<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OGmAXiFY:</div><div class="quote_post">Stephen Jackson and J.O. somewhat did the right thing, they had Ron's back, but they basically just stirred up more emotions...at least they didn't just let Ron get abused in that crazy crowd....</div> What they should have done was pull Ron away from the crowd and lead him back onto the floor. Helping him punch out fans isn't what I'd call doing the right thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllBoutDaPacers:</div><div class="quote_post">I just lost half of my fantasy team.</div>Muwhahaha. Im glad the guy rejected my trade for Ben. I tried to trade B. Miller for Ben. Bet he wishes he did now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">What they should have done was pull Ron away from the crowd and lead him back onto the floor. Helping him punch out fans isn't what I'd call doing the right thing.</div> I think some of them tried to stop and pull Ron away from the stands but then right at the scuffle, you see another fan throw beer/soda some kind of beverage at Ron again, thats when Jackson stepped in and klobbered that one guy, while Ron was smoking the guy who he thought "threw" the thing, all in all it was quite entertaining and there is not one to blame but everybody that had a role in the riot is to blame not just one. END OF STORY lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllBoutDaPacers:</div><div class="quote_post">I have ben, sheed, artest, jackson, and tinsley. all who could get suspended.</div> Billups/Colemon/Campbell are suspended too for 1 game or 2... most likely 1 because during the Wallace - Artest altercation, no team members are suppose to leave the bench area if they were on the bench but those three did so we will likely see a suspension for those three too.
Yes, I understand that it wasn;t the right thing...but think about it..Artest, Jackson...they weren't brought up in the best of places..most likely in the rough neighborhoods, especially Artest...Queens, NY, same place I was brought up and it aint the prettiest place... So you would expect a reaction like this from them...not to mention like gotrunks said...as they were trying to help him...fans threw stuff at them as well..did you see how Fred Jones did NOTHING and he got bashed from behind by some fat dude....the FANS should have moved away instead of fueling the fire..
Look at it this way. You're not Ron Artest, you don't know how he was brought up, ou don't know how much it hurt, you wern't in the palace, you didn't throw the bottle, so you can't justify that Ron shouldn't have gone into the stands. For all I'm concerned Mark Madsen would start throwing punches. Darko wouldv'e thrown punches. hell, Larry Brown and his messed up hip would've f*cked somebody up. As long as you have emotions or feelings, you would've done the same thing, media scrutiny or not. (I guess this means Tim Duncan wouldn't have done it. Burn!)
No I am not a pistons fan, I am a basketball fan. For those saying you would have done the same thing, your forget we are talking about PROFESSIONALS. This is no a freaking Street ball game. These players are supposed to act with upmost professionalism, not street thugness. Look at other sports, in baseball and football someone throws something on the field or at a player, they are escorted out. And most times, like 99 percent, the player doesnt not go into the stands. I am not sure about the demographics of this board, but if you played even little leauge or jr. high sports, basketball, anything, that is one of the things you learn not to go into the stands to confront fans. It's called respecting the game. Obviously, nutball's like artest I am not suprised at doing that, but Oneal and Jackson were ones who should have been above this and not followed. If you can't see it as simple as that, then we might as well throw out all laws in our society and live like animals .
def#53, can you read or speak english? READ MY POST CAREFULLY!! I never said anything about RON not or shouldnt have gone into the stands...and jeez watch your language...and this is between me and durvasa, NOT YOU...so stay out and post to yourself..
I never said anything about not being civil or professional, I'm posting to durvasa remarks about JO and SJ...on the previous page, read the debate before you start posting your remarks...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rodney7:</div><div class="quote_post">No I am not a pistons fan, I am a basketball fan. For those saying you would have done the same thing, your forget we are talking about PROFESSIONALS. This is no a freaking Street ball game. These players are supposed to act with upmost professionalism, not street thugness. Look at other sports, in baseball and football someone throws something on the field or at a player, they are escorted out. And most times, like 99 percent, the player doesnt not go into the stands. I am not sure about the demographics of this board, but if you played even little leauge or jr. high sports, basketball, anything, that is one of the things you learn not to go into the stands to confront fans. It's called respecting the game. Obviously, nutball's like artest I am not suprised at doing that, but Oneal and Jackson were ones who should have been above this and not followed. If you can't see it as simple as that, then we might as well throw out all laws in our society and live like animals .</div>Well how often do you see an entire stadium bleacher ful of people start throwing things at you. you keep sayin professionals. Fact of the matter is, the fans were acting like animals as well. Im sure some of them are professionals. Artest acted like a professional by backing away from ben after that initial hit on the court. He didn't retaliate like most people probrably would have expected him to. Instead he went to the score table to cool himself down. BEN EVEN THREW A TOWEL TO HIM WHILE HE WAS LYING DOWN! Talk about unprofessional. A fan not only hits him with beer, but in the face, a plastic cup filled with liquid can hurt if it goes into the eyes. Bottles were also thrown from the crowd. Unforutunately it hit an offical. To top things off, even at the exit for the pacers fans were throwing things at Artest and JOneal. It continued. It did'nt stop after the fight was broken up in the stands. A man, professional or not, can have a lapse and go out of control. Its being human. We all go thru it. It just so happened it was on national TV.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">Well how often do you see an entire stadium bleacher ful of people start throwing things at you. you keep sayin professionals. Fact of the matter is, the fans were acting like animals as well. Im sure some of them are professionals. Artest acted like a professional by backing away from ben after that initial hit on the court. He didn't retaliate like most people probrably would have expected him to. Instead he went to the score table to cool himself down. BEN EVEN THREW A TOWEL TO HIM WHILE HE WAS LYING DOWN! Talk about unprofessional. A fan not only hits him with beer, but in the face, a plastic cup filled with liquid can hurt if it goes into the eyes. Bottles were also thrown from the crowd. Unforutunately it hit an offical. To top things off, even at the exit for the pacers fans were throwing things at Artest and JOneal. It continued. It did'nt stop after the fight was broken up in the stands. A man, professional or not, can have a lapse and go out of control. Its being human. We all go thru it. It just so happened it was on national TV.</div> Fool, thats what fans are. If u are in a league and getting 10 million a year, u hell for sure will expect this kind of fan. A player reacting to this event should be suspended. Ron Artest should be suspended for several seasons, or even get kick out of the league, because this act is not tolerable. If someone starts an assault, and u fight back, you two will get punished no questions asked. My Junior high principal made sure i see that. A professional sportsman should NOT have do this under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, because the fans paid you. Im gonna see artest getting hella sued, and the rest of the crew.
Ron Artest wanted a month off to rest? Well I'm pretty sure he'll get his wish granted now... Oh and I don't buy the "self defense" argument. A cup of beer is not going to kill anyone. Sure I can see how he would be pissed off, but come on - beer does not equal fist to the head. There was only one reason why Artest would jump into the crowd, and that was to beat on the guy who threw the beer. What happens of course? Well he gets the wrong guy, and the guy that did throw the beer threw punches at Artest. So Artest jumping into the crowd WAS NOT self defense The fans punching a raging lunatic WAS self defense The players (ie. Stephen Jackson) who went into the crowd to try to "protect" Artest, maybe 50/50 self defense And again, the fans punching anyone coming at them WAS self defense So do I blame the fans? The one that threw the beer to begin with, yes. The fat guy in the Rip jersey? Yes - he was provoking players and coming onto the court to do so. The ones who punched players who ran into the crowd? No. And Artest? Definitely. Jermaine O'Neal - bonehead, the guy he punched was already surrounded by security and had just taken a punch from Artest. Not likely to be a threat. Stephen Jackson - yes, you could see he was one of guys who couldn't control himself. Suspend them all for 10-15 games. Suspend Artest for 30+.
Wallace overreacted, getting fouled is part of the game. If he can't handle it he should quit. I even saw Jermaine O'Neal slide on the floor toward a fan and hit him in the face which knocked him out. I have a problem with what you said johnny33. You said a beer isn't going to kill you. This statement is true but if you were a PRO would you just sit threre and let fans chuck beer at you from the stands? This is the highest level of disrespect from anyone. It's almost like saying youre a piedce of dirt. Artest should be fined $10,000 to $25,000 for beating the fans head on the chair. Stephen Jackson should be fined just as much. But Ben Wallace is the one who should be suspended for 30+. He was the one that started the whole thing and was provoking Artest. As for the beer throwing fan he should be arrested along with the chair throwing fan.
reading through the posts it seems u guys are finding somebody to blame but i think this whole thing could have been avoided if the pistons stepped in, escorting guys like j.oneil and stephen jackson off the court possibly into their locker room while letting security pacify ron artest. i'm a fan of the league and it looks really bad today to be a nba fan, i say with conviction this is the best sport in the world played by the best athletes and yesterday was pathetic. lucky i live in canada and we didn't get the espn feed live.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">Wallace overreacted, getting fouled is part of the game. If he can't handle it he should quit. I even saw Jermaine O'Neal slide on the floor toward a fan and hit him in the face which knocked him out. I have a problem with what you said johnny33. You said a beer isn't going to kill you. This statement is true but if you were a PRO would you just sit threre and let fans chuck beer at you from the stands? This is the highest level of disrespect from anyone. It's almost like saying youre a piedce of dirt. Artest should be fined $10,000 to $25,000 for beating the fans head on the chair. Stephen Jackson should be fined just as much. But Ben Wallace is the one who should be suspended for 30+. He was the one that started the whole thing and was provoking Artest. As for the beer throwing fan he should be arrested along with the chair throwing fan.</div> It's funny that you seem to let the person that does the most amount of physical damage, the least amount of penalty. So by default then, if some guy was to throw something at you, and u fight them and they end up in the hospital near death, they should be sent to jail while u get a fine. So in your logic, provoking is what should get the main punishment. And yes if you are a PRO, meaning professional, u conduct yourself in a professional manner. Thats what the word emphasizes, if a fan does that one should have enough restraint. These athletes get paid a lot more than doctors and engineers who actually do things more important for society, not only do they get paid more, they get more things for free, and get to be in top shape all the time. With that said they have the life, and if a fan who paid a lot of money to be in the arena and worked to get to the game even acts in that way, a professional should have restraint as they know they have a better life than the fan regardless.
Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest, Jermaine ONeal and Ben Wallace. NO doubt and dont try and change my mind. Suspension rest of the year. The footage of Jermaine ONeal punching the guy in the Jaw is really eye opening. All 4 snapped and they deserve to miss the whole year for something like that. The match was called off just incase no one knew.
again the game wasn't showed here in canada but why were the starters left in with a 15 point lead for the pacers with 44 seconds left, especially considering players and their prior history? the coaches are both well reputed hot heads as well, they helped instigate this.
