Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe

This thread is so stupid and all you Spurs fans just wish this will come true.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">The easiest way to determine which player is better is by seeing who would get a bigger contract if they were both free agents. Don't kid yourself, if the Spurs had the chance to they would trade Ginobli for Kobe as quick as possible.
However, I think Kobe hasn't proven that he can play within a team as well as Ginobli. If you switch their situations, I think Ginobli would be able to lead the Lakers to the same amount of wins. But I don't think Kobe would be able to function as well within the Spurs.</div>



What are you talking about
contracts

1) Kevin Garnett, Minnesota $28,000,000
2) Shaquille O'Neal, LA Lakers $26,500,000
3) Rasheed Wallace, Detroit $16,990,000
4) Allan Houston, New York $15,937,500
5) Chris Webber, Sacramento $15,937,500
6) Damon Stoudamire, Portland $14,375,000
7) Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Atlanta $13,500,000
8) Ray Allen, Seattle $13,500,000
9) Vin Baker, Boston (disputed) $13,500,000
10) Penny Hardaway, New York $13,500,000
11) Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland $13,500,000
12) Allen Iverson, Philadelphia $13,500,000
13) Stephon Marbury, New York $13,500,000
14) Antonio McDyess, Phoenix $13,500,000
15) Latrell Sprewell, Minnesota $13,500,000
16) Antoine Walker, Dallas $13,500,000
17) Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers $13,498,000
18) Michael Finley, Dallas $13,281,250
19) Tracy McGrady, Orlando $13,279,500
20) Jalen Rose, Toronto $13,279,500
21) Grant Hill, Orlando $13,279,250
22) Keith Van Horn, New York $13,279,000
23) Jason Kidd, New Jersey $13,152,000
24) Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana $13,140,000
25) Tim Duncan, San Antonio $12,676,125


Tim Duncan is worth more then most of these player

This is about if Kobe is Better then Manu.
like I have said before it depend on what you want

if you want someone to go one on one then get Kobe he is the best
or someone to make your team better and win where ever you go?
then get Manu.
but I want a Championship.
I do love Kobes game but he has to prove that he can win a Championship no matter where he plays at.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MagicFan3:</div><div class="quote_post">

This thread is so stupid and all you Spurs fans just wish this will come true.</div>


If this is so Stupid then why did you post something.



to bad for Boston Fri 19 @ Boston 6:30pm

Spur 103 Boston 71

 

Hey I didn't mean to get you angry man. I was just expressing my feeling for the comparison between one of the games best players and a guy who was on the bench last year. There is no comparison if you ask me.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok
maybe Ginobili isnt better NOW
but like and lilke i said before Ginobili IS going to be
better ALL AROUND PLAYER than Kobe will be.</div>

And I think if you train an iguana basketball drills, it is going to be a better player than Gino will be. Hey I have lots of theories without in-depth analysis too, not only you... you want some more? How about Barbie doll? And since when did you start mentioning "ALL AROUND PLAYER"? Anyway, Kobe is arguably the best all around player, light years ahead of Manu.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe was good with Shaq and is nothing without him.
He need someones shoulder to lean back on.
Ginobili proved to the USA team that he can beat Duncan
and SOME of the best in the NBA.
Now if you want to argue with that than go ahead.
But i advise you to read this reply at least two maybe three times
before you go back and repeat the same things that
was said in your 1st reply.</div>

Yeah, again you said sth without saying why you said it. Okay I'm going to say that Gino is nothing without Timmy. He needs Timmy's shoulders to cry on. You like it? :thumbsup: You can't bring up that Olympic stuff because like I said Kobe never participated in that and you can't compare sth that Manu did with sth that Kobe never does. Don't make me laugh that HE beat Duncan and the rest of the US... he got plenty of help from Luis Scola and that guy Hermann (sp?), the player who lost his mother and girlfriend in a car accident... as he scored 9 crucial pts in less than 5 minutes to ice the W against the US. He didn't beat the US team by himself.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">The easiest way to determine which player is better is by seeing who would get a bigger contract if they were both free agents. Don't kid yourself, <u>if the Spurs had the chance to they would trade Ginobli for Kobe as quick as possible</u>.</div>

Yeah, money talks... I agree completely. Like Nike signed LeBron to $90 mil sth, while Melo only $18 mil... and look at how their second year careers are so different right now (LeBron averaging 28+ pts, while Melo is shooting just 35%)... at least by far. And if somehow Manu is making the same money as Kobe and like R_ChutneY said if there was a chance to trade them straight up, Pop will say to Manu, "just shut up, pack up your bags and here's a one way ticket to LA... sayonara" and he will think later how he gets the Spurs into such a deep mess because Kobe doesn't play team ball.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">However, I think Kobe hasn't proven that he can play within a team as well as Ginobli. If you switch their situations, I think Ginobli would be able to lead the Lakers to the same amount of wins. But I don't think Kobe would be able to function as well within the Spurs.</div>

Yes, I have said and will say it again Manu is a much better team player than Kobe... he's unselfish, he can score, he knows his role. Kobe's game is just different than Manu. To be effective, he needs to dominate the ball and go all out and score. Kobe is more of a one-on-one player than Manu is. That's why Manu is better in this regards. The Spurs are a team-oriented, maybe is not a good fit for Kobe.

 

But he was on the Bench because we didn't have anyone that could change the game like Manu.

This year we have Brent Barry.

He was like a 1-2 punch that the Spurs needed very bad
if you look at the minutes he played last year you will see he played more then Hedo
on most games and closed out many more.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">
I do love Kobes game but he has to prove that he can win a Championship no matter where he plays at.</div>

well...Kobe has played at two levels: Highschool and the NBA ... He has won championships at both levels, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that Kobe doesn't know how to win championships. He hasn't proven that he can't.

As for the topic, Manu is very good (and underrated IMO), but he's still a couple of notches below Kobe, overall and "all-around." It's very difficult to make a sound argument for a first year starter (albeit a very good one) against a perrienial all-star player.

As for the all-around argument, Kobe is easily top 5 all-around players in the NBA. He is unquestionably a top 5 perimeter offensive player, and a top 5 perimeter defender. I might be mistaken but I think Kobe is the only active player in the NBA to have averaged 30+ points, 5 + rebounds, 5+ assists, and 2 + steals in a single season.

Manu is great, I love his style, but he's not there yet, nor do I think he ever will be.

 

"And I think if you train an iguana basketball drills, it is going to be a better player than Gino will be. Hey I have lots of theories without in-depth analysis too, not only you... you want some more? How about Barbie doll? And since when did you start mentioning "ALL AROUND PLAYER"? Anyway, Kobe is arguably the best all around player, light years ahead of Manu. "





Ok
what questions do want answers to?
I can ride on Kobe and the Lakers all day
give me another reason so i can start up another
thread.All it is, is Ginobili is better that Kobe
more as a team player and he knows his role
without Shaq to blame Kobe is nothing.
Yeah you can say that Manu needs Tim
but did you see him complain when Tim Duncan
Shoots like Sh#t and they lose....NO....Did Manu blame Tim
for their lost last year in the playoffs......NO.
Manu knows its TD team and doesnt need the coachs and media to
tell him that. Another reason why he is going to be better than Kobe

 

[quote name='the_greatest#23']"And I think if you train an iguana basketball drills, it is going to be a better player than Gino will be. Hey I have lots of theories without in-depth analysis too, not only you... you want some more? How about Barbie doll? And since when did you start mentioning "ALL AROUND PLAYER"? Anyway, Kobe is arguably the best all around player, light years ahead of Manu. "




I agree with the greatest...this comment above in my opinion was very unnecessary. It undermines a very talented player. If you think he is not as good as we do then fine. It's very disresoectful to say that a trained inguana will be better than Ginobili. It was just stupid and I think it has made us all even more stupid for actually reading this comment.

 

It seams like most people have a destorted vision of what makes a good player great by everyone definition USA team was better then Argentina. Lets look at it like this "Usa had better players, Argentina had a better team." "Kobe is a better [scorer] player, Manu is a better team player"

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">well...Kobe has played at two levels: Highschool and the NBA ... He has won championships at both levels, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that Kobe doesn't know how to win championships. He hasn't proven that he can't.

As for the topic, Manu is very good (and underrated IMO), but he's still a couple of notches below Kobe, overall and "all-around." It's very difficult to make a sound argument for a first year starter (albeit a very good one) against a perrienial all-star player.

As for the all-around argument, Kobe is easily top 5 all-around players in the NBA. He is unquestionably a top 5 perimeter offensive player, and a top 5 perimeter defender. I might be mistaken but I think Kobe is the only active player in the NBA to have averaged 30+ points, 5 + rebounds, 5+ assists, and 2 + steals in a single season.

Manu is great, I love his style, but he's not there yet, nor do I think he ever will be.</div>


Hey let break down what you said
First
most player in the NBA have won a HighSchool championships then a NBA Championship.
and you are wrong about we you said and iquote "I don't know where you're getting the idea that Kobe doesn't know how to win championships"

Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq at a NBA level.
Manu has
A gold medal
a Europe Championship
and a NBA Championship
Highschool doesn't count

second you said "It's very difficult to make a sound argument for a first year starter (albeit a very good one) against a perrienial all-star player."
When you have about 11 million people that live in LA compared to SA that has 1 million
you will always have Kobe have more votes then someone like Manu.

Third you said "Kobe is easily top 5 all-around players in the NBA. He is unquestionably a top 5 perimeter offensive player, and a top 5 perimeter defender.

You have a case for top 5 Offensive of player but not one of the top 5 Defender in the NBA

Bruce Bowen
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirilenko
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Shaq
Ben Wallace
and even Tayshaun Prince who that had to remove him from Kobes Chest last year

Kobe is not a top 5 defender in the NBA right now he's still a couple of notches below this guys
Kobe is great, I love his style, but he's not there yet, nor do I think he ever will be

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey let break down what you said
First
most player in the NBA have won a HighSchool championships then a NBA Championship.</div>

No, most NBA players don't win NBA championships...only a few do actually..



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq at a NBA level.</div>

And Manu hasn't won anything without Duncan at the NBA level...what's your point? Neither men has had a chance so that point is moot. In Kobe's case, do u sincerly expect Kobe to win an NBA championship after 9 games?


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Manu has
A gold medal
a Europe Championship
and a NBA Championship
Highschool doesn't count</div>

Kobe has never played in the Olympics or the euro league... With your logic, Kareem Reid is better than Manu because Manu has never won a NBDL and/or EBC championship.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When you have about 11 million people that live in LA compared to SA that has 1 million
you will always have Kobe have more votes then someone like Manu.</div>

Are u implying that if the fans didn't vote Kobe into the game, the coaches wouldn't as a reserve? I didn't think so ....

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Third you said "Kobe is easily top 5 all-around players in the NBA. He is unquestionably a top 5 perimeter offensive player, and a top 5 perimeter defender.

You have a case for top 5 Offensive of player but not one of the top 5 Defender in the NBA

Bruce Bowen
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirilenko
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Shaq
Ben Wallace
and even Tayshaun Prince who that had to remove him from Kobes Chest last year</div>

Half those guys are post defenders, lmao ...


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is great, I love his style, but he's not there yet, nor do I think he ever will be </div>

Imitation is often the result of Envy. I accept your compliment.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">No, most NBA players don't win NBA championships...only a few do actually.</div>



You said that "well...Kobe has played at two levels: Highschool and the NBA ... He has won championships at both levels, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that Kobe doesn't know how to win championships. He hasn't proven that he can't"
not me.


[/QUOTE]
And Manu hasn't won anything without Duncan at the NBA level...what's your point? Neither men has had a chance so that point is moot. In Kobe's case, do u sincerly expect Kobe to win an NBA championship after 9 games? [/QUOTE]

can I say Gold medal
who was there AI,Duncan,Melo,Wade,LBJ,Steph,Odom,Boozer,jefferson aren't at NBA level
yea ok i see you point
tell that the them


[/QUOTE]
Kobe has never played in the Olympics or the euro league... With your logic, Kareem Reid is better than Manu because Manu has never won a NBDL and/or EBC championship.
[/QUOTE]
My Logic is that just because you can go one on one doesn't mean that you are a better player to win anywhere you go like Manu has


[/QUOTE]
Are u implying that if the fans didn't vote Kobe into the game, the coaches wouldn't as a reserve? I didn't think so ....[/QUOTE]

I didn't say anything like that
you said this"against a perrienial all-star player."



[/QUOTE]
Half those guys are post defenders, lmao ... [/QUOTE]
but you said a top 5 defender not me

 

^Anybody want to translate that for me so I can respond?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok
what questions do want answers to?
I can ride on Kobe and the Lakers all day
give me another reason so i can start up another
thread.</div>

Okay you're game... you said Manu is going to be a better all around player than Kobe Bryant. Could you explain why is that? And please, no Olympic stuff since Kobe never participates in one.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">All it is, is Ginobili is better that Kobe
more as a team player and he knows his role
without Shaq to blame Kobe is nothing.
Yeah you can say that Manu needs Tim
but did you see him complain when Tim Duncan
Shoots like Sh#t and they lose....NO....Did Manu blame Tim
for their lost last year in the playoffs......NO.
Manu knows its TD team and doesnt need the coachs and media to
tell him that. Another reason why he is going to be better than Kobe</div>

Oh and now Kobe Bryant complained to Shaq that he took shots and the Lakers lost in the Finals? Judging by the way Shaq played in Game 4 against the Pistons (16 for 20?) everybody on the Lakers including Kobe knew it's best to give Shaq the ball and let him take us as far as he could. But like my man realdealbneal said, all the passing lanes were shut out by the Pistons Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, it's not easy to get the ball to Shaq. This is what the reigning MVP Kevin Garnett said after their game against the Pistons on Wednesday this week, "They (the Pistons) make you beat them by shooting jump shot, and you can't win a game that way." (Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=241117008 )

And this is exactly what happened to the Lakers in the NBA Finals, even if the Lakers (including Kobe) wanted to give the ball to Shaq, they couldn't and they were forced to beat them by shooting the ball from the perimeter. And it's not like all the perimeter shots aren't well-guarded either, and in terms of making one-on-one plays like that, Kobe is our best perimeter player so just give him the ball. And he shot them often with fadeaways because he wanted to avoid those frickin long arms of Tayshaun Prince, not because he he was "MJ"-ing. Kobe had to take those shots for any of us to have a chance to win because all the passing lanes to Shaq were blocked, he was our best SECOND option. And he did all the best he could unfortunately that demon Tayshaun was still too long and Kobe ended up missing than making most of his shots. Let me tell you, if I was Shaq and IF the passing lanes were open and IF Kobe still DIDN'T friickin gimme the ball I guarantee it would mark the first time a teammate punch a teammate.... in the playoffs... and in the NBA Finals. I'm sure Shaq himself would do that, but he didn't because he knew that passing the ball to him was no longer an option. The Lakers'd end up with more turnovers than successful passes if they were to be persistent in giving it to Shaq.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GameTime:</div><div class="quote_post">[quote name='the_greatest#23']
I agree with the greatest...this comment above in my opinion was very unnecessary. It undermines a very talented player. If you think he is not as good as we do then fine. It's very disresoectful to say that a trained inguana will be better than Ginobili. It was just stupid and I think it has made us all even more stupid for actually reading this comment.</div>

That's my whole point... it wasn't necessary. What theories without analysis are? And of course, that iguana thing was just a BS theory, it didn't make any sense. Let me repeat it, it was just a theory without any analysis <u>because</u> I did not go further and explain why I think if you train an iguana some basketball drills, it is going to be a better player than Manu. Since I can't sell a point with that statement, why buy my statement? The same thing the_greatest#23 is trying to sell his that <u>Manu is going to be an all around player than Kobe Bryant</u> without saying what made him think that. And I didn't buy it, of course. But the problem is some people actually buy what he says so I'm just gonna step in and pretty much say he is selling illegal stuff around.

 

[quote name='PupMelo']Okay you're game... you said Manu is going to be a better all around player than Kobe Bryant. Could you explain why is that? And please, no Olympic stuff since Kobe never participates in one.

Fine i'll leave the olympic's out,(that just shows how much of a man he is by not showing up for his own country)
OK Manu is a better distributor he knows when his team mates are open and whats a good shot from a bad shoot.second he knows who's around him Manu can go throw and by deffense without being bailed out by the ref's.
Sure i'll give Kobe the fact that he can score more but that doesnt make him
better.Manu contributes on REB AST STL (which he is leading the league now) PTS Only when the team needs him when Tim is on then he gets the ball,now that Shaq is out the picture Kobe is force to do all these things day in and day out,you cant tell me to expect the rest come from someone else .This is what Ginobili can do that Kobe cant,and he is going to get more publicity from teamates and other NBA players.
and remeber i said that Manu is GOING to be better than Kobe,
I cant prove yet #'s wise but at the end of the season i'll be able to show everyone who is doubting Manu.

Oh and now Kobe Bryant complained to Shaq that he took shots and the Lakers lost in the Finals? Judging by the way Shaq played in Game 4 against the Pistons (16 for 20?) everybody on the Lakers including Kobe knew it's best to give Shaq the ball and let him take us as far as he could. But like my man realdealbneal said, all the passing lanes were shut out by the Pistons Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, it's not easy to get the ball to Shaq. This is what the reigning MVP Kevin Garnett said after their game against the Pistons on Wednesday this week, "They (the Pistons) make you beat them by shooting jump shot, and you can't win a game that way." (Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=241117008 )


Okay thats was last year i was using it as an EXAMPLE that all

And this is exactly what happened to the Lakers in the NBA Finals, even if the Lakers (including Kobe) wanted to give the ball to Shaq, they couldn't and they were forced to beat them by shooting the ball from the perimeter. And it's not like all the perimeter shots aren't well-guarded either, and in terms of making one-on-one plays like that, Kobe is our best perimeter player so just give him the ball. And he shot them often with fadeaways because he wanted to avoid those frickin long arms of Tayshaun Prince, not because he he was "MJ"-ing. Kobe had to take those shots for any of us to have a chance to win because all the passing lanes to Shaq were blocked, he was our best SECOND option. And he did all the best he could unfortunately that demon Tayshaun was still too long and Kobe ended up missing than making most of his shots. Let me tell you, if I was Shaq and IF the passing lanes were open and IF Kobe still DIDN'T friickin gimme the ball I guarantee it would mark the first time a teammate punch a teammate.... in the playoffs... and in the NBA Finals. I'm sure Shaq himself would do that, but he didn't because he knew that passing the ball to him was no longer an option. The Lakers'd end up with more turnovers than successful passes if they were to be persistent in giving it to Shaq.


Yeah like i said this was just an example the Lakers should have lost to the Spurs anyway, but thats another story

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Fine i'll leave the olympic's out,(that just shows how much of a man he is by not showing up for his own country)</div>

Okay, give the man a break okay... Kobe couldn't participate because he had that legal stuff to settle, remember? He couldn't possibly play in Greece one day and be expected to be in Colorado the next day. I believe without any of this stuff, he would be glad to represent his country.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">OK Manu is a better distributor he knows when his team mates are open and whats a good shot from a bad shoot.second he knows who's around him Manu can go throw and by deffense without being bailed out by the ref's.</div>

Like I said, he is a much better team player than Kobe. Hey, being bailed by the refs is the nature of the NBA, it sure seems ridiculous to international rules but you gotta take it to your advantage. This is your career, you gotta be successful using whatever it takes to be successful. Because if you don't, others will. Superstars get the calls, if the zebras don't recognize you they wouldn't make calls for you. They know which players should get the calls and which players shouldn't get as many. They know who is a superstar and who isn't. Not saying that Manu doesn't get calls, he does (6.5 free throw attempts per game), but not many as Kobe Bryant (12.3 fta per game).


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure i'll give Kobe the fact that he can score more but that doesnt make him
better.Manu contributes on REB AST STL (which he is leading the league now) PTS Only when the team needs him when Tim is on then he gets the ball,now that Shaq is out the picture Kobe is force to do all these things day in and day out,you cant tell me to expect the rest come from someone else .This is what Ginobili can do that Kobe cant,and he is going to get more publicity from teamates and other NBA players.
and remeber i said that Manu is GOING to be better than Kobe,
I cant prove yet #'s wise but at the end of the season i'll be able to show everyone who is doubting Manu.</div>

Manu is in the position where Kobe was during Shaq's stay in LA. Being a sidekick and all... their roles are just different now. Manu is still a sidekick, Kobe is the first option. I believe Manu can go all nuts and score like crazy in some nights... but the Spurs don't need him to. The Lakers, on the other hand, depend on Kobe to provide most of the scoring, so in most Laker possessions, they expect him to score or make plays for his teammates. And he did make plays for his teammates as he dished out a season high 11 assists against the Clips two days ago. And, although he doesn't have a reliable, consistent second option yet (Caron is still growing, Lamar is still fitting in), he can rely on at least one of these guys (including Chris Mihm) when the others are off. Like I said Manu is a much better team player than Kobe, but that doesn't mean Kobe is a chopped liver too when it comes to being a team player. Again, that Clippers game two days ago proved he can be a team player rather than just being a solo offensive gang... if he was, if he didn't keep dishing it to Shaq (when he was still around), the Lakers wouldn't win a title. Kobe knows exactly what it takes to be a team player, but he often goes with that instinct to score because that's at least what he thinks he's most effective, which is not necessarily right. I'll remember what you said that Manu is going to be better than Kobe, but until the season end (or whenever it is), what more are you going to say? Just curious.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_greatest#23:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah like i said this was just an example the Lakers should have lost to the Spurs anyway, but thats another story</div>

A lucky shot deserved another lucky shot. If you think the Spurs could beat the Lakers with that single lucky Duncan shot in Game 5... oh well never mind, <u>Fisher was luckier</u> and that's all that mattered.

 

how can any body come in here and say Manu is better than Kobe? Cmon I am no Kobe fan and I have to say that Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Manu.

Lets take a look at what they have accomplished

Kobe
-3 rings
-6 year all star starter(he started every year)
- All Rookie Second team
- scored 33 Points in the Rookie vs Sophomore game
- All NBA First Team(3)
-All NBA Second team(2)
-All NBA third team(1)
- 2002 All Star MVP
-3 time ALL NBa Defensive Team
- 2 Time All BBA 2nd Defensive Team
- career high is 56 Points
-Age 26

Manu
- All Rookie 2nd team
-1 Ring
- led Argentina to Gold Medal(have to propz him major here)
- Age 27

Bryant is younger and has acheived so MUCH more in his basketball career regardless of MAnu only playing 3 years in came in the league with more experiance than most rookies. IF I was the Bobcats and got to pick either Kobe or Manu to build my franchise around no doubt I'd pick Kobe. IF you ask any one on Justbball who has some sort of Basketball knowlege they'll agree that Kobe is better.

 

How about we take a look at their per-40 minute stats so far to guage compare their performance this year.

Kobe (per 40 minutes) through 10 games:
26.5 points
6.4 rebounds
5.5 assists
1.0 steals
1.2 blocks
3.3 turnovers
1.08 PSA*

Manu (per 40 minutes) through 9 games:
25.2 points
7.1 rebounds
6.7 assists
3.1 steals
0.6 blocks
4.0 turnovers
1.36 PSA*

*PSA=points/(FGA + .44*FTA): "points per shot attempt" measures scoring efficiency. It approximates points per the number of shots taken (including field goal attempts and 2-shot fouls). Typically, PSA>1.0 is above average and PSA>1.2 would be amongst the league leaders.

Based on those stats, you could definitely argue that Manu is playing better. He's not as productive overall since he's playing less minutes, but he looks to be playing a bit better while on the court than Kobe. Manu is a fairly young, energetic guy, so there's not much reason to expect his performance would drop off with additional minutes.

 

Wow. Is this a joke? I hate the Spurs, but I'm a fan of Ginobili...and I would never consider this.

Kobe should be considered one of the best in the league...

All-NBA First Team (3 years)
All-Defensive First Team (3 years)
All-NBA Second Team (1 year)
All-Defensive Second Team (2 years)
All-Star (6 years)
All-Star MVP (2002)
The youngest ever to appear in an NBA game
The yougest ever to appear in an All-Star game
3 consecutive championships
The youngest player ever to score 10,000 points
Record for 12 threes in a game
Record for 9 consecutive threes
Shares the record for 8 threes in a half
Has hit incredible clutch shots, resembling the man himself
Arguably the best perimeter player in the league
Arguably the most clutch in the NBA (ask the coaches and GM's in the nba.com poll)
Had miraculous comebacks after court appearances

and then you have

Accused of rape

And that kills it all.