Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you guys realize that manu is Tim Duncans Side Kick he will never be more than a role player will never be the go to guy and will allways be in the shadow of superstars just like Kobe. Face It</div>

I had this year sometime last year, in the month of November where a Duncanless team lead by Manu Ginobili took a Lakers team lead by Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton to double overtime and barely lost by 3.

Anyone else have that dream?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimManuParker:</div><div class="quote_post">I had this year sometime last year, in the month of November where a Duncanless team lead by Manu Ginobili took a Lakers team lead by Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton to double overtime and barely lost by 3.

Anyone else have that dream?</div>

It wasnt a dream but i remember us winning whats youre point?

 

Well, I predicted Manu would be an allstar, or atleast put him allstar numbers this year. He's just a great player. I'd much rather have Manu on my team over Kobe. Kobe ruins the chemistry of a team, the off court issues, team arguments, forced shots.

Did you see him couple games ago? I think he got 4 air balls, 2 in a row? He was just launching them up in the air when he had open teammate, I would never want to be on Kobe's team honestly.

 

Manu is a team player and he has a super star on his team, but I don't think that kobe would dominate the olympics like manu did.(he did not go anyways) With out Manu on the Argentina team they would not have on the gold.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you guys realize that manu is Tim Duncans Side Kick he will never be more than a role player will never be the go to guy and will allways be in the shadow of superstars just like Kobe. Face It</div>


Was Tim his sidekick when Manu won his gold metal?
and was Tim on his team in Europe when he won a Championship and
was the MVP of Europe.

It's not who is better but who makes your team mates better.

Like Jordan made everyone on his team better and that's Manu

Don't forget to be thenextjordan you have win no matter where you go

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimManuParker:</div><div class="quote_post">I had this year sometime last year, in the month of November where a Duncanless team lead by Manu Ginobili took a Lakers team lead by Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton to double overtime and barely lost by 3.

Anyone else have that dream?</div>


Wow what a coinscience I had that same exact dream, except in my dream the spurs where also Tony Parkerless and in that dream I saw Manu make Kobe look silly by passing the ball in between the legs of Kobe for a assist. Kobe has a chance to win on his own lets see if he does it. This arguement can be made on both sides and well be an easier arguement at the end of this season.

 

Ah come on this thread is ridiculous... this thread starter is either: a biased Manu fan or a psychotic Kobe hater that he is willing to say anyone is better than Kobe, including Steve Smith. Don't get me wrong, I think Ginobili is a great player but he would never reach the greatness of Kobe Bryant... you could make a case that he is a better team player than Kobe but saying that he is a better player almost makes me throw up.

True, Manu can get hot as evidenced when he burned the Lakers for sth like 33 pts last year and they nearly won the game without Duncan. But he is not the kind of player that your coach will put the ball in his hands when the game is on the line consistently. At least, not on the Spurs while they have Tim Duncan. Maybe he could be a first option on another team, but I doubt that skinny frame would be able to bear the constant beating from the big men, he is better suited as a sidekick, something that Kobe had been (to Shaq) before this year. Kobe, 8 games into the season, is proving that he can be the go-to-guy on a consistent basis. Can Manu do this? I don't think his selfless ego would allow him to do this... he's better off playing off teammates... he may be a better teammate than Kobe Bryant, but he can never ever be a better player than Kobe. Not unless he would start by erasing that selfless ego first. Yeah, be selfish Manu... to be better than Kobe you gotta be more selfish, take more shots! Would the Spur fans and the NBA world kill him (like they have been trying to kill Kobe) if he were to be more selfish? Some, absolutely. But, would Manu stand strong to his belief (like Kobe has been) even if his fans are criticising him for being too selfish? Unlikely. May be a better teammate, never maybe a better player than Kobe.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Spurs build the team around Ginobili we would see how good he could really be.
That would be great</div>

lol WHY WOULD YOU BUILD A TEAM AROUND GINOBILI WHEN YOU HAVE DUNCAN! you cant be older than 12. in a stretched out league with 30 teams hes only a micheal cooper type player. and before all of this team expansion he wouldnt even be that.

 

well he was obviously good enough to bend the us national team over and rape them, go figure.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimmyGinobili:</div><div class="quote_post">well he was obviously good enough to bend the us national team over and rape them, go figure.</div>


Relax dude. LOL! the topic is ginobili being better than kobe if you think he can carry a team to the finals your crazy. kobe cant even do that. And if you think the U.S. national team was was a true representation of Americas best your crazy. Like i said it would be foolish to build a team around a micheal cooper type player. You must be young too because you seemed to be offened by that comment. If you knew anything about the last 20 years in the NBA you'd know that cooper had game, and that the comment isnt an insult its just the truth. The guy has game but not that much game.

ONE(love)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting michiganave17:</div><div class="quote_post">lol WHY WOULD YOU BUILD A TEAM AROUND GINOBILI WHEN YOU HAVE DUNCAN! you cant be older than 12. in a stretched out league with 30 teams hes only a micheal cooper type player. and before all of this team expansion he wouldnt even be that.</div>



But you missed the point.

I know that the Spurs have Tim.

Like I Said If you were going to build a team around Ginobili we would see how good he really is/was.

Look what he did to win the Gold medal or you can look at what he did in Europe to win a Championship there.
The Teams were built around Manu and you can see what he did.
He (Manu) is far superior when you look at his passing abilities and court vision.
but Kobe is a greater athlete

 

No, it was because the argentinans have a deep understanding of the international game and their team chemistry was incredible. please remember manu is more fitted to play in the international rules. in the NBA, the style of play is different, and kobe has shown he is a elite superstar in the nba, while manu has shown only to be a good player. regarding who is the better passer, they are both around the same level, but kobe plays better defence and has way better offensive skills. and this coming not from a manu or kobe fan , but a kg one.

 

I want to see Manu and Kobe one on one. then we'll talk.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Let lebron reach the playoffs then we can put him and Kobe in the same breath ok.</div>

Rookie season

Kobe: 7.6 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.3 APG
Lebron: 20.9 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.9 APG

Could a rookie Kobe have led the 03-04 Cavs to the playoffs?
Lebron could've made the playoffs in his rookie season if he was in Kobe's position as a rookie.

Lebron and the Cavs making the playoffs on a regular basis is just a matter of time.

 

Manu is a great player, he's fast and much less selfish than Kobe, Kobe and Manu are my current 2 favourite players.

 

He will never be next to Kobe for self explainitory reasons.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">Ah come on this thread is ridiculous... this thread starter is either: a biased Manu fan or a psychotic Kobe hater that he is willing to say anyone is better than Kobe, including Steve Smith. Don't get me wrong, I think Ginobili is a great player but he would never reach the greatness of Kobe Bryant... you could make a case that he is a better team player than Kobe but saying that he is a better player almost makes me throw up.

True, Manu can get hot as evidenced when he burned the Lakers for sth like 33 pts last year and they nearly won the game without Duncan. But he is not the kind of player that your coach will put the ball in his hands when the game is on the line consistently. At least, not on the Spurs while they have Tim Duncan. Maybe he could be a first option on another team, but I doubt that skinny frame would be able to bear the constant beating from the big men, he is better suited as a sidekick, something that Kobe had been (to Shaq) before this year. Kobe, 8 games into the season, is proving that he can be the go-to-guy on a consistent basis. Can Manu do this? I don't think his selfless ego would allow him to do this... he's better off playing off teammates... he may be a better teammate than Kobe Bryant, but he can never ever be a better player than Kobe. Not unless he would start by erasing that selfless ego first. Yeah, be selfish Manu... to be better than Kobe you gotta be more selfish, take more shots! Would the Spur fans and the NBA world kill him (like they have been trying to kill Kobe) if he were to be more selfish? Some, absolutely. But, would Manu stand strong to his belief (like Kobe has been) even if his fans are criticising him for being too selfish? Unlikely. May be a better teammate, never maybe a better player than Kobe.</div>


No your wronge this is a good thread because it brings out points that
Lakers fans dont see look at SA they are a well organized team WHY?
because they have guys on thier team that dont care if they score 20 or 30
a game even if they sit on the bench the whole game (Horry,Brown,Rose) as
long as they come up with the W.
Ginobili brings more out of his team than Kobe does he shows Leadership which i think is the only thing Kobe shows now that Shaqs gone.He also hussle's Kobe will not pass unless he is getting an AST or hussle back down court unless he is getting a STL.
Kobe useless with out Shaq because now that Shaq is gone nobodys there
to try and stop one with out the other.They are going to focus on him the
whole game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stockton:</div><div class="quote_post">Rookie season

Kobe: 7.6 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.3 APG
Lebron: 20.9 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.9 APG

Could a rookie Kobe have led the 03-04 Cavs to the playoffs?
Lebron could've made the playoffs in his rookie season if he was in Kobe's position as a rookie.

Lebron and the Cavs making the playoffs on a regular basis is just a matter of time.</div>

i dont know but Kobe only played 15.5 mpg that year and lebron played 39.5. So theoretically kobe would have put up similar numbers his rookie year if he played 40 mins a game too. the difference is hype they are both talented players.its just that players like kobe kg and jermaine paved the way for james, so he was allotted more tic.

ONE(love)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">No your wronge this is a good thread because it brings out points that
Lakers fans dont see look at SA they are a well organized team WHY?
because they have guys on thier team that dont care if they score 20 or 30
a game even if they sit on the bench the whole game (Horry,Brown,Rose) as
long as they come up with the W.</div>

What has this thread topic of "Manu is going to be better than Kobe" has gotta do with your analysis of "SA being a well organized team"... what is your point? Are you saying that for this reason Manu can't be the man even if he wants to? Well, too bad for him and his fans who say that he's going to be better than Kobe. But understand that I, as a Kobe fan, am not offended by that <u>opinion</u> at all... because who knows... maybe he's going to really be better than Kobe but Manu needs to prove it first before you all Manu fans are writing around and making it seem like a "fact" not an "opinion". If being in SA prevents him from proving this, then too bad you know... why don't you all Manu fans wish him to ask for a trade from the Spurs so that he can become a man somewhere else (Bobcats!)? Because you never really know if it might truly happen, and that saying of "be careful of what you wish for" is sometimes really true.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Ginobili brings more out of his team than Kobe does he shows Leadership which i think is the only thing Kobe shows now that Shaqs gone.He also hussle's Kobe will not pass unless he is getting an AST or hussle back down court unless he is getting a STL.</div>

It is your opinion to say that and I listened to it... well let's hear my opinion right: Kobe brings more out of his team than Manu does he shows leadership by calling them one by one prior to the training camp, taking care of the media after each game for his teammates and his team performance, taking blame for team loss and share success with teammates after each W.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe useless with out Shaq because now that Shaq is gone nobodys there
to try and stop one with out the other.They are going to focus on him the
whole game.</div>

How can he be useless? Please tell me because I'm getting confused. Imagine this, when there used to be two weapons (Shaq and Kobe) and now there is only one weapon left (Kobe) what do you exactly think of that weapon for you? Useless? No ! <u>You use it more than ever !</u>, your life depends on it... lol and so do the Lakers depend on Kobe to win each game for them. What are you trying to say by "they are going to focus on him the whole game"? Stop him? No ! First in scoring in the L, at least by far, with 28.3 ppg... However, true being the focus target of defense every game has affected his shooting as he shoots a career low 38 percent from the field... but I think that percentage is going to rise because these first few games are exactly what Kobe needed to adjust to being the primary weapon. He's still learning to be the first option, folks... this is really the first time for Kobe to be that, he's just got it and <u>mark my words</u>, if Kobe's shooting percentage doesn't rise to 40% or more by December 1st (after Milwaukee game on 30th Nov), I will sport a signature "Manu is better than Kobe" in BIG caption for 30 days or one of you graphic designer who happens to be a Manu nut can make me that signature (and please include the URL address cuz I don't have one) for me and I will sport it for 30 days. It's a deal, you don't lose nothing.