Ginobili is going to be better than Kobe

Players performances should be judged season by season the same way a team is judged every season. If the Pistons don't repeat this year then they are not the best.

With that said, Kobe had some great seasons and was considered the top SG in the NBA. But he hasn't been able to repeat the same performances and Manu Ginobili is really stepping up his game. Don't forget Ray Allen is up there too. He's kicking some pretty serious a-- this season as well.

Ofcourse theres always the golden rule: Shaq makes the players around him better than what they really are. Period. It's history. It's proven. I'll wait for the season to play out to see who the real #1 SG is and see if Kobe can really reclaim the title without Shaq.

 

Though I'm not a big fan of Kobe, mainly because of his selfishness and also because I'm a big Shaq fan, you can't say Manu will ever be better than Kobe. And to say he's better than Kobe at the moment is just crazy. I believe KB(excluding LeBron) is the most talented player in the leauge(and yes,I'm a hater) and he utilize his skills incredible well.To say he's the best at the moment is very hard because of TD,KG and Shaq being in the leauge, but skill-wise there isn't anyone near him except LBJ and T-Mac. Just look at the things Kobe has accomplished.Those are things where Manu can only dream of(Granted, you have to give him props for the gold medal, but that's about it) Kobe has more rings, twice as much all-star starts than seasons Manu has played, numerous 1st and 2nd team selections and is an all-defensive first or second team lock.He's extremely clutch and knows how to handle with pressure.People who say Manu is better are or crazy,or they look to Kobe's off-court achievements(whether true or not,we leave that in the middle)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">People who say Manu is better are or crazy,or they look to Kobe's off-court achievements(whether true or not,we leave that in the middle)</div>

Or maybe they're just looking at the numbers, which appear to favor Manu early in the season.

 

The arguments are pretty inconsistent in this thread, with some people arguing how Manu's already better and others arguing how he's gonna be better.
I think we can agree that Kobe is better than Manu is right now. He's earned his starting spot and his putting up numbers while being doubled and being the focus of the offence. Manu is putting up good numbers too, but he isn't the first option and isn't targeted by the opponent's defence.
On the topic of who is going to be better, I would still have to say Kobe, even though it's hard to tell how good a player is going to be. Kobe has improved every year and has gotten good enough that the Lakers were willing to choose him over Shaq. Despite that, he still has the chance to improve. Manu has gotten better, but I don't think his potential is great enough to choose him over Shaq. I can't see him shouldering the load of an NBA team as well as Kobe.
Sure, Manu might be a better team player than Kobe, but there are alot of people who are better team players than Kobe. Teamwork can be taught, but some of the skills that Kobe has can't.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">The arguments are pretty inconsistent in this thread, with some people arguing how Manu's already better and others arguing how he's gonna be better.
I think we can agree that Kobe is better than Manu is right now. He's earned his starting spot and his putting up numbers while being doubled and being the focus of the offence. Manu is putting up good numbers too, but he isn't the first option and isn't targeted by the opponent's defence.
On the topic of who is going to be better, I would still have to say Kobe, even though it's hard to tell how good a player is going to be. Kobe has improved every year and has gotten good enough that the Lakers were willing to choose him over Shaq. Despite that, he still has the chance to improve. Manu has gotten better, but I don't think his potential is great enough to choose him over Shaq. I can't see him shouldering the load of an NBA team as well as Kobe.
Sure, Manu might be a better team player than Kobe, but there are alot of people who are better team players than Kobe. Teamwork can be taught, but some of the skills that Kobe has can't.</div>

What Manu is doing right now isn't too different than what Kobe was doing during the Laker's championship run. He was the side-kick to Shaq. Defenses didn't have to focus on him as much.

I wouldn't rate Ginobili over Kobe at this point, even though statistically he's having a better year so far. As you say, the environment is differently, and Manu is really playing out of his mind right now. I mean, he's shooting over 50% on threes and nearly 55% for the season, and you know he won't keep up that pace. Kobe's numbers will probably improve as the season goes on. So, yeah, right now Kobe is number 1 at his position.

I'd rank shooting guards like this (not considering Pierce, LeBron, and Iverson):

1. Bryant
2. McGrady
3. Ginobili
4. Allen
5. Redd
6. Hughes
7. Richardson
8. Hamilton
9. J. Johnson
10. Finley

 

I wouldn't call a guy who puts up 28.5 PPG on 46% shooting, 6 RPG, and 5 APG a sidekick...and this was the second championship season.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't call a guy who puts up 28.5 PPG on 46% shooting, 6 RPG, and 5 APG a sidekick...and this was the second championship season.</div>

No... He was more of a second star

It isn't because Manu plays better than Kobe right now, that he'll keep those numbers up. I still consider Manu inconsistent. Kobe can have a very bad shooting night, but still gets his points from all the calls he's getting.His assists and rebounds are always consistent,where Manu can slip a bit in both categories.This is largely because he isn't the ball-handler and the main scoring option of the Spurs, where Kobe's both of the Lakers(yes, I consider him the true point guard) When Manu could be the lone star on a team and keep up his numbers I could consider him as good as Kobe, but right now... Not even a chance!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phuzer:</div><div class="quote_post">No... He was more of a second star

It isn't because Manu plays better than Kobe right now, that he'll keep those numbers up. I still consider Manu inconsistent. Kobe can have a very bad shooting night, but still gets his points from all the calls he's getting.His assists and rebounds are always consistent,where Manu can slip a bit in both categories.This is largely because he isn't the ball-handler and the main scoring option of the Spurs, where Kobe's both of the Lakers(yes, I consider him the true point guard) When Manu could be the lone star on a team and keep up his numbers I could consider him as good as Kobe, but right now... Not even a chance!</div>
This is Kobe's first year without Shaq...and yet his numbers were always miles ahead of Ginobili's.

You said it yourself...Kobe wasn't the first scoring option when Shaq was a Laker...so why didn't his numbers slip?

I believe it's because Kobe > Manu, no matter who's on their team, or who's playing who.

 

LOL Ginobili is never going to be as good as Bryant what a fool thread lol..Ginobili is good put not so good to be superstar like Bryant

 

omg thats nonsense
Kobe bryant is superstar
Manu is a star - manu would not be a hall of famer ...but kobe will

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting goofy:</div><div class="quote_post">omg thats nonsense
Kobe bryant is superstar
Manu is a star - manu would not be a hall of famer ...but kobe will</div>
omg mida sa ahff tead nbast sul ple isegi nba+ kanalit..krt mingi kubjalt enn maakas...ma n?en m?nge sa ei n?e eks...said aru ?
sorry for lil offtopic put this guy dose not know what is he talking about...

 

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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting goofy:</div><div class="quote_post">I am a farmer</div>

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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iceman:</div><div class="quote_post">omg mida sa ahff tead nbast sul ple isegi nba+ kanalit..krt mingi kubjalt enn maakas...ma n?en m?nge sa ei n?e eks...said aru ?
sorry for lil offtopic put this guy dose not know what is he talking about... </div>

Mind speaking English please.

 

close numbers

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't call a guy who puts up 28.5 PPG on 46% shooting, 6 RPG, and 5 APG a sidekick...and this was the second championship season.</div>

He's a sidekick in the sense that without Shaq in the middle, he'd have to work A LOT harder for those points (the low fg% and the high turnover rate this year is a good indication of that). Also, Shaq had the better numbers that year as well. 29 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, shooting 58%. So, yeah, he was #2 in my book.

 

Ginobili is great and will continue to improve; but at the current level; its hard to compare. Plus there are several other factors that differentiate them that should be taken into account as well. Clutchness is one. Not to mention....LEADERSHIP. EXPERIENCE.

 

Even though I'm a gigantic Ginobili fan and pretty much anti-lakers, I agree that it's kind of pointless to try and argue who's better. Kobe is hands down the best sg in the NBA. I do think Manu is definitely a top 10, well top 5 for me, but that turns into personal opinion there.

Manu is an exellent player. He's proven he can help SA as a role player and a starter, and he also proved he could lead his national team to olympic gold. He can be clutch. I think he has the defensive edge on Kobe. And while he makes dangerous plays, he still remains a very good passer. Kobe has the special gift of pure athleticism. He's a lot more clutch indeed. He's the better shooter. More explosive. ...the arguements could go on and on.

You can only really compare players by their stats and the plays they've made, etc. And ultimately, their teammates do reflect upon how we view them, in one way or another.

 

ginobili may get better then kobe but he will never be better then jordan neither will kobe or lebron so people need to just stop comparing all them to jordan. Maybe one day there will be a next jordan but not for a while