<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Anyone hear anything about Baron Davis being traded to the Warriors for a #1 round draft pick????</div> No way that would be a steal, draft pick aint worth anything.</div> And Baron ain't worth nothing either considering he is always HURT
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah i know that's a steal that's why i want to know if it's a rumor or not. They've better give us Jamison along with that 1st round pick.</div> I doubt Washington would give Jamison back to the Warriors so they could trade him to the Hornets, but you can hope....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Please name 1 player that he has played with in his 9 years that you would clasify as a good second option. </div> Jerry Stackhouse....20.7 pts a game in Philly with Iverson.... Keith Van Horn....15.1 pts/gm, 7.1 rebs/gm while in Philly with Iverson.... Dikemba Mutumbo....11pts/gm, 12 reb/game, 2.5 blocks per game while in Philly with Iverson.... I know you said 1, but its more emphatic if I stick 3 in your face....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Please name 1 player that he has played with in his 9 years that you would clasify as a good second option. </div> Jerry Stackhouse....20.7 pts a game in Philly with Iverson.... Keith Van Horn....15.1 pts/gm, 7.1 rebs/gm while in Philly with Iverson.... Dikemba Mutumbo....11pts/gm, 12 reb/game, 2.5 blocks per game while in Philly with Iverson.... I know you said 1, but its more emphatic if I stick 3 in your face....</div> It's pretty sad when the best you could come up with includes Mutombo and Van Horn. Both of these guys are stiffs. And acctually, Sixers got to the finals the year we traded Mutombo for Ratliff. Van Horn is a stiff, if you have ever watched any basketball, the guys has no balls and cant play. Stackhouse and Iverson played during his rookie year, and both played the same positions. Thats going wayyy too far back. Look at any other great player ever, they always had a sidekick. I am surprised you didnt go as far and Bid DOG Robinson and Kukoc.
i think its a good deal for the 76ers. i think over the years Iverson has gotten better at passing, and with Webber there it should be better. They've got some other good guys like Korver. Sixers will compete in the east. of course its the east
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think Kings got the better deal, all three players they got were solid, they have so much depth, more defense, and are in a prime position to win the west. Philly is a 3 player team now, and the way iverson jacks up shots like there is no one else on the court, I dont think he and webber could co-exist.</div> Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton 24 Jamal Mashburn SF 6-8 247 Nov. 29, 1972 Kentucky 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan Hey Bearsfan if you can count how many peoople are on that list is it just 3.
Quality players Iverson has had around him: Tim Thomas - Not a great player but a legitimate 2nd option Toni Kukoc - you can say what you want but he averaged 14 points/11 PPG while he was in city and shot a better % than iverson. Keith Van Horn - He is a better 1st option than Iverson Aaron Mckie - Injuries hampered him the last few years, but for a 2 year stretch he was a legitimate #2 Speedy Claxton - He couldnt could co-exist with the "mad bomber" but was a quality player also Matt Harpring - capable of averging 17 a game. averaged 11 in philly, left "Me, Myself, and Iverson" behind and his scoring average and FG % rocketed in a team oriented system. Jim Jackson - Only thing this guy does is score, though it was a brief stay in philly(Iverson was concerned about a better scorer?) Jerry Stackhouse - Iverson drove him away. Of course i have only listed the ones who are decent NBA scorers. He has always had tons of defensive talent around him like Eric Snow, and Theo Ratliff. Plus, who knows how many players his shoot 1st mentality kept from shining cuz they never saw the ball at decent times when iverson jacked up some stupid shot. For every assist he has in his career, he has 2 shots he should never thought about taking. So if your defense for him being unselfish is that he has 7 assists a game, it is cuz the defense is solely focused on him, and the 9 times a game the ball escapes the black hole, they are bound to score cuz everyone expected Iverson to shoot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (T.Oforphil81)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think Kings got the better deal, all three players they got were solid, they have so much depth, more defense, and are in a prime position to win the west. Philly is a 3 player team now, and the way iverson jacks up shots like there is no one else on the court, I dont think he and webber could co-exist.</div> Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA -- Worthless 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova --- worthess 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall -- average 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming --- worthless 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit --- below average 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona --- Good 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown --- People would want(dont know why) 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple --- Average 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton --- Specialist, just 3 point shooter 24 Jamal Mashburn SF 6-8 247 Nov. 29, 1972 Kentucky --- never going to play 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple --- not the same player he was 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut --- poor 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest --- average 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami --- worthless 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan ---- very good Hey Bearsfan if you can count how many peoople are on that list is it just 3.</div> I see 3 people on this list someone might want on thier team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Quality players Iverson has had around him: Tim Thomas - Not a great player but a legitimate 2nd option **Tim Thomas is the most overpaid player in the league, ask the Knicks if he can pla Toni Kukoc - you can say what you want but he averaged 14 points/11 PPG while he was in city and shot a better % than iverson. **he was a 6th man in Chicago, and that's all he can be. Keith Van Horn - He is a better 1st option than Iverson **Are you on Drugs??? Him and AI acctually played well together, in the playoffs he couldnt make a shot. Aaron Mckie - Injuries hampered him the last few years, but for a 2 year stretch he was a legitimate #2 **He's still on the team, has not been the same since 2001 Speedy Claxton - He couldnt could co-exist with the "mad bomber" but was a quality player also **You cannot have 2 guys smaller then 6 feet on the floor at the same time, not in basketball Matt Harpring - capable of averging 17 a game. averaged 11 in philly, left "Me, Myself, and Iverson" behind and his scoring average and FG % rocketed in a team oriented system. **Yeah, Utah is definately doing good this year, on the way to the lottery pick Jim Jackson - Only thing this guy does is score, though it was a brief stay in philly(Iverson was concerned about a better scorer?) **I dont even remember him on the team. 97-98, man you are going way back. Jerry Stackhouse - Iverson drove him away. **His career FG% is lower then AI's. You had 2 guys that played the same position the same way, AI is better then Stackhouse, thats why they traded him. Of course i have only listed the ones who are decent NBA scorers. He has always had tons of defensive talent around him like Eric Snow, and Theo Ratliff. **Ratliff left cause he was hurt, and they traded him to get Mutombo. Eric Snow cant shoot for shit, a good defensive player and was a point guarrd here for like 6 years. Now he's a backup in cleveland. Plus, who knows how many players his shoot 1st mentality kept from shining cuz they never saw the ball at decent times when iverson jacked up some stupid shot. For every assist he has in his career, he has 2 shots he should never thought about taking. So if your defense for him being unselfish is that he has 7 assists a game, it is cuz the defense is solely focused on him, and the 9 times a game the ball escapes the black hole, they are bound to score cuz everyone expected Iverson to shoot.</div> You know what, you dont understand this team. Yes, AI takes a lot of shot, the fact is most players cant handle taking that many. Name another player 5'11" tall weights 150lbs that can handle driving to the hole as much as he does. You make it sound like all he does is take jump shots, this guy spend more time in the lane then anyone. You are not giving him enough respect.
If he is driving the lane he should shoot better than 41%. That is my problem with him. He is very good defensively for a guy his size, he is one of the toughest players in the league. But what are we talking about here, too many shots, we talking about too many shots. I dont know if there is another player that does, but he is hurting his team with his shot selection. I think he could average 12 asssists and score the same amount of points, but he is too selfish.
Check this out Allen Iverson: Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(29.8) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.6) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.17) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.2) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Minutes Played(2025.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(474.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1142.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(424.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(517.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Assists(367.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals(104.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points(1428.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.24) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.07) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(10.05) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(12.25) Ranks #17 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.47) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(33.8) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(197.0) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1136.0) Ranks #13 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(23.67) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.1) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(4.67) Thats pretty impressive for a guy to be in top 10 in all those categories. I think you just dont give him enough credit, if anything he shows to everyone that anybody can be a great basketball player not just tall people. Name another player of his size that has ever done what he has. Sure he's not perfect, but he did lead the Sixers to the finals, and I think given the right circamstances, he can do it again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Check this out Allen Iverson: Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(29.8) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.6) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.17) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.2) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Minutes Played(2025.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(474.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1142.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(424.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(517.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Assists(367.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals(104.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points(1428.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.24) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.07) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(10.05) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(12.25) Ranks #17 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.47) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(33.8) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(197.0) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1136.0) Ranks #13 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(23.67) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.1) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(4.67) Thats pretty impressive for a guy to be in top 10 in all those categories. I think you just dont give him enough credit, if anything he shows to everyone that anybody can be a great basketball player not just tall people. Name another player of his size that has ever done what he has. Sure he's not perfect, but he did lead the Sixers to the finals, and I think given the right circamstances, he can do it again.</div> It really is only 3 stats he is leading in, Points, Assists and steals, the others are just a rehash of those, except for turnovers and i would not want to rank top in the league in turning it over
I think the number of free throws say a lot too. And the fact that he leads the league in minutes per game is incredible. I do think he turns the ball over a bit much, but he has gotten better.
[quote name='Eagles4Life'] It's pretty sad when the best you could come up with includes Mutombo and Van Horn. Both of these guys are stiffs. And acctually, Sixers got to the finals the year we traded Mutombo for Ratliff.[/quote] The Sixers traded Ratliff for Mutumbo, not the other way around....Mutumbo was on the Finals team. Instead of proving your point, you have proven mine. Dikemba Mutumbo was a legitimate All Star Center when he was in Philly. No one averaging a double-double while leading the league in blocks is a "stiff" as you called him. [quote name='Eagles4Life'] Van Horn is a stiff, if you have ever watched any basketball, the guys has no balls and cant play.[/quote] Van Horn has had an extremely successful career. If I had played 493 NBA Basketball games and averaged 17 points, 7.3 Boards, and 1.7 assists as a Power Forward, I wouldnt feel like a stiff.... [quote name='Eagles4Life'] Stackhouse and Iverson played during his rookie year, and both played the same positions. Thats going wayyy too far back. Look at any other great player ever, they always had a sidekick. [/quote] Stack is a SG, Iverson came in as a PG....so they didnt play the same position then. They do now, only because Iverson has moved to the 2. [quote name='Eagles4Life'] I am surprised you didnt go as far and Bid DOG Robinson and Kukoc.[/quote] Glenn Robinson-679 games, 20.8 points/gm, 6.1 reb/gm, 2.8 assists/gm, 1.2 steals/gm....yeah hes real sucky....hes not a 2nd option at all(hell, hes a 1st option...) Once again, you spew ignorance as only the blindest of all eagles fans can....
I think Iverson moved back to the point gaurd position now. As a result the renamed the position, The Scores Points Gaurd but doesnt pass enough so in the end it hurts his team but what are we talking? Practice? We are talking about pratice?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am not shock that you feel that way, you have already demonstrated your lack of knowledge in football, so why should basketball be any different. If you would rather have Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner then Chris Webber, then you know nothing about basketball.</div> Truly, what is their to know about basketball? Don't be suckered by jackasses like Rick Majerus who try to make the game more complex than it ever will be. All you gotta do is look at the brain surgeons playing the game & the nimrods covering it to know otherwise Basketball knwolwdge is an oxymoron much like another thread on this site A humble Clarett. E4L; its really shallow for you to denigrate BF1's knowlege simply because he disagrees w/ you 99% of the time
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think the number of free throws say a lot too. And the fact that he leads the league in minutes per game is incredible. I do think he turns the ball over a bit much, but he has gotten better.</div> All the numbers add up and point to one thing AI is selfish. If he is the answer then I never want to know the question
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>E4L; its really shallow for you to denigrate BF1's knowlege simply because he disagrees w/ you 99% of the time</div> I dont disagree with him. No matter what i say he will contradict it just to start a fight. Look at the bledsoe thread for proof. I make a point he contradicts, and i find other posts that he posted the exact opposite. His philosophy is the opposite of mine, no matter what mine is. His changes to meet it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>E4L; its really shallow for you to denigrate BF1's knowlege simply because he disagrees w/ you 99% of the time</div> I dont disagree with him. No matter what i say he will contradict it just to start a fight. Look at the bledsoe thread for proof. I make a point he contradicts, and i find other posts that he posted the exact opposite. His philosophy is the opposite of mine, no matter what mine is. His changes to meet it.</div> BF1 is getting way too frisky here. It happened once, when the Colts got blown our by the Pats I posted that Manning choked. Then, I thought about it and realized that there were more reasons to the Colts losing besides Manning. Unlike BF1, whoc reminds me more and more of Merril Hoge, where the guy sticks with same mantra no matter how wrong he is. We'll see how good this trade is by the end of the year.
[quote name='TheBeef'][quote name='Eagles4Life'] It's pretty sad when the best you could come up with includes Mutombo and Van Horn. Both of these guys are stiffs. And acctually, Sixers got to the finals the year we traded Mutombo for Ratliff.[/quote] The Sixers traded Ratliff for Mutumbo, not the other way around....Mutumbo was on the Finals team. Instead of proving your point, you have proven mine. Dikemba Mutumbo was a legitimate All Star Center when he was in Philly. No one averaging a double-double while leading the league in blocks is a "stiff" as you called him. [quote name='Eagles4Life'] Van Horn is a stiff, if you have ever watched any basketball, the guys has no balls and cant play.[/quote] Van Horn has had an extremely successful career. If I had played 493 NBA Basketball games and averaged 17 points, 7.3 Boards, and 1.7 assists as a Power Forward, I wouldnt feel like a stiff.... [quote name='Eagles4Life'] Stackhouse and Iverson played during his rookie year, and both played the same positions. Thats going wayyy too far back. Look at any other great player ever, they always had a sidekick. [/quote] Stack is a SG, Iverson came in as a PG....so they didnt play the same position then. They do now, only because Iverson has moved to the 2. [quote name='Eagles4Life'] I am surprised you didnt go as far and Bid DOG Robinson and Kukoc.[/quote] Glenn Robinson-679 games, 20.8 points/gm, 6.1 reb/gm, 2.8 assists/gm, 1.2 steals/gm....yeah hes real sucky....hes not a 2nd option at all(hell, hes a 1st option...) Once again, you spew ignorance as only the blindest of all eagles fans can....[/quote] If Vanhorn was that damn good, he wouldn't be getting traded every year, come on man. The only reason this guy is still around is because NBA has guaranteed contacts. Teams cant wait to get rid of him. Mutombo was good the year we went to the finals, but his career was pretty much over by then. Look at him now, he barely gets on the court at all. This is not the Mutombo that was getting defensive player of the year awards year after year, his play really did go down, and he got way to slow. Glenn Robinson didnt even play this year, not because he was injured but because he was such a little bitch. He cant play defense, and is a perfect example of a fact that stats mean shit. We traded him for Rodney Rogers and a guy with one leg (Mashburn) Check this out, Since AI has been here we have been to the playoffs every year besides his rookie year and last year. Thats 7 out of 9 years. Thats pretty good, and for every one of those teams he was the centerpiece. He has 3 scoring titles, and MVP title. everything besides and NBA title. You watch, he will do all he can this year to win. Just look at the game on Saturday, he had 29 points and 15 assists. Thats a good game. When Webber gets more used to playing on the Sixers, this will be a hard team to beat. Right now we are 3rd team in the East behind Miami and Detroit, I cannot wait for the playoffs. It certainly helps the Super Bowl hangover.
