<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">CHICAGO - Obsessed with winning a championship, Alonzo Mourning has been trying to negotiate a buyout with the Nets to join a team with a better chance of winning a title, according to four league sources.</div> Link Zo wants a buyout, and wants to be sent to a championship contending team? Well, then the Nets and Lakers should consider this trade idea New Jersey trades: PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 36.5 minutes) C Alonzo Mourning (8.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.9 minutes) New Jersey receives: PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes) SF Devean George (7.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes) PF Chris Mihm (6.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.5 minutes) SF Caron Butler (9.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 29.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: +8.1 ppg, +12.4 rpg, and -5.4 apg. L.A. Lakers trades: PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes) SF Devean George (7.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes) PF Chris Mihm (6.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.5 minutes) SF Caron Butler (9.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 29.8 minutes) L.A. Lakers receives: PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 67 games) C Alonzo Mourning (8.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12 games) Change in team outlook: -8.1 ppg, -12.4 rpg, and +5.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to New Jersey and L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey and L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Why would the Lakers trade 4 players for two old injured guys? The reason is because this trade will dump Brian Grant's HUGE contract. They also lose Devean George, who doesnt seem like he will get any playing time this season. This trade is practically Chris Mihm and Caron Butler for Jason Kidd and Alonzo Mourning. Zo's health seems pretty good so far, and he can give u 12/6 on a nightly basis. This is to back up Vlade Divacs. If Zo's health improves more,he can play more minutes and maybe become a 16/10 player. Jason Kidd, injured. People are afraid that he will not be any good when he returns. Let me tell you, even if he doesnt go back to how he was before, he will still be better than what the Lakers have right now. Chucky Atkins? Sasha Vujavic? And if Jason Kidd does return to what he was before the injury, then the Lakers will become championship contenders right away. PG - Jason Kidd/Chucky Atkins SG - Kobe Bryant/Kareem Rush SF - Jumaine Jones/Luke Walton PF - Lamar Odom/Brian Cook C - Vlade Divac/Alonzo Mourning I dont know about you, but this lineup looks pretty impressive. The Nets would do this trade to get rid of an unhappy Alonzo Mourning, and Jason Kidd, who no one knows how much the injury will affect his game in the future. Also, he is getting old. Since the Nets are rebuilding, they will get Caron Butler and Chris Mihm, 2 young players who could blossom in NJ since there really is no "goto-guy" except RJ. This would give them both a chance to show what they've got. In LA, they wouldn't get this chance because of Kobe and Odom. NJ also needs a banger. Brian Grant provides this. Devean George will provide the Nets will a spark off the bench with a trey here and there, and a few nice dunks. He will not get the chance to play in LA, behind Kobe, Rush, Jumaine Jones, and Luke Walton. PG - Travis Best/Jacque Vaughn SG - Richard Jefferson/Devean George SF - Caron Butler/Eric Williams PF - Brian Grant/Aaron Williams/Brian Scalabrine C - Chris Mihm/Nenad Krstic The Nets would have a relativly young team, with a few veterans to provide leadership. Post your thoughts!
PG - Jason Kidd/Chucky Atkins SG - Kobe Bryant/Kareem Rush SF - Jumaine Jones/Luke Walton PF - Lamar Odom/Brian Cook C - Vlade Divac/Alonzo Mourning No chance. Next year, we risk not having Kidd, Divac, and Mourning. Then, we've already declined Rush's extension, and Walton's contract is in it's last year right now. That leaves us with: C - Medvedenko PF - Odom, Cook SF - Jones SG - Kobe/Vujacic PG - Atkins/Tierre And I don't think we'd have FA's running to join a team like that...so we'd have to rely on three years of the lottery...etc, etc.
If I owned the Lakers or if I was Mr. Bush, I'd dump Mr. Kupchak and hire you jtam101 as a replacement. This trade makes a lot of sense for both teams. And furthermore, no matter how big the risk is when the guy is Jason Kidd you gotta play into the gamble and take your chances. And if the betting money is Brian Grant, it becomes a no-brainer. If we lose, oh well at least we tried. But I don't ever think both Zo and Kidd are done. No disrespect to RJ, but Kobe is a major improvement for Jason's running alley-oop mate. Considering Kidd being healthy, the Lakers will straight away be a contender. But having said all this, the last concern is whether Kidd or Kobe is willing to let the other dominate the ball.
lol, thanks PupMelo. As for your concern about Kobe and J-Kidd willing to let the other dominate the ball, there shouldnt be a problem. J-Kidd knows hes not a scorer. He will only score around 16PPG, or less. He is mainly there to provide the young team with leadership, experience and great passing. Kobe and Shaq had a problem with each other because They both wanted to score. What Kidd brings to the table to steals, rebounds, and assists. Im sure Kobe would love to have a PG who could find him and give him easy scores. This was what Gary Payton's role last year was SUPPOSED to be, except GP got greedy and wanted to score.
I see why it would be a good decision now...but in two years, we'll be under the cap and have nobody but Kobe...and that's what worries me. Guys like Yao and Amare, they'll be free agents soon...but I really doubt they'd want to go away from their respected teams. A championship would be nice, but not if it means we are a lottery team for 5 years afterwards...ya know? I see the reasoning behind this...but just what if we don't win with that new roster? Then we'd really be in jeopardy of destroying a franchise.
Jtam101, yeah I know in terms of scoring, Kidd wouldn't mind if he ends up even not scoring at all and Kobe scoring 35-40 as long as they won. But I do think that the root of the problems between Shaq and Kobe of their years together had been in who dominated the ball, which is beyond just scoring the basketball. Kobe needs the ball in his hand most of the time although he didn't need it as much as Shaq did to be effective. Just like T-Mac in Houston now (or Orlando in previous seasons or basically everywhere he plays), where Van Gundy puts the ball in his hands to make decisions in the O while Yao, unlike Shaq, is willing to wait for McGrady to dump the ball to him and thus score. Kobe needs the ball in his hands to set up the O, while J-Kidd no question needs it more than anybody in the L to be effective. My concern arose because I didn't see how Kobe would want his game to be a catch-and-shoot type like Richard Hamilton in Detroit. And people should know playing alongside Kidd, who dominates the ball, will make you into these types of players. You don't make a decision when or where to shoot, Mr. Kidd decides it for you. And I don't see it happening to Kobe, because he loves so much to create the O for himself and his teammates. This trade could happen and the system could work fine if one of these two guys is willing to defer to another. To make it work at its most effective, Kobe has gotta let Kidd dominate the ball and not the other way around because if you take away the ball from him, Kidd's effectiveness will be reduced so greatly he would just be another point guard who happens to have an eye on the back of his head (and with Kobe dominating the ball the third eye is basically useless). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I see the reasoning behind this...but just what if we don't win with that new roster? Then we'd really be in jeopardy of destroying a franchise.</div> Well you gotta take the good with the bad. With the current lineup we have there's also a potential injury to Butler or Mihm anytime. And if you could rid Brian Grant and replace him with J Kidd I don't see why we should consider the risks further. In two years, the least Kidd could do is play injured, but in the same two years, the least our bunch could do is be injured, overrated, or Mihm and Butler not playing to their potential. If in two years, the most Kidd could do is play the way he used to play when he was still a healthy Net, then the Lakers would have a great chance of going to the second round and even the Western Finals. And in the same two years the most our bunch could do is just Mihm emerging with probably 11 ppg and 7 rpg and Butler probably becoming a 15 point scorer. But the chance that the two emerging is very slim, I just don't see it... maybe you do and there's no wrong in that, but Jason Kidd is much more enticing than these two combined. :thumbsup:
Sorry Rj, I am going to have to side with this trade, I think it would be great for the Lakers. I mean if we look at it this way, Kidd is 31 he just had sergury to improve his knee and plus, even if he doesn't do as good as he does before he is still a top 5 pg in the league. With Zo coming we get a good backup c who shouldn't have any problems If he is playing succesful with the nets, when i say succesful i mean no problems with his kidney. With the addition to Kidd he can bring in a real teacher to Kobe, I mean right now Kobe is on his own and he is doing a ok to good job at it, but if you brought in somebody like Kidd who has such experience and knows the game so well and knows how to make other people better it could really help Kobe's leadership abilities. I disagree with you we would be a lottery team because of these facts: if we brought in this line-up, we would be considered a instant title contender which brings hype and a lot of driving power to come to our team. If teams like Houstan fail than I would be like Yao pissed because of the fact he can' win with t-mac which might cause him to sign with the lakers or someone else. Same with Phoenix, I mean if the Lakers make a trade like this, It is a huge possibility the Laker take the championship. I mean you got a pg who can put up 16ppg/8assists/3steals, a sg who can put up 35ppg/5assists/5rebounds, a pf who can put up 20ppg/9rebounds/4assists probably Jumaine Jones who can put up 6ppg/5rb/2assists, and Divac who can put up 10ppg/8rb/4assists is a strong team. Than your bench consists of Alonzo Mourning, Kareem Rush, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Sasha, Slava, and all those guys can come out and put in a good effort. Thats a strong team. Even if we loose those 3 players Rj, we would still have a pull for being a winning club, I mean a player will put its trust in a team that always seems to find a way to win and if we make this trade, it gives up huge I mean huge openings to win championships which would shock everyone and get every soon to be free agent saying wow if they could loose Shaq, Payton, and Malone in a season and come back and win a championship they must have good management, I want to play with them. That's what it would be like and could be huge for the Lakers. I say YES YES YES! To this trade!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry Rj, I am going to have to side with this trade, I think it would be great for the Lakers. I mean if we look at it this way, Kidd is 31 he just had sergury to improve his knee and plus, even if he doesn't do as good as he does before he is still a top 5 pg in the league. With Zo coming we get a good backup c who shouldn't have any problems If he is playing succesful with the nets, when i say succesful i mean no problems with his kidney. With the addition to Kidd he can bring in a real teacher to Kobe, I mean right now Kobe is on his own and he is doing a ok to good job at it, but if you brought in somebody like Kidd who has such experience and knows the game so well and knows how to make other people better it could really help Kobe's leadership abilities. I disagree with you we would be a lottery team because of these facts: if we brought in this line-up, we would be considered a instant title contender which brings hype and a lot of driving power to come to our team. If teams like Houstan fail than I would be like Yao pissed because of the fact he can' win with t-mac which might cause him to sign with the lakers or someone else. Same with Phoenix, I mean if the Lakers make a trade like this, It is a huge possibility the Laker take the championship. I mean you got a pg who can put up 16ppg/8assists/3steals, a sg who can put up 35ppg/5assists/5rebounds, a pf who can put up 20ppg/9rebounds/4assists probably Jumaine Jones who can put up 6ppg/5rb/2assists, and Divac who can put up 10ppg/8rb/4assists is a strong team. Than your bench consists of Alonzo Mourning, Kareem Rush, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Sasha, Slava, and all those guys can come out and put in a good effort. Thats a strong team. Even if we loose those 3 players Rj, we would still have a pull for being a winning club, I mean a player will put its trust in a team that always seems to find a way to win and if we make this trade, it gives up huge I mean huge openings to win championships which would shock everyone and get every soon to be free agent saying wow if they could loose Shaq, Payton, and Malone in a season and come back and win a championship they must have good management, I want to play with them. That's what it would be like and could be huge for the Lakers. I say YES YES YES! To this trade! </div> Who's RJ? And about being a lottery team...I'm talking about when we lose Divac and Mourning to possible retirement, and all we have is Kidd and Kobe. The big "WHAT IF's" are what scares me. What if Kidd has to retire, also? We really would be a lottery team with JUST Kobe and Odom, even though I believe he's one of the best, we wouldn't have any backups...and for our starters, we would have guys that typically come off the bench for the last 2 minutes of a game (except Kobe). There's no doubt we'd be contenders with Zo and Kidd, Odom and Kobe...but once Zo and Kidd are gone, we have nothing but a superstar and Odom...
^ Yeah, but what more do you want? ^^ Lols players are not meant to play forever, and when there's a deal to get rid of your Shandon Anderson (Brian Grant) we'd better listen... and wasn't it you realdealbneal that is willing to trade Devean George for anybody? Well, the good news for you is he's in this trade proposal. How's that?
No team in its right mind would trade for Alonzo Mourning for another player. A very creative team could try to trade a recently retired player's contract for him, though, if the retiring contract were a bit cheaper and within the trade restrictions. Seventeen million (17,000,000) and three years left on his contract. That's about 5.6 million a year. As an owner, I would avoid a contract like that unless I could figure out a way to help my bottom line.
I don't think the Nets would trade both J-Kidd, and Alonzo to the same team, in the same deal. San Antonio and Minnesota should look to trading for him. They both need a Center, Minnesota more then San Antonio. How about Trenton Hassell, and NDudi Ebi, or Anthony Carter for Alonzo. That would be good for both sides IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Who's RJ? And about being a lottery team...I'm talking about when we lose Divac and Mourning to possible retirement, and all we have is Kidd and Kobe. The big "WHAT IF's" are what scares me. What if Kidd has to retire, also? We really would be a lottery team with JUST Kobe and Odom, even though I believe he's one of the best, we wouldn't have any backups...and for our starters, we would have guys that typically come off the bench for the last 2 minutes of a game (except Kobe). There's no doubt we'd be contenders with Zo and Kidd, Odom and Kobe...but once Zo and Kidd are gone, we have nothing but a superstar and Odom...</div> Sorry someone told me your nick name was Rj for some reaosn my bad, anyways that what i was saying, even if we loose those guys which i doubt we would loose alll of them, we would still have a pull factor for the free agents like yao and etc because the fact we win championships and that what is important to hose players now, and with especially I think Yao, if he can't win with Tmac he might be willing to sign with a diff team that always seems like a title contender and that is the Lakers and if the Lakers make this trade then we will have a ten time better chance of winning which will give us that pull factor
The Lakers aren't going to be title contenders with Mourning since he's not in his prime anymore. He will most likely go to the Spurs, Kings, Timberwolves, Pistons, Pacers or Heat; simple as that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">nets could get alot more for kidd</div> Are you serious its like giving up what we got for shaq plus deaven george for jason kidd i would never do this trade giving away chris mihm and caron butler for jason kidd is insane and on top of that brian grant i tihnk were betetr off the way we are right now Chris mim will turn out to be a good player and caron butler might be an allstar why i nthe world would we do this trade picking up injury prone old guys for new young blossoming players doesnt make sense. BAD TRADE
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers aren't going to be title contenders with Mourning since he's not in his prime anymore. He will most likely go to the Spurs, Kings , Timberwolves, Pistons, Pacers or Heat; simple as that.</div> If you consider the Kings to be title contender than you should def consider the Lakers a title contender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">If you consider the Kings to be title contender than you should def consider the Lakers a title contender.</div> I still don't see why people (Laker fans) think the Lakers are better. Don't let the records fool you, Kings are much better than 0-3. They just had bad luck to begin their season with the Texas Triangle.
<font color="Purple">ilike how PupMelo point out that kobe will like to have the ball to be effective not just scoring but also like to set-up teammates. also if we think this trade will make us a title contender this season but will be a very bad team in the next few year coz we just traded our future players to get some over the hill players. also i think nets will not trade both players in the same team and same deal just like S.Livingston14 said. also i think nets will not buyout his contract. they will trade them to get a decent player or maybe a few future picks. this also goes with kidd, if teams really want kidd they have to give good players just to let nets make a deal. from the very start i dont want kidd to be a lakers since it was oppose to how bryant plays. and pls this current lakers line-up will do wonder in the near future. lets just wait and give them some time. </font>
^ exactly. give them a chance, we have only seen a glimps of yet to come with this new laker team. and i agree that w/ this trade LA could become title contenders but it is also not good for them in the long run. give them a chance....
