Is it just me or is Carter a steady superstar in the fourth quarter of every game. HEs been doing it in the fourth since he came in to the league. He always demands the ball in the fourth which is a good thing. Hes got many game winners, and only a few times he let his team down in aclose one. The only thing is he should drive more to the net and score more in other quarters. Too many critics are knocking on him because they think he is afraid of contact. Wit the raps running game, Vince will only get more in shape which means more dunks, more driving in, more freethrows, more points. And the way he is clicking with his team, more wins. With a crunch time carter, and overall team chemistry Sam Mitchell should be looking for 50 wins.
You can't predict 50 win seasons based on just 3 games because they will eventually skid some losses. Plus you have to factor that these are all home games, the road is where the Raptors will really need to step it up. I find it funny that all these people mention Kobe etc etc as clutch players and rarely mention Carter. He has proved over and over again that he is one of THE clutchest players in the league. But, once again, if the American public doesn't see it on thier TV screens then there's no way he gets recognized for it.
Ur right about the home We'll see how many points the opponent, and the raps score on the road, for a fair prediction
i dunno...that game last year against atlanta, when he had that sick 3 pt play (the hard way) on that nutso reverse lay up on ratliff...then had the huge swat on terry's floater, recovered the ball himself, then hit that jump shot...that was an ILL ass display of crunch time clutch play vince is deffo a clutch player. he's proved it plenty of times. but since its almost trendy to hate on him because of his injured years, people dont give him any props
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting arhieboy:</div><div class="quote_post">Hes still clutch, his best clutch play was proly against houston when he dunked it at the buzzer.</div> dont forget about the buzzer beaters against the clippers and the celtics, and the amazing thing is that he did those all in the same week. edit: well not same week but in a span of like 10 games or something.
Yea Vince is most def clutch...Last year he was big against the hornets, pistons and hawks most notably...He also made great plays last year in the clutch, like his nice pass to Marshall in Utah, Bosh's lay in versus the Wiz early last year at home was created by Vince himself...The guy's clutch, hopefully the league and everyone will notice this when the Raps can win on a consistant basis.
Yah man the hornets, i remember that game in the back of my head, first he brought em back, then tied it for the three, in overtime, he took over. Amazing
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Vince is most def clutch...Last year he was big against the hornets, pistons and hawks most notably...He also made great plays last year in the clutch, like his nice pass to Marshall in Utah, Bosh's lay in versus the Wiz early last year at home was created by Vince himself...The guy's clutch, hopefully the league and everyone will notice this when the Raps can win on a consistant basis.</div> and the drive and dish to mo pete who hit that 3ball to win the game in golden state. that was the same game where we held them scoreless or 1 pt or whatever it was in the 4th quarter. nother great dish that was anyways
yes i agree vince is clutch, but todays 3 was..kinda dumb...they were tied u would think he would of driven it to the rim instead of taken a fade a way 3
well, he said he felt confident he could take that shot coz he practices that a lot around here. that's what he said anyways... the good thing he has the heart to go strong every end game..It seems as if he usually reserves himself for that late 3rd & mid-4th quarter scoring spree...
Okay, enough with the discussion about the trey in that game versus the Blazers. Yes, he had other options like driving to the basket for a deuce, but his shot <u>went in</u> clean and square and put the Raptors up by 3. IMO if the Raps led by 2 instead of 3 and still with 4.7 seconds left on the game clock, the Blazers would have tied it because they wouldn't have had to force a trey.. and who knows they might have got a 3 point play out of it and won the game.. Vince nailed the shot, I went nuts, Raptors won, period. End of discussion.
Vince was mentioned as one of the top clutch guys couple years back. Kobe, Iverson, McGrady and Vince were the premeire players of the NBA (SG showmen wise.) Once Vince got injured, all the critics just said "Oh he lost it. Anyway lets look at Lebron....". When Vince hit that shot, all I could think about was Vince proving all the doubters wrong. Only a superstar could hit that shot. And Vince Carter will return to superstar status this year.
The reason that Kobe has more clutch wins than vc is because all the teams are always triple teaming shaq qwhich leaves kobe open for the shot. Vince, pierce, Iverson and marbury are the real clutch players who get the shot regardless of the double and triple teams on them. Also, Kobe knows that if he misses, shaq has everything under control and he can get the rebound and get the shot and there is less pressure on him than there is on other players.
yes right if they had lead by 2 they coulda gotten the 3 point play...but what if he missed? then they could of had 4.7 sec to take ne shot to win...i know he can make that shot, but a fade away 3 isn't a high percentage shot and certainly isn't the shot to take to try and close out a game with such little time left
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InVincible15:</div><div class="quote_post">The reason that Kobe has more clutch wins than vc is because all the teams are always triple teaming shaq qwhich leaves kobe open for the shot. Vince, pierce, Iverson and marbury are the real clutch players who get the shot regardless of the double and triple teams on them. Also, Kobe knows that if he misses, shaq has everything under control and he can get the rebound and get the shot and there is less pressure on him than there is on other players.</div> Thats not entirely true. If there's 5 seconds left in the game or around there, and the lakers are coming up court, or out of the time out, everyone knows the ball is going to Kobe. If the ball goes to Shaq, he's a) gonna be foul or put up a difficult shot because it's hard to put up a clean, organized shot with limited time.
Sorry Vinkanaddy, I didn't want to bring up the discussion about the Carter's trey against Portland, but this is in regards to the topic of the thread. I read a quote from Carter after the game in Portland that made me question whether or not he's capable of making good clutch decisions. He's speaking about his fourth quarter 3 pointer here:<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I just stepped back and said, `Hey, either you do or die,' and fortunately it went in," Carter said. "<u>I figured if I'd missed it, he (Mitchell) would say, `Hey, you could have had a better shot,' but it still would have been a tie game</u>."</div>Link So not only was he aware that it was not the right shot to make, but he also shrugged off the importance of making the right play in those dying seconds in the fourth. He figured that had he missed (which would've been very likely), then there's nothing to worry about because it would still be a tie game. When in all probability, Portland would've got the rebound, called a timeout and got a shot off to win the game. This goes to show that he isn't the greatest of decision makers when it comes down to crunch-time. But in the previous games so far this season, he did make some great clutch plays. Like the dish to Woods for his slam against Houston and his bucket that he earned when driving into the lane and challenging Ben Wallace when they faced Detroit. Carter's trey against the Blazers may go down as one of his greatest clutch plays, but I'd prefer to see some of his less glorified plays down the stretch instead.
oh no don't be sorry, I get your point loud and clear. It made me nervous too when he took the shot but what I tried to say was the shot went in and they won so let's not worry about something that's already happened. Vince also said he saw Theo Ratliff moving to the left side of the box in anticipation of Carter driving to the lane and that's why he decided to take the jumper instead of driving in and risking turning the ball over. The way he told the reporter about how it was "fortunate" the shot went in, I think it is just the way Carter is as a person... he's not cocky like Allen Iverson who would've said "Why do you even ask that question? You knew the shot would've went in, I'm AI for god's sakes" Well, all in all they won the game and until he misses a shot like that in another game, I'm going to be a believer.
I agree that Carter is somewhat of a clutch player. He is one of the best in the league at making the last "Jump shot" so to speak. But when will he become smart and figure a way to get to the hoop late in games? You can live and die on shots but when you drive to the hoop you are giving yourself and your team more opportunity to score. What makes Kobe, Pierce etc.. all great clutch players is the fact that they do what it takes for their team to win. Down by 2? Drive to the basket and draw a foul. Down by 3? Take the 3 point shot. Tied? Drive to the basket and draw contact or dish it off to the open player when they double. This is the basics when it comes to playing the game intelligently. It's the in-game intelligence that seperates Kobe, Pierce and company from Carter. I said it before and I'll say it again, "Vince Carter is the most talented dumb player in the league".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that Carter is somewhat of a clutch player. He is one of the best in the league at making the last "Jump shot" so to speak. But when will he become smart and figure a way to get to the hoop late in games? You can live and die on shots but when you drive to the hoop you are giving yourself and your team more opportunity to score. What makes Kobe, Pierce etc.. all great clutch players is the fact that they do what it takes for their team to win. Down by 2? Drive to the basket and draw a foul. Down by 3? Take the 3 point shot. Tied? Drive to the basket and draw contact or dish it off to the open player when they double. This is the basics when it comes to playing the game intelligently. It's the in-game intelligence that seperates Kobe, Pierce and company from Carter. I said it before and I'll say it again, "Vince Carter is the most talented dumb player in the league".</div> Well remember last year in ATL...The Raps were down 3 with around 12 seconds? or so on the shot clock, and everyone was expecting a 3 pointer by Carter or a open player, instead, he took it to the basket, seeing he could get a 3 point play oppurtunity, and got 3 points. However, I get what you're saying. Vince has to be more smarter with his decision making.
