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I think they got what they deserved Jackson should be a longer an O'neal's also but Artest clearly should be gone for the year. Have fun with your rap album Artest lmao. <font color="red"><font size="1">Double posting is not allowed. Please read our guidelines before continuing forward on JBB. ~Dre</font></font>
Artest really got his "time off." Though I can't agree with the fact that Wallace only got 6 games. He started this whole thing. J' Oneal and Stephen Jackson shoulda got 15-20, and the whole bench getting up thing, was the right thing, by official rules to do. 1 game bans for anyone who got up from the bench.. Both the teams should be fined, IMO, and it seems that the Christmas match-up, wasn't what we're hoping for. The East has really changed now, expect teams like the Cavs and Bucks to do some major damage in that Division. I won't count the Pacers out yet, but the divisioin winning hopes do look a little damaged.. Just my two cents.
lmao next jordan are u serious all ben did was push artest in the face. Then the Pacers ran into the stands an started punching fans. U must be telling us a joke or something ?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DaAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">lmao next jordan are u serious all ben did was push artest in the face. Then the Pacers ran into the stands an started punching fans. U must be telling us a joke or something ?</div> Ok man but the push was uncalled for i mean cmon ben started it and look what the result was and the fan too what did you want artest to do?
But u have to think about it. We all know why Artest did what he did to Ben. He is a dirty player an he was trying to take a cheap shot at Wallace. An Ben didn't start it if Artest has any self control at all he wouldn't have went into the fans an punching random people. So say u got hit with a cup you would wildly run in there an start punching people not knowing who did it.
what ben did (shove another player) is something that happens VERY often in the nba if you havent noticed. There are little fights like that all the time. In fact 6 games for it is way more than what usually would have been given.. what artest/jermaine/jackson did was unprecedented though, and Stern is trying to make sure this sort of thing never happens again
Man DaAnswer, those mods were tearing you up above. Artest done? Try just re-phrasing that and just say the Pacers are done. No Artest, No Reggie, No JO, No Jackson = totally *ucked
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DaAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">lmao next jordan are u serious all ben did was push artest in the face. <u>Then the Pacers ran into the stands an started punching fans.</u> U must be telling us a joke or something ?</div> You've got to be kidding? Artest controlled himself and just laid back. Then a fan threw a beer at his face. He did what any NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, and regular person would do. Get your facts straight.
You know, while everyone is freaking out about Artest, I can't see it actually being that long of a suspension. You have to think that the NBAPA will step in and launch a huge appeal process for Artest and get the suspension knocked down. It may still be for 40-50 games, but I expect the suspension (quietly though, so that it flies under the radar of the fairweather NBA fans) to be reduced upon appeals. I think the JO suspension was too harsh, considering that he didn't go looking for the fight nearly as much as the fight came looking for him. I know he had the clearest punch of the night, but IMO if you come on the court, you get what is coming to you. The Jackson suspension was right on, cause he went into the stands looking for a fight, not to play peacekeeper.
the reason artest's is worse is that he was the first to actually hit a fan in the whole ordeal jackson/oneal could have an argument that they were just standing up for/defending artest/themselves. no one is arguing that what artest did was justified on some level. But just because you or I would do it doesnt mean we would or should get away with no punishment.. this whole punishment process is just the nba taking steps to make sure players never get involved with fans again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok man but the push was uncalled for i mean cmon ben started it and look what the result was and the fan too what did you want artest to do?</div> ya know what else was uncalled for? artests unnecessary foul on ben. that hard a foul, in that type of game situation was totally uncalled for in itself...so how did ben start it? everyone mentions how artest was just reacting to an action...ben did the same thing either way...there have been plenty of meelee's of pushing and shoving in the nba...how many have lead to what happend? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting LeBron:</div><div class="quote_post">You've got to be kidding? Artest controlled himself and just laid back. Then a fan threw a beer at his face. He did what any NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, and regular person would do. Get your facts straight.</div> controlled? sure he was under control, but clearly taunting by laying down where he was and the way he was. he was trying to be all cocky, it sure seemed evident to me. these guys arent normal people...they are role models whether they like it or not. they get paid millions of dollars to play a game. its up to them to be the "bigger man". he is in a position where he should be showing some more self-control. besides...its so easy to say anyone else would do it...well, not everyone or anyone has done it...he did it, so he has to face the consequences. to top it all off...he went after the wrong guy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DaAnswer3:</div><div class="quote_post">I think they got what they deserved Jackson should be a longer an O'neal's also but Artest clearly should be gone for the year. Have fun with your rap album Artest lmao. <font color="red"><font size="1">Double posting is not allowed. Please read our guidelines before continuing forward on JBB. ~Dre</font></font></div> It's a R&B album damnit! :mrgreen: but it is though. But man he was having the best season of his entire career and now it's all down the drain. Friggin insane in the mihmbrain like Cypress Hill. O and Ben Wallace pushing him in the face I can understand. I've played against dirty players and when ish like that happens I don't care if your Ghandi you would get pissed. I don't know if Artest had some cheap shots in earlier. But I'm pretty sure he got some shots in on some of Ben's teammates and that too can get on players nerves.
i guess that's just how detroit fans are, booed the canadian national anthem on the playoffs years back, then this. it's wrong for artest and the other players to go to the stands, same for those detroit fans (not in general) hehehe. anyway the artest suspension was too much. so what happens with the fans that were involved anyway?
I think Artest, Jackson, and O'Neil got EXACTLY what they deserved, but Ben Wallace had a slap on the wrist for what he should have gotten... Not only did he push Artest really hard in the face for a foul that ANY player would do (that did not look like a hard foul; it looked clean to me), but then he chased Artest... I mean it was only a SIX GAME SUSPENSION... it should have at least been 15 IMO considering it caused the whole thing... ^This is the only thing that really ticked me off... I agree that Artest should not have ran into the stands and started throwing punches... I don't believe that Jackson should have ran in with Artest to pick a fight, but trying to stop Artest instead... O'Neil... well, I'm of mixed opinions... I think he should have decked that Pistons fan that was actually DUMB ENOUGH to walk ON COURT and pick a fight with the Pacers... but well, it was still wrong to do it... But there could be some good news out of this: 1. Fred Jones, James Jones, David Harrison, Scot Pollard (when he's healthy again), and Austin Croshure get some great experience while our three players are suspended 2. Fred Jones will probably end up being a starter after these suspensions (especially if he keeps puttin' up 30 points again like he did against Orlando) 3. David Harrison will probably be a starter (or share HEAVY minutes) after these suspenions (again... especially he keeps puttin' up 19 points, 8 rebounds) 4. O'Neil and Jackson gets time to make sure they're healthy (O'Neil in particular), improve upon their game, enable Jackson to get in with team chemistry, and for the two to improve on their conditioning 5. With the games that we do lose without O'Neil and Jackson, it will give the Pacers a better draft pick in the '05 draft... 6. A starting line-up with an improved David Harrison and Fred Jones would look like this when O'Neil and Jackson return: PG - Tinsley SG - Jones (I would say SF, but he's only 6'2") SF - Jackson (I would say SG, but he's 6'8" (I think)) PF - O'Neil C - Harrison This is not exactly... erm... proven, but I think it could turn out very well... besides Shaq, Harrison is just about the biggest center in the East and I think he could put up 20-10 consistently with a little experience; Jones plays the 2nd best man-on-man defense on the Pacers behind Artest, has worked on his shooting, and can drive; O'Neil owns in the East at the 4 spot; Tinsley is an under-rated PG (he's averaging 8.3 assists per game); and Jackson can hit they trey, and he also plays great man-on-man defense lol... maybe I over-analyze things... *rolls eyes* But seriously... I still think the Pacers will be one of the top 4 seeds in the East again this year... I'm almost positive they won't be #1 or #2, but they have a good chance at #3 or #4 even still... The reason I say this is because ALL you people are forgetting ONE MAJOR thing: the Pacers have had for the past 5 years or so (and still do) the best bench in the NBA... and that has been proven thus far for the fact that we pushed a rising Orlando Magic team to the wire with only SIX players (none of them were starters... NOT ONE)
Artest has even been taken out of the All-Star ballot. It really seems like everyone in the NBA is out to get him, which is not fair at all.
the big winners from all of this is Detroit. Their only real competition in their division and arguably in the conference has been castrated. Ben Wallace (Pistons) played at home so they have an entire Arena on their side so by making a huge seen out of this he (Ben) unintentionally got the crowd involved. IMO it's just not fair that Artest got suspended for the entire season and Ben Wallace didn't get an equal punishement. It's unfair because it gives Detroit an easier ride to the Finals (again). I'm not saying that Ben Wallace should be suspended from the entire season but if you're gonna take away a key player from the Pacers then the Pistons should go the rest of the season without Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">I heard Reggie got suspended for a game too. Why?</div> Because he left the bench. I think that one was injust. Miller with his broken hand was trying to prevent Artest from doing anything more stupid. He was a saint. I think Stern really needs to reinvestigate for better punisments especially a rule broken for a benefit.
