Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What has this thread topic of "Manu is going to be better than Kobe" has gotta do with your analysis of "SA being a well organized team"... what is your point? Are you saying that for this reason Manu can't be the man even if he wants to? Well, too bad for him and his fans who say that he's going to be better than Kobe. But understand that I, as a Kobe fan, am not offended by that opinion at all... because who knows... maybe he's going to really be better than Kobe but Manu needs to prove it first before you all Manu fans are writing around and making it seem like a "fact" not an "opinion". If being in SA prevents him from proving this, then too bad you know... why don't you all Manu fans wish him to ask for a trade from the Spurs so that he can become a man somewhere else (Bobcats!)? Because you never really know if it might truly happen, and that saying of "be careful of what you wish for" is sometimes really true. </div>


Hey look what happen to Kobe it's like he is with the Bobcats now.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It is your opinion to say that and I listened to it... well let's hear my opinion right: Kobe brings more out of his team than Manu does he shows leadership by calling them one by one prior to the training camp, taking care of the media after each game for his teammates and his team performance, taking blame for team loss and share success with teammates after each W.</div>

Leadership is not who you call out.
Leadership is what you do on the court.

 

^ Oneinpower, well the Lakers are not as bad as the Bobcats? What do you mean? He's the first option in L.A. which is perfectly fine.

So, to you leadership is what you do on the court. So, basically you're implying that Manu does more than Kobe does on the court while he is not the first option on the team? If you are going to say yes he does more than Kobe does on the court while being the second option to Tim Duncan... while Kobe IS the first option on his team, then you're generally talking about how Manu is a better team player than Kobe. Dump the ball inside to Duncan, feed off his plays, but I have a question: does Manu actually create shots for his teammates? Well I think no ! Well, sometimes, but that's Duncan's job being double teamed and all. And of course, your floor general Tony Parker does that, but Manu just gets the ball and shoots... or passes if there's an open man. But, he doesn't exactly create the offense to set up for his own shot or create for his teammates, like Kobe basically does now. Tell me what Manu does that Kobe doesn't. Statitiscally, Manu is having a breakout year, but Kobe's numbers still beat whatever Manu's breakout numbers are... it's the fact.

 

No, I hope he does get better than him but Kobe is to good for Ginobili.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting michiganave17:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont know but Kobe only played 15.5 mpg that year and lebron played 39.5. So theoretically kobe would have put up similar numbers his rookie year if he played 40 mins a game too. the difference is hype they are both talented players.its just that players like kobe kg and jermaine paved the way for james, so he was allotted more tic.

ONE(love)</div>

Yeah thats all true. The point I was trying to get across was that Kobe and LeBron's rookie seasons were very different situations and it's a bit unfair for whatever poster it was to talk about Lebron not making the playoffs and Kobe making them because of that reason.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">What has this thread topic of "Manu is going to be better than Kobe" has gotta do with your analysis of "SA being a well organized team"... what is your point? Are you saying that for this reason Manu can't be the man even if he wants to? Well, too bad for him and his fans who say that he's going to be better than Kobe. But understand that I, as a Kobe fan, am not offended by that <u>opinion</u> at all... because who knows... maybe he's going to really be better than Kobe but Manu needs to prove it first before you all Manu fans are writing around and making it seem like a "fact" not an "opinion". If being in SA prevents him from proving this, then too bad you know... why don't you all Manu fans wish him to ask for a trade from the Spurs so that he can become a man somewhere else (Bobcats!)? Because you never really know if it might truly happen, and that saying of "be careful of what you wish for" is sometimes really true.




It is your opinion to say that and I listened to it... well let's hear my opinion right: Kobe brings more out of his team than Manu does he shows leadership by calling them one by one prior to the training camp, taking care of the media after each game for his teammates and his team performance, taking blame for team loss and share success with teammates after each W.




How can he be useless? Please tell me because I'm getting confused. Imagine this, when there used to be two weapons (Shaq and Kobe) and now there is only one weapon left (Kobe) what do you exactly think of that weapon for you? Useless? No ! <u>You use it more than ever !</u>, your life depends on it... lol and so do the Lakers depend on Kobe to win each game for them. What are you trying to say by "they are going to focus on him the whole game"? Stop him? No ! First in scoring in the L, at least by far, with 28.3 ppg... However, true being the focus target of defense every game has affected his shooting as he shoots a career low 38 percent from the field... but I think that percentage is going to rise because these first few games are exactly what Kobe needed to adjust to being the primary weapon. He's still learning to be the first option, folks... this is really the first time for Kobe to be that, he's just got it and <u>mark my words</u>, if Kobe's shooting percentage doesn't rise to 40% or more by December 1st (after Milwaukee game on 30th Nov), I will sport a signature "Manu is better than Kobe" in BIG caption for 30 days or one of you graphic designer who happens to be a Manu nut can make me that signature (and please include the URL address cuz I don't have one) for me and I will sport it for 30 days. It's a deal, you don't lose nothing.</div>



All your talking for what?
You cant prove nothing by answering my answers
all your doing is bringing up points that dont matter,
The point of this THREAD is that eventually Kobe is going to fade
out of that Superstar picture and Ginobili is going to take that spot.
Weither you think its an opinion or not.
All the TRUE Spurs fan in here that watches every game knows that Ginobili
is a better player than KOBE and you cant argue with me because you dont see what he does every night for the Spurs and his fans,
and if you try to say i dont watch the LAKERS than your FULL OF SH*T
because TNT,ESPN practically shows every damn game of the Lakers so
yeah i know Kobes game.
THATS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Oneinpower, well the Lakers are not as bad as the Bobcats? What do you mean? He's the first option in L.A. which is perfectly fine.

So, to you leadership is what you do on the court. So, basically you're implying that Manu does more than Kobe does on the court while he is not the first option on the team? If you are going to say yes he does more than Kobe does on the court while being the second option to Tim Duncan... while Kobe IS the first option on his team, then you're generally talking about how Manu is a better team player than Kobe. Dump the ball inside to Duncan, feed off his plays, but I have a question: does Manu actually create shots for his teammates? Well I think no ! Well, sometimes, but that's Duncan's job being double teamed and all. And of course, your floor general Tony Parker does that, but Manu just gets the ball and shoots... or passes if there's an open man. But, he doesn't exactly create the offense to set up for his own shot or create for his teammates, like Kobe basically does now. Tell me what Manu does that Kobe doesn't. Statitiscally, Manu is having a breakout year, but Kobe's numbers still beat whatever Manu's breakout numbers are... it's the fact.</div>


Hey you missed my point.
I was repling to someones opinion
this guy said

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If being in SA prevents him from proving this, then too bad you know... why don't you all Manu fans wish him to ask for a trade from the Spurs so that he can become a man somewhere else (Bobcats!)? Because you never really know if it might truly happen, and that saying of "be careful of what you wish for" is sometimes really true.
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but lets talk about what you said
Manu has done it everywhere he has gone/been

This is what I have been saying from my last replys
This guy(manu) has won a gold medal without Tim and
has won a Championship in Europe without Tim too.
not only that where in the world are you from LALA land or what

what do you mean when you say . "Dump the ball inside to Duncan, feed off his plays, but I have a question: does Manu actually create shots for his teammates? Well I think no "

don't tell me that Kobe didn't do that for five to six years with Shaq come on that crazy of course that happen
but you are missing the point is Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe
yes and no
or no and yes
what do you want someone to go one on one
or someone to make your team better and win where ever you go?
I love them both
but I want a Championship.

 

I agree with Oneinpower

One,
I agree with you completely. If you look at the success of Manu Ginobili and his career he dominated the European League and also WON THE OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL. He already has an NBA Championship and may be on the road to a second ring.

PupMelo,
As far as your comment inregards to Manu Ginobili and his lack of play creating I think that was an igorant comment. I'd advise you to watch the Spurs offense and take note of how crucial Manu is to running all offenses. His is not the catch and shoot persona that you make him to be. I think that comment was just wasted text space and an uneducated or unwarranted comment.

Ole Manu

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">All your talking for what?
You cant prove nothing by answering my answers
all your doing is bringing up points that dont matter,
The point of this THREAD is that eventually Kobe is going to fade
out of that Superstar picture and Ginobili is going to take that spot.
Weither you think its an opinion or not.
All the TRUE Spurs fan in here that watches every game knows that Ginobili
is a better player than KOBE and you cant argue with me because you dont see what he does every night for the Spurs and his fans,
and if you try to say i dont watch the LAKERS than your FULL OF SH*T
because TNT,ESPN practically shows every damn game of the Lakers so
yeah i know Kobes game.
THATS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD </div>

Ginobili is going to be a star no doubt about that but he won't take Kobe's spot plain and simple. Everything about Kobe's game is better than Ginobili. All the true Spur's fans with sense know good and well that Kobe is better than Ginobili. The fact Manu has put up good numbers doesn't mean he will be better than arguably the second best player in the league.
Ginobili better than Kobe

 

I am not saying Manu is better than Kobe but I think there are people here that are not very closed minded and not giving credit where it is rightfully due. I am a Kobe fan but first I am a Spurs fan. It's yet to be determined if Manu can ever be considered as good as Kobe.

It is not an unreal idea. It very well could possibly be.

But take note that they are even being compared in the same category and sentence very oftern now. This is being done for an obvious reason. You don't see many other guards being compared to Kobe.

Ole Manu

 

Manu being is an unreal idea. Kobe has been compared to Michael Jordan many times in his career. Kobe and Ginobili's game are very much far apart. Kobe Bryant is by far a better player and will always be a better player than Manu Ginobili.

 

Manu Ginobili is currently second in the league in efficiency per 48 minutes with a 40.00 efficiency rating.

1st is KG with 40.81, anyone that's not a PF/C being that close to KG is unreal.

As you can see the next players after that are Dirk, Duncan, Amare, the other amazing guard Wade [37.3], AI Jefferson, Gordan Giricek [shooting amazingly well], Boozer, Brad Miller, then Lebron James [32.87].

So Ginobili is definately tearing it up right now

 

Hey how come nobody said anything about the olympics. I never saw kobe dominate the olympics in his career.(even though he did not go) Manu played a key role in argentina and without him they Argentina would have never won the gold. Thats why he is better than kobe.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dirty D:</div><div class="quote_post"> Hey how come nobody said anything about the olympics. I never saw kobe dominate the olympics in his career.(even though he did not go) Manu played a key role in argentina and without him they Argentina would have never won the gold. Thats why he is better than kobe.</div>

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<font color="Red">Watch your language, read the guidelines.</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">MORON! </div>
No need for that, but Olympics are a totally different game from the NBA.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">All your talking for what?
You cant prove nothing by answering my answers
all your doing is bringing up points that dont matter,</div>

So a response to your comment doesn't matter? No wonder your comment is absolutely irrelevant of the thread's topic.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">The point of this THREAD is that eventually Kobe is going to fade
out of that Superstar picture and Ginobili is going to take that spot.
Weither you think its an opinion or not.</div>

Well, yes every superstar is going to fade at last even MJ did. But, if Kobe is to fade I assume Manu will probably fade at least at the same time too. To my acknowledgement he's older than Kobe so how can the younger player fade before the older one does unless Manu is John Stockton or Karl Malone, two of the most amazing fitness players in the history of the NBA, which he is not. Unless something real tragic happens to Kobe, like a serious or career-ending injury (God forbids) Manu is going to either fade first or fade at the same time Kobe does.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">All the TRUE Spurs fan in here that watches every game knows that Ginobili
is a better player than KOBE and you cant argue with me because you dont see what he does every night for the Spurs and his fans,
and if you try to say i dont watch the LAKERS than your FULL OF SH*T
because TNT,ESPN practically shows every damn game of the Lakers so
yeah i know Kobes game.
THATS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD </div>

I really admire your support of your favourite team players, I do. But when a discussion comes up with anyone whose favourite team(s) and player(s) are different than yours then you should put an effort to minimise your favourable bias towards your players otherwise the discussion is going nowhere and will just easily turn into juvenile stuff. But why can't I argue your point that Manu is not a better player than Kobe? At least I still said that MAYBE he's going to be a better player than Kobe. If him being on the Spurs will probably never make him better than Kobe then it's not my fault, nor yours, but you will just make yourself look stupider by your each post saying that he is a better player than Kobe without having reasonable evidence that backs up your BS theory.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey you missed my point.
I was repling to someones opinion
this guy said

I Quote
If being in SA prevents him from proving this, then too bad you know... why don't you all Manu fans wish him to ask for a trade from the Spurs so that he can become a man somewhere else (Bobcats!)? Because you never really know if it might truly happen, and that saying of "be careful of what you wish for" is sometimes really true.
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but lets talk about what you said
Manu has done it everywhere he has gone/been

This is what I have been saying from my last replys
This guy(manu) has won a gold medal without Tim and
has won a Championship in Europe without Tim too.
not only that where in the world are you from LALA land or what</div>

Manu can't own Kobe as far as the NBA is concerned so you went all the way to the Olympics, which Kobe has never participated...? How fair. Since you led me to the international basketball competition, forget about Kobe here if you will. I'm going to say that even in the Olympics Manu wasn't even the best player and here are my reasons:

1. There are many other Argentinian players that shone throughout the tournament, including Luis Scola, the player (I forgot his name) who had a family tragedy last year that claimed his mother and girlfriend... he had like 9 crucial points in less than 5 minutes that secured the win against the US. Manu was a very important piece of that gold-medal team, he certainly won without Tim Duncan but he didn't win the gold medal alone either. He was a very good team player... probably the best player on his team, but hardly the best player in the tournament because we still remember...

2. Sarunas Jasikevicius... if you talk about basketball game with international rules, you have to talk about him. He is arguably the best international player who doesn't play in the NBA and besides Timmy, he was IMO was the best player throughout the tournament.

3. Tim Duncan... according to Larry Brown prior to the start of the Olympic tournament "the best player in the world"... nuff said.

My point here is you cannot bring up the Olympic thing and say Manu is better than Kobe because he won the gold without Timmy. That's unfair because Kobe has not even played on any Olympic team. But since the Olympic discussion has been brought up, I discussed it a little further and I think Manu wasn't even the best player in the tournament.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">what do you mean when you say . "Dump the ball inside to Duncan, feed off his plays, but I have a question: does Manu actually create shots for his teammates? Well I think no "

don't tell me that Kobe didn't do that for five to six years with Shaq come on that crazy of course that happen
but you are missing the point is Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe
yes and no
or no and yes
what do you want someone to go one on one
or someone to make your team better and win where ever you go?
I love them both
but I want a Championship.</div>

I meant to say the Spurs O runs through Tim Duncan and not Manu Ginobili. He posts up down low, gets doubled, kicks it out to the guys waiting outside... they all play off Tim, including Manu. Of course, Kobe did that when Shaq was on the Lakers because Shaq was our first option, and the O ran through him.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GameTime:</div><div class="quote_post">PupMelo,
As far as your comment inregards to Manu Ginobili and his lack of play creating I think that was an igorant comment. I'd advise you to watch the Spurs offense and take note of how crucial Manu is to running all offenses. His is not the catch and shoot persona that you make him to be. I think that comment was just wasted text space and an uneducated or unwarranted comment.</div>

Well thanks for your advice... I meant to say that the O is run through Tim Duncan and not Manu. I created misunderstanding there sorry. And I didn't mean he's a catch-and-shoot type of player... we all can see what he can do with that dunk on two Lakers... but it still isn't enough to make him better than Kobe Bryant. :mrgreen:

 

I guess for now only time will tell what will be the outcome of these two. I will conclude with that Kobe is one of the most talented players in NBA history and can dynamically change the the outcome of anygame and any situation.

Manu is a growing and still developing international star. Provided he stays injury free I feel he has the potential to also be one of the most talkented player in the NBA.

Well see...

I am over this debate already...next topic.

Oh yeah...Spurs busted NY's A$$ Last night. It was a good game.

 

If only we could get this kind of disussion for the Spurs games, my job for this forum would be alot easier.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">If only we could get this kind of disussion for the Spurs games, my job for this forum would be alot easier.</div>

Hey thats what i'm here for

Just make another Thread saying TIM DUNCAN is better than
SHAQ or KG it'll work i promise :mrgreen:

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">So a response to your comment doesn't matter? No wonder your comment is absolutely irrelevant of the thread's topic.




Well, yes every superstar is going to fade at last even MJ did. But, if Kobe is to fade I assume Manu will probably fade at least at the same time too. To my acknowledgement he's older than Kobe so how can the younger player fade before the older one does unless Manu is John Stockton or Karl Malone, two of the most amazing fitness players in the history of the NBA, which he is not. Unless something real tragic happens to Kobe, like a serious or career-ending injury (God forbids) Manu is going to either fade first or fade at the same time Kobe does.




I really admire your support of your favourite team players, I do. But when a discussion comes up with anyone whose favourite team(s) and player(s) are different than yours then you should put an effort to minimise your favourable bias towards your players otherwise the discussion is going nowhere and will just easily turn into juvenile stuff. But why can't I argue your point that Manu is not a better player than Kobe? At least I still said that MAYBE he's going to be a better player than Kobe. If him being on the Spurs will probably never make him better than Kobe then it's not my fault, nor yours, but you will just make yourself look stupider by your each post saying that he is a better player than Kobe without having reasonable evidence that backs up your BS theory.





Manu can't own Kobe as far as the NBA is concerned so you went all the way to the Olympics, which Kobe has never participated...? How fair. Since you led me to the international basketball competition, forget about Kobe here if you will. I'm going to say that even in the Olympics Manu wasn't even the best player and here are my reasons:

1. There are many other Argentinian players that shone throughout the tournament, including Luis Scola, the player (I forgot his name) who had a family tragedy last year that claimed his mother and girlfriend... he had like 9 crucial points in less than 5 minutes that secured the win against the US. Manu was a very important piece of that gold-medal team, he certainly won without Tim Duncan but he didn't win the gold medal alone either. He was a very good team player... probably the best player on his team, but hardly the best player in the tournament because we still remember...

2. Sarunas Jasikevicius... if you talk about basketball game with international rules, you have to talk about him. He is arguably the best international player who doesn't play in the NBA and besides Timmy, he was IMO was the best player throughout the tournament.

3. Tim Duncan... according to Larry Brown prior to the start of the Olympic tournament "the best player in the world"... nuff said.

My point here is you cannot bring up the Olympic thing and say Manu is better than Kobe because he won the gold without Timmy. That's unfair because Kobe has not even played on any Olympic team. But since the Olympic discussion has been brought up, I discussed it a little further and I think Manu wasn't even the best player in the tournament.




I meant to say the Spurs O runs through Tim Duncan and not Manu Ginobili. He posts up down low, gets doubled, kicks it out to the guys waiting outside... they all play off Tim, including Manu. Of course, Kobe did that when Shaq was on the Lakers because Shaq was our first option, and the O ran through him.





Well thanks for your advice... I meant to say that the O is run through Tim Duncan and not Manu. I created misunderstanding there sorry. And I didn't mean he's a catch-and-shoot type of player... we all can see what he can do with that dunk on two Lakers... but it still isn't enough to make him better than Kobe Bryant. :mrgreen:</div>



Ok
maybe Ginobili isnt better NOW
but like and lilke i said before Ginobili IS going to be
better ALL AROUND PLAYER than Kobe will be.
Kobe was good with Shaq and is nothing without him.
He need someones shoulder to lean back on.
Ginobili proved to the USA team that he can beat Duncan
and SOME of the best in the NBA.
Now if you want to argue with that than go ahead.
But i advise you to read this reply at least two maybe three times
before you go back and repeat the same things that
was said in your 1st reply.

 

The easiest way to determine which player is better is by seeing who would get a bigger contract if they were both free agents. Don't kid yourself, if the Spurs had the chance to they would trade Ginobli for Kobe as quick as possible.
However, I think Kobe hasn't proven that he can play within a team as well as Ginobli. If you switch their situations, I think Ginobli would be able to lead the Lakers to the same amount of wins. But I don't think Kobe would be able to function as well within the Spurs.