More than half the NBA teams make the playoffs every year, its not a big time accomplishment like in the NFL....the Blazers and Jazz had 20+ year streaks of making the playoffs....it was stated that in the time AI was in Philly, they never had a good 2nd option....many examples of good to great 2nd options have been given....Its not like Im suprised that an Eagles fan refuses to see something about his team....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>BF1 is getting way too frisky here. It happened once, when the Colts got blown our by the Pats I posted that Manning choked. Then, I thought about it and realized that there were more reasons to the Colts losing besides Manning. Unlike BF1, whoc reminds me more and more of Merril Hoge, where the guy sticks with same mantra no matter how wrong he is. </div> That would make sense if you hadnt gone and posted manning was a choker again several weeks later. I knew you would disagree that point though, since you disagree every point i make.
You are not 3rd in the east, you are the 3rd seed with the 8th best record. Come on, talk about a distortion. UPDATE: Phlly is now out of the 3rd spot and 2 games out of the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>More than half the NBA teams make the playoffs every year, its not a big time accomplishment like in the NFL....the Blazers and Jazz had 20+ year streaks of making the playoffs....it was stated that in the time AI was in Philly, they never had a good 2nd option....many examples of good to great 2nd options have been given....Its not like Im suprised that an Eagles fan refuses to see something about his team....</div> Of all the guys mentioned, the only one that you can really consider a second option was Mutombo, and they went to the Finals that year with him. Where they lost to a Superior Lakers team. I dont understand exactly what your point is. If you dont think AI is a good player, fine...but dont go out there and pull out all these players that flat out suck, and say that they were good second options.
Flat out suck?....Your lack of football knowledge rarely suprises me anymore, but I am suprised at how little you know about basketball....
Lets see Van Horn ---sucks Glenn Robinson ---sucks Jerry Stackhouse ---OK sometimes, usually sucks Come on man...He never had a good big man (except Mutomobo, and that year they went to the finals) for a long period of time. Now that we have CWebb, we'll get to see what Iverson can do
So now its a good big man....it started as a good 2nd option and you changed it....Thats typical though of arguements with you guys....by the end of this thread the claim will be he never played with a 2nd option that averaged 50 pts or more a game....Ive posted the numbers for the players you think suck, most people can see how productive they are, of course, most people arent eagles fans and therefore not blind....
Dude, being a good player is not just about stats. Also, for the players you mentioned by the time they got here their best years were beheind then (Mutombo, Robinson and Van Horn). Jerry Stackhouse was traded, I dont know why he was traded, but I do know that AI did more in the NBA then Jerry ever did. Stop with this Eagles fans shit. I am not blind, just because someone disagrees with you doesnt make them blind, it makes you and BF1 arrogant biatches.
What a suprise, you went with the normal Eagles fan response....with the arguement hopelessly lost, you launch the personal attack....
I dont think my argument is lost, the point remains that besides Mutombo for one year (the same year they went to the finals) AI has never had a good 2nd options. All of the guys you mentioned are has beens, and a lot of them are never was to begin was. You lost the argument, so get over it.
My opinion on this matter is this: If Iverson passed the ball years before some of these players wouldnt be "has-beens"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>it makes you and BF1 arrogant biatches.</div> I am asking you nicely, i realize that we dont see eye to eye on anything. I think you do this on purpose and that is fine. However, let us refrain from profane insults of each other and fellow members. It is a violation of the code of conduct and is not good for the forums.
HAHAha...You attack me by telling me that I have no knowledge in football and bball, and then I jokingly call you a biatch and you get all offended. Man, I can see why you like Van Horn so much, you are just like him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Man, I can see why you like Van Horn so much, you are just like him.</div> Thank you, that is a much better way to insult me(I guess?) it is not profane and is kind of within the code of conduct.
you are going to tell me that on the sixers team there are only 3 decent player you have got to be kidding me. You need to look at that team one more time because apparently your eyes were closed when you were looking at this lineup.<--------- Directed torwards BF1 PS: Watch out eagles4life you dont want to make him cry. And have his mom come on thr forum and post a topic yelling at you for hurting her daughters i mean sons feelings. LOL J/K
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (T.Oforphil81)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think Kings got the better deal, all three players they got were solid, they have so much depth, more defense, and are in a prime position to win the west. Philly is a 3 player team now, and the way iverson jacks up shots like there is no one else on the court, I dont think he and webber could co-exist.</div> Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA -- Worthless 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova --- worthess 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall -- average 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming --- worthless 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit --- below average 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona --- Good 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown --- People would want(dont know why) 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple --- Average 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton --- Specialist, just 3 point shooter 24 Jamal Mashburn SF 6-8 247 Nov. 29, 1972 Kentucky --- never going to play 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple --- not the same player he was 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut --- poor 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest --- average 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami --- worthless 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan ---- very good Hey Bearsfan if you can count how many peoople are on that list is it just 3.</div> I see 3 people on this list someone might want on thier team.</div> Lets see, In BarberShop you say that Iverson has all these good players around him and that he is holding the team down. Now you write that the Sixers are a 3 man team. Contradictions all over the place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (T.Oforphil81)</div><div class='quotemain'> Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA -- Worthless 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova --- worthess 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall -- average 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming --- worthless 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit --- below average 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona --- Good 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown --- People would want(dont know why) 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple --- Average 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton --- Specialist, just 3 point shooter 24 Jamal Mashburn SF 6-8 247 Nov. 29, 1972 Kentucky --- never going to play 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple --- not the same player he was 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut --- poor 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest --- average 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami --- worthless 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan ---- very good Hey Bearsfan if you can count how many peoople are on that list is it just 3.</div> I see 3 people on this list someone might want on thier team.</div> Lets see, In BarberShop you say that Iverson has all these good players around him and that he is holding the team down. Now you write that the Sixers are a 3 man team. Contradictions all over the place.</div> I would like to see where i said he has good players all around him on other forum
right here (from NBA MVP) "Eagles4Life wrote: Mike wrote: Well if you are going to judge by value, you have to eliminate AI right off the bat, if he was valuable his team would have a better record. HAHAHA, when AI doesnt play this year the Sixers are 1-4 and with him that are 26-25. You seem to like to out all the blame on one player, and also all the credit to one player. You seemed to love Manning as an MVP, considering he had All-pro's on offense all around him, and his team couldn't even get a bye. And then when it comes to Iverson, all the blame goes on his shoulders. Pick a side and stick with it. I think there is a ton of talent around iverson all season and he is bringing them down, i refuse to judge thier record over 5 games, compared to 51 to determine how valuable he is. Regardless, his stats dont hold up to Lebron's."
BF1 said there were 3 good players around him....in the NBA if 4/5ths of you starters are good, you are a legit title contender, unless the teams star is selfish, then you will struggle....who does that remind me of? the answer is the answer....
Production rating - what i gave earlier Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA -- Worthless 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova --- worthess 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall -- average 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming --- worthless 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit --- below average 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona --- Good 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown --- People would want(dont know why) 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple --- Average 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton --- Specialist, just 3 point shooter 24 Jamal Mashburn SF 6-8 247 Nov. 29, 1972 Kentucky --- never going to play 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple --- not the same player he was 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut --- poor 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest --- average 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami --- worthless 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan ---- very good Talent Level Matt Barnes SF 6-7 235 Mar. 9, 1980 UCLA -- Worthless 98 Michael Bradley PF 6-10 245 Apr. 18, 1979 Villanova --- worthess 1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 May 10, 1981 Seton Hall -- above average 23 Josh Davis PF 6-8 240 Aug. 10, 1980 Wyoming --- worthless 33 Willie Green SG 6-4 200 Jul. 28, 1981 Detroit --- average 4 Andre Iguodala GF 6-6 207 Jan. 28, 1984 Arizona --- Very Good 3 Allen Iverson PG 6-0 165 Jun. 7, 1975 Georgetown --- Very Talented(dont know why) 25 Marc Jackson FC 6-10 253 Jan. 16, 1975 Temple --- Above Average 26 Kyle Korver SF 6-7 210 Mar. 17, 1981 Creighton --- Great shooter, too bad Iverson is shooting 3's instead of him. 8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 Oct. 2, 1972 Temple --- not the same player he was 12 Kevin Ollie PG 6-2 195 Dec. 27, 1972 Connecticut --- Average 54 Rodney Rogers F 6-7 255 Jun. 20, 1971 Wake Forest --- above average 7 John Salmons GF 6-7 210 Dec. 12, 1979 Miami --- poor 99 Chris Webber PF 6-10 245 Mar. 1, 1973 Michigan ---- very good
