http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian...69071273990.xml ok first i didnt want him to be traded but now i think it would be better because hes not plaing good he wants out obviously everone wants him out but nayways the link is a link saing that jonh nash denies the talk i dont no i really can care less now though
Hmm, trade two washed up has-beens and get one SOLID player (Shareef) in return? Sounds like a good deal to me.
If we were to trade with Memphis, I would want Lorezen Wright and Two Swingmen. Mike Miller and Wells sound nice, but I would rather have Dahntay Jones, because this kid is dangerous when he gets PT. I prefer Wells over Miller, because he's an inside player, and we already have enough outside shooters on our team. Toronto Acquires: Bonzi Wells Dahntay Jones Lorezen Wright Memphis Acquires: Vince Carter Lamond Murray Jerome Moiso Not sure if salaries work, but that's the kind of deal I would be looking for.
Yea that's a good deal Banks, if we could get something like that it would be much better than the Portland nonsense. If James Posey was healthy and we could get him I would be happy too because he's a very good defender, but it wouldn't be good to have him as our go to guy.
If the Raptors are serious about trading VC, I think they should work something out with either the Clippers, Grizzlies, or Bulls. The trade Banks put up would be a fair deal for both teams. The Raptors get a solid inside player and Wells can step in to start at SF. They also add some depth and athleticism with Dahntay Jones. The Grizzlies get a complimentary scorer to go with Gasol and become a real threat to compete in the West, especially when Posey comes back to 100%. It also makes it possible for them to commit to Swift in the off-season or go after Eddie Curry. Both the Bulls & Clippers are loaded with talent and the Raptors can add players to build around Bosh and Alston. Clippers trade Jaric, Simmons, & Kittles for Carter & Moiso Toronto adds an underrated perimeter defender in Jaric, cap space with Kittles, and a talented up and coming player in Simmons. Jaric and Kittles also give the Raptors a perimeter attack to give Bosh more room to operate down low. The Clippers add Carter to play alongside Brand and Maggette, giving them three bonafide players and opens the door for Livingston to move into the starting lineup. From the Bulls the main target would be Ben Gordon. I'm very high on him and his game reminds me a lot of Wade. The Bulls need a ticket seller and bringing in another high flying player from North Carolina could be a big sell for them. The Bulls could also throw in some expiring contracts Othella Harrington, Scottie Pippen, and possibly Piatkowski to give the Raptors an outside shooter.
i have been advancing the notion of a trade with memphis since this summer, hopefully we can get earl watson in any trade .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Raptors are serious about trading VC, I think they should work something out with either the Clippers, Grizzlies, or Bulls. The trade Banks put up would be a fair deal for both teams. The Raptors get a solid inside player and Wells can step in to start at SF. They also add some depth and athleticism with Dahntay Jones. The Grizzlies get a complimentary scorer to go with Gasol and become a real threat to compete in the West, especially when Posey comes back to 100%. It also makes it possible for them to commit to Swift in the off-season or go after Eddie Curry. Both the Bulls & Clippers are loaded with talent and the Raptors can add players to build around Bosh and Alston. Clippers trade Jaric, Simmons, & Kittles for Carter & Moiso Toronto adds an underrated perimeter defender in Jaric, cap space with Kittles, and a talented up and coming player in Simmons. Jaric and Kittles also give the Raptors a perimeter attack to give Bosh more room to operate down low. The Clippers add Carter to play alongside Brand and Maggette, giving them three bonafide players and opens the door for Livingston to move into the starting lineup. From the Bulls the main target would be Ben Gordon. I'm very high on him and his game reminds me a lot of Wade. The Bulls need a ticket seller and bringing in another high flying player from North Carolina could be a big sell for them. The Bulls could also throw in some expiring contracts Othella Harrington, Scottie Pippen, and possibly Piatkowski to give the Raptors an outside shooter.</div> Clippers? Leave the Clippers roster alone, the team is doing good, and their's sufficient scorers on the team, what the team needs is defense and outside shooting, Simmons is a tough defender, Kittles is also a good defender, and Jaric and Kittles also provide outside shooting. Carter, Maggette and Brand isn't good, too many scorers on the team. From the Bulls the Raptors would go after Deng, they wanted him in the draft, and he's playing nice right now even, I also liked Deng a lot, and I would be extremely happy if we could get him.
^Haha, yeah the Clippers are finally making a commitment to build a solid team. I think they are a couple of years away, and adding Vince would give them more consistency. Vince and/or Maggette would become a better defender because they wouldn't have to focus the majority of their energy on offense. Also they are going to have to make a decision with Jaric & Livingston. With Simmons developing I doubt he sticks around because of CMaggs & Brand. Might as well get something for him while his stock is high.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">^Haha, yeah the Clippers are finally making a commitment to build a solid team. I think they are a couple of years away, and adding Vince would give them more consistency. Vince and/or Maggette would become a better defender because they wouldn't have to focus the majority of their energy on offense. Also they are going to have to make a decision with Jaric & Livingston. With Simmons developing I doubt he sticks around because of CMaggs & Brand. Might as well get something for him while his stock is high.</div> True I guess, but they can't get rid of Jaric yet because Livingston still isn't capable of being the starter and running the offense, unless the Raptors would give a PG, but no one want's Milt :thumbsdow
I agree Livingston is not ready to be the starter and the Clippers do not have a veteran to step in to handle the position. It would have been perfect if they kept Dooling around for another season, but their other alternative would be to sign a Rod Strickland, Mark Jackson, or former Clippers Derrick Martin or Doug Overton. Not to turn this into what's best for the Clippers since this is the Raptors forum. Getting back on topic. The Raptors are in control and they have to realize they hold all the cards and are not being forced to trade Vince at all unless it benefits them. He's locked in until 2008 and he's undoubtly a top talent in the NBA and any team adding him would improve. As for Vince fans, a change of scenery is exactly what he needs at this point in his career. He needs to re-invent his game and get a fresh attitude and rediscover his passion for the game. Being traded to a team where he doesn't have to be the franchise player will be beneficial for him. He won't have to face constant double teams and be held accountable for the success of the team. Also being in a position to play for a contender might inspire him to play harder and dominate as a role player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">according to hoops hype the offer was wells and miller for carter</div> That still does sound fair and reasonable. Is Babcock satisfied with that? Or is he asking for more?
umm it doesnt say in the article its just saying wat happend at the game yesterday about how a guy started yelling vnice u suck then a guy acrose from him was like screw u leave him alone then it said the memphis thing then it had jalen rose say something then it had vince's responce to the boos "im a happy person. and im still happy" o and it also says how gms though he was still a player of rare value to gms and how he was voted by gms the 3rd most athletic person behnind james bryant and tied with martain
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">From the Bulls the main target would be Ben Gordon. I'm very high on him and his game reminds me a lot of Wade. The Bulls need a ticket seller and bringing in another high flying player from North Carolina could be a big sell for them. The Bulls could also throw in some expiring contracts Othella Harrington, Scottie Pippen, and possibly Piatkowski to give the Raptors an outside shooter.</div> Just for the record, Scottie Pippen has retired and is not on the Bulls payroll anymore, and therefore he cannot be included in a potential deal.
He's retired, but his contract is still on their books. Similar to how the Raptors still had Hakeem's salary on the books after he retired.
Well, not according to insidehoops.com. Chicago Bulls Date # of total Player signed years salary misc FA Tyson Chandler ........ 8/1/01 4 $15,469,822 rc '05 Eddy Curry ............ 8/1/01 4 $12,534,242 rc '05 Chris Duhon ........... 10/4/04 1 minimum '05 Adrian Griffin ........ 8/7/03 2 minimum '05 Othella Harrington .... 1/21/99 7 $17,325,000 '05 Jannero Pargo ......... 10/4/04 1 minimum '05 Jared Reiner .......... 10/4/04 1 minimum '05 Tommy Smith ........... 10/4/04 1 minimum '05 Antonio Davis ......... 7/20/01 5 $60 million '06 Eric Piatkowski ....... 7/26/03 3 $9 million '06 Frank Williams ........ 7/8/02 4 $4,409,422 rc xt-opt '06 Kirk Hinrich .......... 7/15/03 4 $10,242,268 rc t-opt '07 Andres Nocioni ........ 8/11/04 3 $11 million '07 Ben Gordon ............ 7/27/04 4 $15,712,269 rc t-opt '08 Luol Deng ............. 7/27/04 4 $10,652,099 rc t-opt '08 http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/contracts They might be wrong, but in any case I don't think the Bulls will be willing to part with Ben Gordon...And he's undersized to play the off-guard, especially when the Raps as a team isn't that big.
Just to clarify here is the how the NBA treats retired players in regards to the salary cap. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player has retired. For example, James Worthy retired in 1994, two years before his contract ended. He continued to receive his salary for the 94-95 and 95-96 seasons, so his salary was included in the Lakers' team salary in those seasons. It is at the team's discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired. There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of two years (if the injury or illness occurred between January 1 and July 1) or until the second July 1 following the injury or illness (if it occurred between July 1 and January 1) before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then his entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, Luc Longley suffered a career-ending injury in March 2001. In March 2003, the Knicks were allowed to remove his entire 02-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoid paying any tax on Longley's salary). There is also some luxury tax relief associated with disabled players. If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player. </div>
according to hoopshype the trade with portland is doubtful because toronto has asked for other players that portland doesnt wanna give up. also the thing with detriot is that larry brown and one of hsi assistants had a talk with vinces mom about vince plaing in detriot(because its said that larry brown loved coahcing him on the olympic squad and that he would love to coach him) brown bought it up with dumars and dumars said "im not willing to give up 2/5ths of a championship team for a player way past his prime" the 2/5ths i think they said were prince hamilton and i think milici (sp?)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Gotrunks226":</div><div class="quote_post">I remember back before i suggested a Q Rich/Maggette for VC and everybody hated it... nobody thought it would be any good... WTF! Look at Maggette now... and Q Rich is thriving in Phoenix... , and that Allen for VC ... every1 bashed it, Allen is crazy now .. But look here, you guys got Vince, the "Franchise" player... Yes and the NO trade would be good.... and plus Baron Davis doesn't have to play Point... he can play SG... and he plays like one too , he only jacks up shots cuz he doesn't want to play in NO and nobody else is shooting the ball</div> Why would the Clippers have accepted Maggette and Q-Rich for Carter, that's not a smart trade at all, and Q-Rich isn't thriving in Phoenix, he's playing garbage, I was never a fan of is and was happy he left the Clippers with his under 40% FG [it's like 32% right now], bad shot selection, and horrible defense.
