all those guys he drew the most fouls in comparison to his FG attempts.


    Yah its true, Carter drives more, but if u compare him with the carter of four years ago, he drives about a 1/3 as much, not eve. Last years carter i give him props. He drove to the baseline pretty much 75% of the time. But this year he doesn't. You'll be lucky tos ee him do a floater. The man has to dunk over some centers again. He has too much talent to waste on perimeter jumpers. Same can be said about t-mac, lebron, and kobe. If you remember Jordan, he shot around 50% throughout his career, by taking midrange jumpers and driving in. I like Carters paint game, its unreal. I just hate it when he shoots two feet inside the threepoint line to start off a game. If hes making em its all good, but he just doesn't know when to stop.
     

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