Artest suspended For the Season, Jackson 30 Games, JO 25 Games, Wallace 6 games

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yanix:</div><div class="quote_post">weak kids in school that cant put up a fight dont go throwing stuff ad provoking the bully. they were the bullies, probably because they thought they had the advantage in number aka mob mentality. they were practically rioting against artest and he's the bully beating up 5 or more weak guys? hell no</div>

so true, this is what I think too, it's just stupid. If that weak kid was alone with you, he'd be <font color="Blue">*******</font> in his pants.

<font color="Blue"><font size="1">Watch the language. - VC</font></font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">No actually, I don't know what the hell you meant. Seems to me you went searching for one white guy who punched a black guy and wasn't called a thug. It didn't matter if it wasn't true. Who has the blinders on?

This is a PUBLIC forum, dude, that means whatever you say is fair game for ANYONE to comment on it. You can't go around implying people are racist or racially insensitive and not expect to be called on it.</div>

*Walks away like Big Ben should have*

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">care to name a few of those "academic research" studies you have looked at?</div>

here's an article of particular pertinence written by an academic at the institute for society and sport at northwestern university:
http://www.sportinsociety.org/rel-article13.pdf

and btw, i'm well versed in the bigoted dispositions towards blacks that many cuban exiles posses . bautista, your glorified dictator was a notorious bigot, segregating the blacks away from the city but that all changed with the revolution. god bless castro for that. a friend of mine once told me that most exiles don't have any grievances with the communists, just with the blacks that flooded havana after the revolution.

 

Hey Magicfan3 could I use that sig?

 

Yeah it is all yours! Give credit.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">if u have looked at any academic research about sports u know that race penetrates most realms of it, to not acknowledge that would be absurd. just look at the terrel owens/nicollete sheridan incident as a point of reference . would it be a national story if sheridan was in the arms of a white quarterback? No, cause thats the culturally ascribed right of the starting QB to walk away with the pretty blonde. similarly, the analysis of the melee, like it or not will be coloured, obscured by racially motivated predispositions. look at the SI website, they are calling for the ban of ron artest from the NBA. there have been fights at the VIBE awards over the years, including this week and there was no public outcry over that. possibly because all the parties involved, including the victims are black. to not omit race from the discourse is to silence the debate.</div>
You say there was no outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards because the parties involved were black? That is a ridiculous statement. There was no public outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards for numerous reasons, none of which have to do with race. For starters, the Vibe awards had a 24 hour tape delay, the fight did not happen live on national TV like the Pistons/Pacers game and by the time the producers of the Vibe awards were done the fight was completely edited out of the program once it aired the following night and most people weren't even aware that a fight even took place.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i'm well versed in the bigoted dispositions towards blacks that many cuban exiles posses . bautista, your glorified dictator was a notorious bigot, segregating the blacks away from the city but that all changed with the revolution. god bless castro for that. a friend of mine once told me that most exiles don't have any grievances with the communists, just with the blacks that flooded havana after the revolution.</div>

Wow, you really need to stop before this turns ugly. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and leave your racial connotations off JBB.

Also, what the hell is up with that totally random out of the blue PM you just sent me calling the NHL a "barbaric sport with cavemen walking around clubbing each other with sticks"? Don't ever PM me again with such bizarre statements with absolutely zero relevance to anything.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MagicFan3:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah it is all yours! Give credit.</div>

Hey, can I use that sig too, but on another site? I'll give credit...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">There was no outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards "possibly" because the parties involved were black? That is a ridiculous statement. There was no public outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards for numerous reasons, none of which have to do with race. For starters, the Vibe awards had a 24 hour tape delay, the fight did not happen live on national TV like the Pistons/Pacers game and by the time the producers of the Vibe awards were done the fight was completely edited out of the program once it aired the following night and most people weren't even aware what happened.</div>

It is not a ridiculous statement, Accord.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pistons 4 Sho:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey, can I use that sig too, but on another site? I'll give credit...</div>

Ok! Give Credit

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">There was no outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards "possibly" because the parties involved were black? That is a ridiculous statement. There was no public outcry over what happened at the Vibe awards for numerous reasons, none of which have to do with race. For starters, the Vibe awards had a 24 hour tape delay, the fight did not happen live on national TV like the Pistons/Pacers game and by the time the producers of the Vibe awards were done the fight was completely edited out of the program once it aired the following night and most people weren't even aware what happened.

Also, what the hell is up with that PM you just sent me calling the NHL a "barbaric sport with cavemen walking around clubbing each other with sticks"? Don't ever PM me again with such bizarre random BS with absolutely zero relevance to anything.</div>


u get it. my point is how some violence is tolerated and other violence isn?t. when marty mcsorley, the white nhl player clubbed donald brashier (sp.) , a black NHLer over the head, people in the media defended marty and some even derided donald. don cherry, the hockey czar even confronted brashier trying to fight him.

and the vibe awards is just a media crystallization of black on black crime perpetrated daily in the inner cities widely ignored by authorities. statistically blacks who perpetrate a crime against a white person well be dished out a harsher penalty than if they committed the same crime against another black person. that is an empirically verifiable statement btw.

 

The NBA is smart at suspending these players "indefinitely"... by doing this, they show to the world that they are big time concerned about the incident and actually do require more time to discuss the deserving punishment to all the players and fans involved. Had they already handed down the exact suspensions to each of those four players, assumption is that the L is treating "the worst fight in NBA history" as another incident, which is not going to be acceptable to fans and dash any hopes to win back any of fans who were essentially lost after the fight.

Thus, the L "requires more time" to process and discuss the fitting punishment to all players. The punishment sounds so severe... good move by David Stern.

 

Stern said there will be another anouncement tomorrow evening.

 

Rumour-Artest suspended 30 games, JO/Jackson 20 games

And Ben Wallace has been suspended 5 games

Was a breaking news report, I was told by a Pistons in Detroit who heard it on a radio station. Although not confirmed.

Ben Wallace 5 games
Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson 20 games
Ron Artest 30 games

thoughts?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">And Ben Wallace has been suspended 5 games

Was a breaking news report, I was told by a Pistons in Detroit who heard it on a radio station. Although not confirmed.

Ben Wallace 5 games
Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson 20 games
Ron Artest 30 games

thoughts?</div>

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of 15 games for Artest and Jackson and 10 games for O'neal. But the league wanted to send a message with this, and I think it's sensible. Much better than suspending them for the season or kicking them out of the league, which some people were calling for.

I really wish the league could punish those fans, though. It seems to me like they're getting off too easy. But the fans are the customers, and you gotta please the customers. Oh well.

Of course, on the flip side, you could say that Artest is getting off easy. He gets a couple months off, which is more than what he wanted. But he won't get paid for those missed games. Relatively speaking, he doesn't have a high salary as it is, so that'll hurt.

 

The question is now, will the Pacers make the playoffs? may sound odd but It is far from a lock.

 

If that is true, I think its fair.

 

I consider O'Neals suspension a bit too long, I don't remember seeing him throw many punches, except the 1 BIG BLOW, but it was merited, fans are never supposed to be on the court.

Anyways, well deserved for Artest/Jackson.

 

Christmas day just got a lot less interesting.