Biggest Disgrace Of All Time?

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  1. arhieboy

    arhieboy JBB Banned Member

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    His name is Vince Carter. The only player who wants to avoid his strength and use his weakness. When Vince came into the league, this guy was the best dunker of all time. He was a crappy shooter and he understood that. He dorve in side all the time. Went to the line up to 15 times a night. Dunked at least twice a night. He steadily improved his jumper, and in his 2nd year he was arguebally top 5 in the league. In his 3rd year, the man was a pretty good shooter, and he was still slashing. In the playoffs he proved he was a superstar player, so raps signed him to a max contract. In the next season (4th year), in the start he was 2nd in the league in scoring. But in a game against San Antonio, he got an injury that changed his mind forever. After that injury two things happened right away , less dunks less points. His team even made a run into the playoffs without him, showing the heart that he didn't have. Next season, promising a comeback he came back dunkin on Duncan, giving fans a reason to cheer for him. But a few games later, another injury. The season was bad for Vince and for the raptors. It was career lows in pretty much every category except for shooting. Last year, Vince had a lot to prove. Many thought with a firey coach he would whoop ass. He did launch 39 in the first game. In the season he drove to the bucket more than the previous season, scored about 23 a game, improved his assists. But he relied to heavily on the jumper, a primary reason why raptors didn;t make the playoffs. In March, I have to give Vince props he averaged 30ppg. Thats the first time since Februrary 2002. This year, Vince is not worth talking about. 15ppg so far. What a discrace, 30 percent is his shooting percentage, hes not running, barely dunking. And hes laughing at the same time. Hes going to the line 3 times a night, and most of the time his decisions are hurting his teams chances of winning. Vince needs two more losses to become a loser in his career.
    Vince's Career: 24ppg 5rpg 4apg 1spg 1bpg 45%fgp 38%tpp 79%ftp 6fthrow atempts per game, 2dunks a nite
    This season: 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 1sp 1bpg 38%fgp 29tpp 67ftp 3 freethrowattempts per game, almost 0 dunks anite.
    Conclusion: as we can see this guy in his 7th season is already washed up. Instead of getting hurt lets just quit believing in him.
     
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    Beat JBB JustBBall Member

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    It seems that everyone who is compared to Jordan is destined to fail.
     
  3. Karma

    Karma The Will Must Be Stronger Than The Skill

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    ^ Not necessairly.

    Vince Carter didn't fail cause he was compared to Jordan and the expectations were high. He is failing because he lacks the heart and determination of a true superstar.
     
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    king94 JBB JustBBall Member

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    Even though VC's play has detriorated over the years along with his determination to become the best in the game, i really thank the guy for all the contributions he has done for basketball in canada and toronto. say what you will about his on court manner in the past few years, but this guy made canadians tune into basketball by the droves and made it disgustingly popular here. those first few years bein at skydome and the ACC, where some magical moments, esp game 6 vs the sixers at the ACC. with the trade bein so close to bein closed as reports by sources bein said in TO, i gotta holla at vince, and hope at least the change of scenery will help rejuvenate his career for one last run.
     
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    Premium JBB I'm kind of a big deal

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    oh god! your going a little over board arent you?

    first of all, if it wasnt for vince, basketball wouldnt be as popular in toronto as it is. vince is largely credited for bringing in all the fans that he did. vince was the most popular player in the nba. having him on the raps was a godsend because if we had some crappy team that wasnt exciting, it could have gone a whole lot worse. remember the Vancouver grizzlies?

    so vince isnt playing well now...it sucks. is it the biggest disgrace of all time? hell no. get your head in check. your over-dramatizing something that isnt that big of a deal.

    his play has changed. he's not as good as he used to be. we didnt need your paragraphless rant to point that out.
     
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    I'm just nitpicking here, might you might want to change "discrace" to "disgrace" in the title...

    I wouldn't say VC is washed up or the biggest disgrace of all time. He still has the ability to be a great player but he isn't putting any effort into it because he lost all his passion playing for the Raps. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he gets traded to say, Portland, and puts up monster numbers. He is certainly capable to do so.

    He's definitely acting very unprofessional right now, but his career isn't on as much of a serious decline as the way you're making it out to be.
     
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    not everyone look at kobe
     
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    ^^err...id ask for some punctuation in that post to try and turn it into something that made sense, but i dont think all the punctuation in the world could make sense of that lol.

    care to elaborate?
     
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    ouch, arhie boy is bein cut up bad lol, vince isn't a total disgrace though, as far as i see it, hes a legend of basketball for us canadians because like somebody already pointed out, he familiarised bball to canada which is something that will nevere be matched.
     
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    I don't see how I got cut up. DJ Premier is a big Vince fan, but so am I. I know he is capable of putting up big numbers, but thats a reason why hes such a disgrace. He has the ability to do it, and hes not. I know what hes done in the past, but a player cannot be judged on what he has done in the past, neither should we judge him tomorrow based on today, but I still have to judge him now based on the last 9 games. And his performance was brutal at best. If he wants to go to NY let him go.
     
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    arhieboy JBB Banned Member

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    I mean come on Vince even Grant Hill, a guy who could barely play 10 games in a season the last couple of years is playing much better than u.
     
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    so...archie.. ...u just told us not to judge on what he did in the past....but then ur rating him bc of this season and judging him based on the last 9games....so i guess if he just plays good for the next 9 games...u'd be kissing his ass
     
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    Actually, Grant Hill was essentially better than Carter before getting hit with the injury bug.
    Grant Hill is finally coming back in a strong way, it's up to Vince to do that as well. So many people want Vince to suceed yet he keeps not "living up to expectations".
    I wish him all the luck that if he does get traded, he will bring the same heart and energy that he brought to Toronto during his first 3-4 years here.

    Trust me, those days watching the Raptors play was a lot of fun. Every game (especially in 1999-2000) was a Vince highlight game and the Raptors were a pretty amazing team.
    Especially in 2001, I really miss the energy and winning enviroment that was associated with the Raptors. And Vince had the world in his palms.

    I salute Vince for all the memories he has given me because he was one of the reasons that I really started to fall in love with basketball over agian after the Jordan era had ended. I just remember watching Carter playing in his rookie season and I remember thinking that we finally had someone special in our hands. Who would have known things could go downhill like they did.

    I hope that even though he isn't giving it his all with the Raptors (simply because he doesn't want to be here), he will rejuvenate himself once traded and show the world what Vinsanity is.
     
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    arhieboy JBB Banned Member

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    I totally agree with Spawn. I want this guy to do the best he can do. And yo McGrady, if he does do good, ur right I will be kissing his ass. This guy really made me a bball fan. Especially in his first 3 years. The last 3 years, have been harsh but I was in full support. This year he is really struggling and Im getting frustrated and so is he. I think he should restart his career somewhere else. I know he will do well once he is gone. Thanks for the memories Vince. Hopefully u will make some new ones.
     
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    yep yep yep! im really disappointed its like he's putting on a show, and he feels as though he has "us" where he wants us. im so angry, an unhappy locker room is not a productive team. i say ship him off somewhere, like a trade. something i had in mind was him for mike miller of Memphis and a 1st round pick. this team needs fresh new legs, and i know that it would benefit both teams.mike would start at the three, and he does passing and rebounding and on the occassion can give u 20 a game. he has potential, but he is being benched that is hurting him. i would really like to see the raps organization get rid of vince and have a new look and new feel. watching the games u know vince aint happy, ad plays miserable. Sam mitchell is pissed as well! just my thought. im really angry at him. he's afraid of success- go see a psychiatrist vc15!
     
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    I actually think VC is washed up. He cant break his defenders down off the dribble, when he does beat his man, he's timid in the paint, just wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he can. In the Denver game, the man tried to lay it up after beating his man, and got blocked. Other players know his game, be tough with him, and he'll never come inside. VC is a headcase now, YES he might play well in Portland or wherever, but he still is a soft player no matter where he goes.
     
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    If Carter is actually healthy, then I can't understand why he's changed his game so much. Is it far-fetched to think that maybe he's purposely not playing aggressively because he wants the organization to trade him?
     
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    urbannomad23 JBB JustBBall Member

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    meh////

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">If Carter is actually healthy, then I can't understand why he's changed his game so much. Is it far-fetched to think that maybe he's purposely not playing aggressively because he wants the organization to trade him?</div>
    Its because of sam mitchell's offense. Carter has become so consumed that all he ever wants to do is just run and gun. no defense, get my 20 points off dunks. but does he dunk no! he just passes and passes away till they are like 20 points down in the 4th and try to miraculously come back. i hate that consistencey that they have. u heard it from sam mitchell as well. the team just seems to collapse in the 4th quarter when it is a close game.
     
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    arhieboy JBB Banned Member

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    It seems like Carter except for the Portland game, wants the raptors to do bad, cuz he is a negative factor, when considering the averages Points per 48 minutes for the whole team (hes second last), rebounds (last), assists (3rd last) , field goal percentage( last), freethrow percentage (2nd last). The only thing he is decent is for steals and blocks. The guy has like fewer dunks than Bonner. Come on .
     

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