Redd? E-Rob?

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  1. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Embattled former Chicago Bulls forward Eddie Robinson and his representatives were hoping the Cavaliers would show some interest in signing him after he was bought out of his contract last week. Robinson was an undrafted free agent when Cavaliers coach Paul Silas got ahold of him five seasons ago with the Charlotte Hornets and molded him into a highly effective role player who earned a $32 million deal in Chicago. He was hoping Silas' leadership would help him restore his reputation after the Bulls basically declared him a lost cause midway through last season. Silas still likes him as a player, but advised him not to take the Bulls' buyout offer of $10.6 million because it would cost him nearly $4 million and he was sure to be traded if he allowed enough time. Other than that, Silas couldn't help him. At this juncture, team owner Gordon Gund will not approve another salary for a 15th player.

    ? Carlos Boozer's contract numbers with the Utah Jazz have become known. He'll make $10.97 million this season, $11.59 million the next four years and $12.66 million in the sixth year.

    ? One of the potential free agents the Cavaliers are believed to be interested in next summer is Milwaukee Bucks sharpshooter Michael Redd. With a potential of $20 million in salary-cap space, the Cavaliers could be a major player for the former Ohio State star.</div>

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    I would steer clear of E-Rob if I where the Cavs. They already have enough talent at the Swing position with James & Jackson. E-Rob is an unmotivated player who has not and will not live up to expectations.

    As for the interest in Redd, it's going to be hard to attract him away from the Bucks. The Bucks are trying to build around him and he's their marquee player. He would be a great addition to the Cavs, because they lack a consistent shooter and Redd would allow LeBron to have more isolation plays because of his ability to score.
     
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    I'm not sure that it would be possiible for the Cavs to get Redd. You have to keep in mind that Z is a free agent this summer. If they lose him, they'd have a hard time finding a center to fill up the middle.

    As stated before, James and Jackson are already at the wing positions. Overall, I think it is more important for the Cavs to retain Z and then develop Jackson. As much as I would love to see Redd on the Cavs, I'm not sure if that would happen. I don't think it'll be possible for the Cavs to sign Redd and re-sign Z. Not to mention, the Cavs have to think about signing JMac as well.

    I think it would be best to retain the core players and build around them. If a team has to get used to new key players every year, consistency and chemistry can be issues.
     
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    I'm not sure that it would be possiible for the Cavs to get Redd. You have to keep in mind that Z is a free agent this summer. If they lose him, they'd have a hard time finding a center to fill up the middle.

    Overall, I think it is more important for the Cavs to retain Z and then develop Jackson. Jackson has the potential to be a solid perimeter player. As much as I would love to see Redd on the Cavs, I'm not sure if that would happen. I don't think it'll be possible for the Cavs to sign Redd and re-sign Z. Not to mention, the Cavs have to think about signing JMac as well.

    I think it would be best to retain the core players and build around them. If a team has to get used to new key players every year, consistency and chemistry can be issues.
     
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    Good points. I'm pretty sure Z will be a priority for them and they have the edge in bringing him back because he's a restricted free agent. There a three reasons the Cavs might be able to get both players.

    1. This past off-season we've seen a lot of overspending by GM's and owners for free agents and players looking for extensions. This might favor the Cavs as well, because these huge signings are backfiring thus far. Z will do all he can this season to put up big numbers looking to cash in, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get lowballed in the off-season, similar to Erick Dampier or Elton Brand a couple of seasons ago.

    2. If the Cavs make it clear they will match any offer, teams will be reluctant to entertain any deals to him because it prevents them from attracting other free agents. We saw this work for the Grizzlies with Stromile Swift.

    3. A lot of young big men will become free agents this summer. Including, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, Kwame Brown, Brendon Haywood, Primo Brezec, Theo Ratliff, Stromile Swfit, Sammy Dalembert, and Shareef Abdul Rahim.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One of the potential free agents the Cavaliers are believed to be interested in next summer is Milwaukee Bucks sharpshooter Michael Redd. With a potential of $20 million in salary-cap space, the Cavaliers could be a major player for the former Ohio State star.</div>


    That is the guy I want more then anything to come to Cleveland.. We need a slick shooter like Redd and I think he would do great with James.
     
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    Their's just not enough money around for the Cavs to get Redd, looking at the amount of money just average players are getting, Redd will be getting a fat paycheck, they have to sign Lebron a few years after that, and Gooden if he does good, they'd have one mad cap. I also don't think Cleveland would be one of the first places he would look too.
     
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    I think if the Cavs were able to get Redd they would be a deffinant playoff contender,even though M.Redd would have to take a backseat to Lebron,he has been in that situation before being behind Ray Allen when he played for the Bucks.

    Not to mention Michael Redd is a Ohio natvie so that could help the Cavs case.
     
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    I think Redd would definetly consider coming here. He is supposedly a real family guy that come to Ohio to visit his family and friends often. I can see him wanting to come here to be closer to his loved ones. But we are gonna have to fork over a whole lot of cash if we want to sign him. Having Redd on our team would make us so much better. Right now we have virtually no shooting threats. If we signed a shooter like Redd it would open up a lot of options for us on the court. He can also contribute in several other ways besides shooting.
     
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    I'd like ot see Redd come to Cleveland. He's sharp shooting would make most teams better, although the problem of the salary cap, what with LeBron, Z and possibly Gooden could force them to look elsewhere
     
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    Unless Redd take a "hometown discount" being a former OSU guy, I don't see the move happening. Redd and Bron would be killer though for sure.
     
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    Players don't take discounts, unless it's an already championship team, and at Redd's age, he's not desperate for a championship yet lol
     
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    We will have enough money with Redd next year..
     
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    Redd makes sense...his outside shooting would be the perfect complement to James and Z...but forget about E-Rob, he is a malcontent and will likely never reach his potential...plus I heard NY wants him, so let them be stuck with that locker room cancer...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Players don't take discounts, unless it's an already championship team, and at Redd's age, he's not desperate for a championship yet lol</div>

    I know that he wouldn't, and since he wouldn't I don't see him in cleveland.
     
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    If the Cavs get Redd, they dont need Jmac. They'll just start Snow @ the PG and sign a FA, or trade Dajuan Wagner for a PG. The lineup could end up looking like this:

    PG - Eric Snow/*Dajuan Wagner/Some FA
    SG - Michael Redd/Lucious Harris
    SF - Lebron James/Luke Jackson
    PF - Drew Gooden/Robert Traylor
    C - Zydrunas Ilgaulzkus/Anderson Varejao

    *Dajuan Wagner if he is still here

    Of course, the CAP would be huge. They would also have to dump some other high salary players. I doubt Michael Redd will leave Milwaukee though, with the new 2 hit punch of Michael Redd and Desmond Mason coming along nicely, and 3 hit punch if T.J. Ford makes a full recovery.
     
  16. Shapecity

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    I disagree with the Cavs not having enough cap space to sign both Redd & Big Z. The Cavs have one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA as it is and they have quite a few expiring contracts this season. In all likelyhood Ilgauskas is going to probably take a paycut from the 14M he's earning this year. I would estimate him making between $7M to $10M, with a priority for him looking for a longterm deal. If you look at the current salary figures for players, there is no chance a GM offers him $14M when players like Duncan and Kobe are making that much, the only player on their roster worth a max deal in that neighborhood is LeBron. I'd value Ilgauskas closer to Eric Dampier at $7M or Gasol making $10M. The additional $4M along with Wagners $2.6M and JMac's $3.6M should be enough to land Redd. Market value wise, Redd is similar to Ginobili of the Spurs who is making close to $7M a season. Even if the Cavs break the bank and offer both players $10M a season, they will be in good shape because they would have basically traded Redd for JMac & Wagner.

    As for the concerns with Gooden having to be re-signed. The Cavs have Varajao developing at PF for insurance. Also GM's might be scared off by Gooden's track record of being traded 3 times, in 3 years. They are going to lowball him because of the fact other teams gave up on him so early in his career. I also think Silas's system makes it possible for PF's to excel no matter who he inserts there.

    Then of course you have the LeBron factor. In the next few seasons he's going to have the draw a Jason Kidd has or Shaq has in getting hungry veterans to sign on for cheap to play for a championship competitor. The Cavs will be able to fill the bench with these type of players and surround their 3 stars LeBron, Redd, and Big Z with the necessary role players to make them a championship team.

    If everything falls into place they will be set for the next 4 or 5 years.

    PG - Snow
    SG - Redd
    SF - James
    PF - Gooden
    C - Z
     
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    I think that Michael Redd would want to go a team with an immediate chnace at winning a championship. Not a team that has no chance untill atleast a couple of years.
     
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    Lebron is the future for the NBA for the next 15 years! Although he won't admit it publicly, Redd would kill for a chance to play alongside Bron-Bron! Cleveland is one peice away from making a serious push and Redd could very well be that peice!
     
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    If the Cavs make an agreement with Redd before signing Z, we can go over the cap to re-sign Z.

    Wagner will walk
    McInnis will walk
    Harris will walk
    Diop will walk.

    So we will have enough to give Redd a great contract AND go over the cap to sign big Z.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Cavs make an agreement with Redd before signing Z, we can go over the cap to re-sign Z.

    Wagner will walk
    McInnis will walk
    Harris will walk
    Diop will walk.

    So we will have enough to give Redd a great contract AND go over the cap to sign big Z.</div>

    That would be the perfect thing to do. Wagner is injury proned and hasn't played up to full potential so far, McInnis would be missed, but we could live, Harris just isn't starting material; He's a good person to bring off the bench, and Diop is just a waste. I don't see none of this happening though...

    I still think were not going to have enough money to bring in both Big Z and Redd, but if I wanted to have one of them, it would be Big Z because we got LeBron who can play SG, and really don't need another guard. We need defense and rebounding over scoring in my opinion.
     

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