this team is loaded on the front court and they have a elite point guard, yet they are winless. is it the dudes that want out (baron +magloire), coach scott, the western conference or do they just suck? i personally think a lot your core is in the downside of their careers: pj brown, darryl armstrong and david wesley. the sixers and the raps had similar problems so they made trades, getting younger and athletic. the raps have also made a commitment to player development, which accounts for the surprising play of loren woods and matt bonner. i know u guys haven't heard of them but u will.
Magloire has been shooting horribly, and it's just been Baron Davis creating for everyone. David Wesley has been doing decent, but a lot of his scores come off Davis and Armstrong assists, and their's no one else that can really create their shot efficiently on the team apart from Baron.
u lost to the hawks? do u know how bad u have to be to lose to the hawks at home? i got an idea trade magloire and chris anderson to the raps for jalen rose
The Hornets haven't brought in many new, fresh faces that can produce on the court. It's still the same old Hornets, with the same old banged up players who seem to get injuried and prevent this team from succeeding. My opinion is that The Hornets lost faith in themselves. What's there to believe in? They haven't been able to excel enough in The Eastern Conference to even be considered a contender, and that's when their healthy. The sad reality is The Hornets are ALWAYS banged up, so when they do go on a spurt someone seems to come up with an injury and kill all momentum. You often times hear about teams making a push after making a trade, even if it's not a blockbuster deal, just shifting around pieces and finding the right fit. For instance last season with Cleveland and Jeff McInnis. No one considers him an elite point guard, but his addition before the trading deadline last season sparked Cleveland for quite some time. Your front office needs to show the players and coaches out on the floor that they actually care, and they're willing to make moves and fight for your benefit. It's clear The Hornets need a move in the near future, it's a matter of the Front Office steping up to the plate.
I am suprised at this too, 0-6. I just found that out I thought they were going to be pretty solid this year, but I hope they find there groove.
The Hornets have a mix of problems that are part of the reasons for their lack of success. First and foremost, they're out West now. The competition is a lot more and you can't play second rate basketball and still pull out a win. If you want to win out West, you need to play good consistently. Right now, they're not playing worth a damn. Secondly, no one outside of Baron is doing that great. Magloire has shot like crap, and that's the one guy they NEEDED to produce. If you're gonna win in the West, you need your big guys to produce, and Magloire isn't producing. It also didn't help when their number two guy (Mashburn) was announced to be done for the season before the season had begun. So, these things coupled with the fact that they have just played outright horrible are big reasons why they are 0-6. They need to get things going. Magloire needs to get going and Davis needs to concentrate on staying healthy this year if they're going to succeed at some point. Also, the supporting cast, Wesley, Brown, Armstrong, etc., need to produce for them also.
I think PJ Brown and David Wesley are far from what people expect them to be, I guess they're gettin old. Baron's injuries have impacted his game as well. Moving to the west isn't a good reason, but it definitely put pressure on younger players. And last but not least, losing veterans like Stacey Augmon and Tractor Traylor left Baron Davis as the only leader of this team (maybe PJ Brown is one too), which apparantly is not enough.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BODY_COUNT:</div><div class="quote_post">I think PJ Brown and David Wesley are far from what people expect them to be, I guess they're gettin old. Baron's injuries have impacted his game as well. Moving to the west isn't a good reason, but it definitely put pressure on younger players. And last but not least, losing veterans like Stacey Augmon and Tractor Traylor left Baron Davis as the only leader of this team (maybe PJ Brown is one too), which apparantly is not enough.</div> Actually, moving West is a legit reason. The competition over there is much stiffer. And quite frankly, if they struggled to get to 41 wins out east last year, they're gonna struggle to get to 30 this year, especially if they don't get a win anytime soon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, moving West is a legit reason. The competition over there is much stiffer. And quite frankly, if they struggled to get to 41 wins out east last year, they're gonna struggle to get to 30 this year, especially if they don't get a win anytime soon.</div> What I'm sayin is that moving to the west isn't a legit excuse for losing to the hawks. You still play the same teams, whether you're in the eastern or the western conference, you just play some teams more often, so dropping 6 straight isn't a direct result of moving to the west.
This is easy... 1. Bad player/management relationships 2. Health/Age (including the loss of Mashburn) 3. Western Conference
If your best player hinted he wanted to be traded prior to the start of training camp, you know your team will be in trouble for the season. The Hornets are simply not a deep team, as Mashburn is unavailable for the season, and their second-best player (aka Jamaal Magloire) is not only NOT improving those modest averages, but they are actually getting worse (13.0 ppg and 8.7 rpg) from last season (13.6 and 10.3 rpg). The Hornets clearly need better production from him, esp with Baron being out for 5 more games. David Wesley can score but he needs someone to pass him the ball to do so, and although he is strong he's still undersized as tall shooting guards such as Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady will easily smother him for mid-range pull ups. Darrell Armstrong and PJ Brown are only getting older, and Chris Andersen, although playing and scoring a little bit more his true impact on the defensive end (shot-blocking), which I think why the Hornets signed him, has been disappointing as it dips down to 0.5 from 1.6 bpg last year. I wonder why coach Scott doesn't play that guy David West more... he definitely showed some promise last year. I mean it's okay to start PJ Brown, but he can go to the bench early and be subbed for West, who should form a solid 1-2 punch at the 4 pos. The rest of the players are simply first or second year players, including kid J.R. Smith, who still needs more experience to grow into another solid HS player... until then (2006?), the Hornets better get some help, or not ... I predict they'll end up being high up there for the Lottery next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">like i posted in a seperate thread trade magloire and mash for vince</div> Toronto is very much interested in Magloire but, not Mashburn. He's too injury proned and his health is greatly being questioned. Maybe Magloire and another decent player for Carter. Maybe Carter, Marshall for Davis and Magloire.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto is very much interested in Magloire but, not Mashburn. He's too injury proned and his health is greatly being questioned. Maybe Magloire and another decent player for Carter. Maybe Carter, Marshall for Davis and Magloire.</div> i think that mashburn would only be included in a deal for salary purposes since vince and big cat's salarys dont match up vince, donyell and jalen for magloire, davis and mashburn :thumbsup:
Watched them last night (vs. Warriors) and they were pretty pathetic at the end of the game. (Warriors were pretty bad also.) Without Baron, real tough to get any offense as Wesley cannot create for himself these days. Nailon and PJ were off and Magliore is okay but shot poorly from the FT line. PJ would be perfect in a Miami Heat jersey as the perfect sidekick to Shaq, he plays tough D, rebounds, great from the FT stripe, and can hit an open jumper. Do not understand why West does not play, he did show good promise last year.
I've been watching the Hornets in the last couple of games and they hang in very close but I notice after the 5 min mark in the 4th qtr their offense goes cold and they find it very difficult to land a shot.
I feel real bad for Byron Scott to be in this situation. I dont know how many games they'll win this season, but if they can land a good lottery pick, he can turn this team around and be back in playoff contention next season.
