I was just saying that Sweetney has more of an upside than Curry. Even if he doesn't become the next Elton Brand he will be closer than Curry is to Shaq or Brand. I know size and talent are vital factors but, skill is what's going to count in the long run. So far Sweetney has been showing he has more skill, work ethic and because of this a better future than Eddy Curry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Ah, exactly. And they call Curry "Baby Shaq" right? Well... Elton Brand, at his worst, is better than Michael Sweetney, at his best. If Sweetney is the next Elton, and Curry is the next Shaq...who would you want?</div> That is so utterly wrong that I don't even know what to say. I'm baffled. Do you want to take that back right now so I don't quote you on that and put that in my signature to show how awfully wrong you are?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Need4Sheed:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, I had no clue Sweetney was a fan favorite. Why isn't Tim Thomas? Just kidding on this one.</div> Sweetney is easily one of the most popular athletes in New York right now. Yeah, you better be kidding.
Im not so sure that this is a horrible as most of you depict it to be. Sweetney is a good player but thats mostly due too his training und Mark Aguirre so whos to say Curry wont become a great player under him as well? Alot of people are saying Curry is a career underachiever but he has only been ini the NBA for 4 years and i believe his career is far from over so lets not jump to conclusions. And to be honest i think Curry will get his act together and become the next Shaq, BUT i could be wrong so if this deal goes threw we'll see how it goes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post"> That is so utterly wrong that I don't even know what to say. I'm baffled. Do you want to take that back right now so I don't quote you on that and put that in my signature to show how awfully wrong you are?</div> I don't get what you're saying. It's wrong to compare Curry to Shaq, just as it's wrong to compare Sweetney to Brand. That's what I was getting to. Neither player has similar stats or attributes that resemble Shaq and/or Brand.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not so sure that this is a horrible as most of you depict it to be. Sweetney is a good player but thats mostly due too his training und Mark Aguirre so whos to say Curry wont become a great player under him as well? Alot of people are saying Curry is a career underachiever but he has only been ini the NBA for 4 years and i believe his career is far from over so lets not jump to conclusions. And to be honest i think Curry will get his act together and become the next Shaq, BUT i could be wrong so if this deal goes threw we'll see how it goes.</div> Aguire has been helping Sweetney but, Sweetney did his part by trimming down and really working on his game. It's like Aguire is the teacher and Sweetney is doing his homework. If Curry was really looking to improve his game he would have found some way else if he didn't have someone like Aguire around.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post"> Neither player has similar stats or attributes that resemble Shaq and/or Brand.</div> That's where you're dead wrong. Sweetney is a microcosm of Elton Brand in a way. He needs to develop a turn-around J and he's set. He's got great hands, and is capable of getting 20 rebounds a night to go along with it. He's intellignet and has great post moves and can still pass well. He attracts the defense and then can keep banging down low and draw a foul. He is similar to Brand in many other ways as well. Watch closely. How many games have you seen Sweetney play in?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">That's where you're dead wrong. Sweetney is a microcosm of Elton Brand in a way. He needs to develop a turn-around J and he's set. He's got great hands, and is capable of getting 20 rebounds a night to go along with it. He's intellignet and has great post moves and can still pass well. He attracts the defense and then can keep banging down low and draw a foul. He is similar to Brand in many other ways as well. Watch closely. How many games have you seen Sweetney play in? </div> But what I'm saying is before he's compared to Brand, shouldn't he have to show that he's capable of putting up numbers similar to Brand's, and starting for the Knicks, night in and night out? Brand, in my opinion, is what holds the Clippers together. Without him, they don't win. I can't say that for Sweetney...and maybe he can prove me wrong later on, but right now, and yes, it's my opinion...I can't say he's going to be similar to Elton. I'm not trying to say that he can't play...don't get me wrong. I haven't seen every Knicks game like you have (if you have)...but from the ones I do see, and highlights, and reading stats, and hearing others' opinions...that's where I've formed my opinion about him. Curry...I've seen him. I don't like how people compare him to Shaq. I wouldn't even say the man is a Top 5 center...but when you're compared to someone, I figure that you better expect to back it up and prove that you're near the level and stardom as Elton Brand is (or Shaq, for Curry's matter). Otherwise, I don't see the comparison as legit. That's just how I feel. :thumbsup:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">But what I'm saying is before he's compared to Brand, shouldn't he have to show that he's capable of putting up numbers similar to Brand's, and starting for the Knicks, night in and night out? Brand, in my opinion, is what holds the Clippers together. Without him, they don't win. I can't say that for Sweetney...and maybe he can prove me wrong later on, but right now, and yes, it's my opinion...I can't say he's going to be similar to Elton. </div> I've seen Sweetney play in every single game. And he has shown that he is more than capable of putting up numbers similar to Brand's. In fact, I think he is capable of exceeding his numbers, that's how gifted he is. How many times have you seen Sweetney play? I'm just curious.
When Sweetney was given the minutes he's been very productive. Many games last year especially at the ned of the season he was putting up double double numbers all the time. If Sweetny is starting in the next 2 years or so he will put up numbers very similar to Elton Brand.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand what you're saying...but agree with the deal of not, if Isiah Thomas feels this deal is beneficial to his club and he doesn't pull the trigger due to fear of public backlash, then he isn't a fit GM in the first place. Sometimes, the best decision is the unpopular one.</div> yes sometimes but in this case trading sweetney is simply a stupid move any way u look at it. Curry is out of shape and doesnt play the entires season, plus in a few years when houston is gone and t tomas and uve got ariza and crawford starting ur gonna want to have sweetney for his speed and his defense. Also while curry is a good rebounder sweetney crashes the boards offensively better and has a better attitude in the locker room and is more affordable than curry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I've seen Sweetney play in every single game. And he has shown that he is more than capable of putting up numbers similar to Brand's. In fact, I think he is capable of exceeding his numbers, that's how gifted he is. How many times have you seen Sweetney play? I'm just curious.</div> Here... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not trying to say that he can't play...don't get me wrong. I haven't seen every Knicks game like you have (if you have)...but from the ones I do see, and highlights, and reading stats, and hearing others' opinions...that's where I've formed my opinion about him.</div> I had NBATV last year...I don't know how many games I watched exactly, but it's not like I never watched the Knicks, ya know. But like I said, I can take your word for it, but I'd have to listen to a Bulls fan also, when he/she would tell me that they watch Curry every single game, and they believe he is comparable to Shaq. That's all I'm trying to say.
Curry might not reach his potential if he remains in Chicago. He definitely can be something big in the NBA, but a move to a different team should definitely be considered. The knicks arent' the team in my opinion. Too many players are either too selfish or can't play (tim thomas); plus the knicks don't rely on big men, they expect their guards to make shots
the thing about the league now-a-days, is that you don't need big men. Big GOOD centers are hard to come by. it's a myth that you need a "big" center in the middle. You need good wing men and a powerful center. Some guy like 6'9" 6'10" is fine. As long as the guy is a monster and strong enough to go up against some of the bigger guys. There is no longer guys like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, etc in the league to worry about. Who do you have to worry about in the league that is 7 ft and over? Shaq. Maybe Yao Ming, but honestly all you need is someone tough to defend him, the guy has a weak, soft touch and would easily be stopped by a Ben Wallace type. What I am ultimately getting at, is that I would make this trade. I for some reason always caught a bunch of Georgetown games and always caught highlights of their games while Sweetney was at Georgtown. The guy has some slick moves and a hell of a lot of potential and is a lot more disciplined than Curry. It honestly doesn't matter if we make this trade now, it's obvious that the Curry project is not going to work, he hasn't shown much this season and I'm pretty sure we won't get much more out of him. Adding Sweetney won't make us any less worse in an already bad season. All it will do is give Sweetney a chance to gain experience and get better. What else I would like to do is get rid of Tyson in some kind of package. I don't know why Isah would make this trade, but it's Isah and I don't understand a lot of his moves. Why would they want Curry anyway? I think Nazar Mohammod is a suffice center. He gets rebounds, a few points here, is a decently sized guy. I dunno, I guess they think he'd make a good backup to Curry.
