Artest suspended For the Season, Jackson 30 Games, JO 25 Games, Wallace 6 games

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it when stuff like this happens in other sports where you don't have a lot of black athletes (baseball or hockey), people don't rush to call them "thugs?" </div>


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

i kinda became a pacer sympathyzer too since last nights brawl. i also began to hate the detroit fans as well.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">They also get paid millions to play the game they way that it is meant to be played. Which doesn't include shoving people when you get your butt kicked on your home court.</div>

Players pushing each other happens all the time, It's no big deal but fans should not get hurt in games. David Stern wants to get across this is a family sport, that slogan has been damaged.

Artest is lucky he isn't in jail right now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it when stuff like this happens in other sports where you don't have a lot of black athletes (baseball or hockey), people don't rush to call them "thugs?" The Pacer's reaction was stupid, but also quite natural given the emotions involved. A person doesn't necessarily require a criminal mentality to do what they did.</div>
I agree wholeheartedly.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it when stuff like this happens in other sports where you don't have a lot of black athletes (baseball or hockey), people don't rush to call them "thugs?" The Pacer's reaction was stupid, but also quite natural given the emotions involved. A person doesn't necessarily require a criminal mentality to do what they did.</div>

exactly! what about those baseball and hockey players that kill each other? and whats worst is that fights in those games happen regularly. i wonder why no one here ever thought about that?

 

does anyone have the video of the fight last night?

 

^ look around the threads,

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Players pushing each other happens all the time, It's no big deal but fans should not get hurt in games. David Stern wants to get across this is a family sport, that slogan has been damaged.

Artest is lucky he isn't in jail right now.</div>
ESPN broke it down very nicely, albeit biased in favour of the Pacers. Think of all the .... crap a player goes through in a game, and given the teams, it will be even more. Right when a fan touches you or throws stuff at you, ESPN said it was all bets off and that was it. IMO, the fans during that game should be given most of the blame. That said, this is a professional sport with players getting paid millions and being pampered for what they do best, and you should never touch a fan(although I see how that would require superhuman strength).


I think that there should have been more restraint, although I don't think that is very possible, given the most controlled perosn in the world. All in all, blame the fans of that game, especiallyu the guy in the hat and blue shirt that threw the beer bar cup @ artest(artest went after the wrong guy in the glasses) he even dared to hit artest in the head a couple of times after. Don't give the players huge, huge suspensions for what the fans escalated, but for the lack of restraint and lack of professionality they showed. Still, I wouldn't be surprised for the league to hand out a season long suspension to Artest.

Oh, and for the fights in the NHL that happen regularly, thats the "hockey culture"(I know, I know, no excuse) and they never involve the fans.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess many people seem to like thugs then? what the Pacers players did was a disgrace. You don't attack and punch fans no matter what. You get paid millions to forget what the fans say or do. Any respect I had for Artest has gone, I'm in total shock what Stephen did though, I would never of thought he would go as low as that, Artest? yes but not Sjax.</div>

You have either seriously flawed logic, or just really naive.

These professional atheletes are HUMAN. Yes they get paid millions to take verbal abuse from the fans, but does anywhere in the contract say "don't retaliate if someone throw a cup of beer, chair, or popcorn at you"?

Yes, that is what I thought. It doesn't.

All the retaliations came from NORMAL HUMAN NATURE. To not react the way the Pacers did last night you would have to be either the biggest HUGEST wussies ever, or someone that just doesn't have any pride or emotions (if you do, seek professional help).

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it when stuff like this happens in other sports where you don't have a lot of black athletes (baseball or hockey), people don't rush to call them "thugs?"</div>

Oh please, put your race card away. This has absolutely nothing to do with race and obviously you don't follow other sports if you think white athletes are never criticized and called thugs.

The most recent bad publicity triggered by on-ice incidents in the NHL which is dominated by white athletes was when Todd Bertuzzi (a white athlete and NHL all-star) sucker punched Steve Moore in the back of the head and broke his neck. Todd Bertuzzi, a white athlete, was called a thug, a punk, a scum bag and every other name in the book. Or how about Tie Domi (also a white athlete) who climbed out of the penalty box and attacked a fan? He was crucified by the media and called a thug as well. Don't try turning this into a race issue, because it is anything but that. Ignorance and stupidity does not discriminate.

 

All I can say is... fantasy players pick up Croshere and Tinsley haha

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting zEx69:</div><div class="quote_post">All I can say is... fantasy players pick up Croshere and Tinsley haha</div>

Done that as soon as I saw the fight last night

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">You have either seriously flawed logic, or just really naive.

These professional atheletes are HUMAN. Yes they get paid millions to take verbal abuse from the fans, but does anywhere in the contract say "don't retaliate if someone throw a cup of beer, chair, or popcorn at you"?

Yes, that is what I thought. It doesn't.

All the retaliations came from NORMAL HUMAN NATURE. To not react the way the Pacers did last night you would have to be either the biggest HUGEST wussies ever, or someone that just doesn't have any pride or emotions (if you do, seek professional help).</div>

Considering they are playing for a championship no one with any common sense would go into the crowd and attack fans and risk getting suspended for the season. I would understand If It was in a bar or a club but at a basketball game? hell no. Yes they are human but there's a line you are told never to cross and thats not to attack fans. Nothing flawed about that logic, anyone who is smart would leave and be the bigger man.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh please, put your race card away. This has absolutely nothing to do with race and obviously you don't follow other sports if you think white athletes are never criticized and called thugs.</div>

You are naive and ignorant. He had a point, it actually has quite a bit to do with race and if you took your shades off you'd realize that the whole thing might not have happened if it wasn't for some of the things that fans were (allegedly) yelling.

It never ceases to amaze me how certain people think that race plays no role in anything .

I was watching a replay of the fight in the lobby of my dorms, and everyone was acting all crazy simply because they players were black. Trying to talk in ebonics saying crap like "Oh snap son! Homey got punked, Thug life!!!!" For you to automatically assume that there is no validity to the racial issues shows that you are oblivious to world issues.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Considering they are playing for a championship no one with any common sense would go into the crowd and attack fans and risk getting suspended for the season. I would understand If It was in a bar or a club but at a basketball game? hell no. Yes they are human but there's a line you are told never to cross and thats not to attack fans. Nothing flawed about that logic, anyone who is smart would leave and be the bigger man.</div>

Are you trying to tell me if you just got into a shoving match in a heated rivalry basketball game and someone threw a freakin cup full of beer at your face, you would take all that Bullcrap into consideration first? The championship, the suspension, the lawsuits, all that junk? Hell freakin no. All that goes out of the window and normal human nature takes over. It's really easy to just sit on a computer and say "yeah, I wouldn't have done that" but put yourself in his shoes. Would you have done the things you said you would? No.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes they are human but there's a line you are told never to cross and thats not to attack fans.</div>

Oh yeah? Who crossed the line first? It was the fan that threw the beer at Artest's face. That's crossing the line. You don't pay x amount of dollars to come to a basketball game and throw stuff at players. That's crossing the line. That's disrespecful. How come I don't see you bashing him?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Any respect I had for Artest has gone.</div>

Yet you REMOVED your Ben Wallace sig, and left the Ron Artest quote in there?

At the same time you claim to disagree with the fact that a lot of jbb has become fans of the (thugged out pacers)? Then why continue to support Artest while removing your Big Ben sig?

I'm going to love this response.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you trying to tell me if you just got into a shoving match in a heated rivalry basketball game and someone threw a freakin cup full of beer at your face, you would take all that Bullcrap into consideration first? The championship, the suspension, the lawsuits, all that junk? Hell freakin no. All that goes out of the window and normal human nature takes over. It's really easy to just sit on a computer and say "yeah, I wouldn't have done that" but put yourself in his shoes. Would you have done the things you said you would? No.</div>

If I was getting paid millions and had a chance to win a championship ring, hell no I wouldn't jump into the crowd and attack fans. Why risk damaging your career and season? I have no problem beating the crap out of people who would throw cups or anything at me anywhere else but at a basketball game there's no point in reacting.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh yeah? Who crossed the line first? It was the fan that threw the beer at Artest's face. That's crossing the line. You don't pay x amount of dollars to come to a basketball game and throw stuff at players. That's crossing the line. That's disrespecful. How come I don't see you bashing him?</div>

The fan was wrong for throwing the cup and should of been arrested and been taken in for questioning but he is just a fan, Artest knew as soon as he jumped the scores table he would be in deep trouble. Why decide to beat up on some weak kids? how does that make someone feel better about themselves? It's like Artest was the school bully again, beating up kids who fail to do his homework for him. In the long run, It hurts Artests career.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Yet you REMOVED your Ben Wallace sig, and left the Ron Artest quote in there?

At the same time you claim to disagree with the fact that a lot of jbb has become fans of the (thugged out pacers)? Then why continue to support Artest while removing your Big Ben sig?

I'm going to love this response.</div>

I'm been planning to change my sig for a couple of months now, It has nothing to do with what happened. The fact someone has kindly gone about making me a new sig, so I replaced It with this one. I also fail to see how a quote from Artest means I support the guy, It's a clever quote from a long time ago, when I look for a new one I may change It. What I have in my sig really has nothing to do with you or anyone else.

People having more respect for the Pacers after what happened is laughable. But you are feel to feel the way do, no matter how odd It may be.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Why decide to beat up on some weak kids? how does that make someone feel better about themselves? It's like Artest was the school bully again, beating up kids who fail to do his homework for him. In the long run, It hurts Artests career.</div>

... How does this situation remotely resemble a school bully beating up kids who fail to do his hw for him???? What the hell? Your analogy is not only horrible, it just doesn't make any sense here. Try again.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm been planning to change my sig for a couple of months now, It has nothing to do with what happened. The fact someone has kindly gone about making me a new sig, so I replaced It with this one. I also fail to see how a quote from Artest means I support the guy, It's a clever quote from a long time ago, when I look for a new one I may change It. What I have in my sig really has nothing to do with you or anyone else.

People having more respect for the Pacers after what happened is laughable. But you are feel to feel the way do, no matter how odd It may be.</div>

Yeah, I'm going to sit here and believe that the timing of the sig change is just extremely ironic.

Either way, we have our opinions. You may think mine are odd, but at least they are logical and not hypocritical. If you think that having an Artest quote isn't supporting him then.....well, haha whatever. Anyway Allnet, let's agree to disagree and not make this personal like so many people in this thread are doing.