i can understand why people may be thinking things about the fans......it wasnt all of uss however. But the main point i want to bring up is why people are saying they lost respect for the pistons? sure ben shoved ron....but thas about where the pistons take in this situation ended. So can any pacer fans or whu ever has no love for the pistons please tell me why this brawl makes u dislike or hate the pistons...thk u
arrogance... honestly, do you think the fans would act that way in, lets say Phoenix. I doubt it, because the Pistons won the championship last year, they think they can bully whoever they want. I do respect some fans...but to me it looked like everyone on that side of the arena was in the mix...throw beer, popcorn, jesus christ even a CHAIR...
i think that people dislike the pistons because of wallace's overreaction to artests not-so-flagrant fowl. ben wallace instigated the anger betwee the sides and the fans took it as an example to follow and lead an attack of their own. some of the pistons acted admirably, like rasheed who acted as a peacemaker.
ok so because Ben pushed artest and "instigated" the fight....you hate the entire Team?? makes sense, i dont understand why the pistons, are being held responsible for the fans actions. the fan was probably drunk and saw ron lying down as an oppurtunity to do something. so he tossed beer. lemme ask you guys this...if ron artest didnt lie on the table..do you think we would be having this conversation?
I think we would, the fan would still have thrown something...hit maybe stephen jackson...and there you go
It's always a couple ruining every thing for everyone else. Have u heard "impression"? That game was on national TV and probably gave every viewers the worst impression possible.
I don't like the Pistons because of rival animosity between the Pacers and Pistons... the brawl (which WAS STARTED by the Ben Wallace and the Piston fans) just made me lose any respect I had for the Piston fans and Ben Wallace... In other words: I never liked the Pistons or their fans, but I used to respect them... but ever since the brawl I have little respect for Ben Wallace or Piston fans... I cannot say I completely have no respect for the Pistons... it was just Ben Wallace who caused everything... To me, no FAN has the right to throw things (no matter how pathetic an item is) at a PLAYER just because the opposing team is a major rival of your hometeam... there are some fans (the guy that threw the cup--I'm guessing--was one of them) that actually believe they can do anything they want to the player because the players are there to "entertain" them... which is completely true in the sense to watch a basketball game... but they take it a step further and think they can actually get involved into whatever they want with the players... THAT'S COMPLETELY WRONG... Now, I may say this and make you think I back Artest's actions... well, you're wrong... I think he was way in the wrong to reciprocate on the fans for their actions... As far as the fan goes... I am TRYING to not judge the rest of you fans because the guy that threw the cup is a convicted felon... but it's hard to think other-wise when I see HUNDREDS of fans in the Palace throwing popcorn, beer, and CHAIRS at the players... sorry... I'm rambling, but I'm having a hard time to convey how I feel about this incident... -I never liked the Pistons or their fans -I have always respected the Pistons and their fans -since the brawl, I have no respect for Ben Wallace and the Piston fans -I still have respect, though, for the rest of the Pistons team -I know that most Piston fans would not act that way at a game, but it's hard for me NOT to think that when I see so many people doing that There... that's my summary of what I'm trying to say so ignore everything else... hahahaha
lol ok, i can respect your guys aspects and points on why you may dislike Ben or the Fans that were involved. there were many fans involved. but there was a whole 3 more sides of the arena. plus the rest of us sitting at home. I dont think all fans are this crazy. just some jackasses that take things too serious. for the fans that participated in this, i have no respect for them. but i think the rest of us pistons fans...and the rest of the fans around the league for that matter can control or urges way better then that. and so Ben pushed artest...so what, how many times has players been pushed, how many times has artest been the one doing the pushing...forget it...its over with theres no going back. However i do belive artest should be suspended. i think this suspension is too long. he should have gotten 40 at least.
What ben wallace did to artest was no different then what happens every other game you pacer fans are condeming him but he didn't deserve that suspension. He at worst deserved a technical. Granted, due to the suspensions of the the pacer players the league had no choice but to suspend him, but c'mon no way in hell do you lose respect for one the leagues greatest gentleman. Just because of some jackass fan's. I would be pissed at everyone if my best players were out for signifient time but they brought in on theirselves.
Ben Wallaced pushed Artest and started yeling at him.... which in turn hyped up the whole drunk crowd of Detroit "blue-collar workmen." They didn't have the sense to know what they were doing... and Ben just got them all rawled up. Since all the fans think they are the best team in the league and can do whatever they want to the opposing players like throw beer, popcorn, chairs... all that stuff. The way those fans acted, I couldn't believe it at all. When the brawl was finally over and Artest was being carried into the Lockerroom... what happens??? Fans were throwing beer, popcorn, food, chairs... anything they could find to throw. They're lucky Artest was sprayed with Mace or he would've gone after each one of them too, and they all deserve it those ignorant fans.
for the fans that stepped to artest to fight they got what they deserved there but the innocent fan the artest attacked didnt deserve what he got
pacer_dude ben wallace maybe did push artest but it isn't like that doesn't happen every week but it was really artest who started it all by layin on the table. if artest would have just kept on playin then he wouldn't be in a season long suspension. but since he layed on the officials table then some drunk idiotic pistons fan who threw a beer. but u say that there were hundreds of people throwin stuff, well there were at least 20000 people at that game because of how big a game like pistons-pacers is and if u have a hundred people throwin things remember that there are 19900 fans left NOT throwin things. so u just can't lose all respect for ben wallace when he just reacted after a rough foul. and u can't lose respect for millions of pistons fans around the world just because some lame arse 0,5% of the spectators in a pistons game throw things, then u should judge those hundred. its just like judging all muslims because of al-qaida. i hope that u have gotten my point here.
Ben pushed Artest because he thought it was a hard foul during "garbage time". I can totally relate. That was the first time Ben has done somthing like that. You can't hate him for that. He even called and apologized to Artest. You need to hate Ron Artest for putting himself and the rest of his team in danger by running into the stands.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting elijahser:</div><div class="quote_post">pacer_dude ben wallace maybe did push artest but it isn't like that doesn't happen every week but it was really artest who started it all by layin on the table. if artest would have just kept on playin then he wouldn't be in a season long suspension. but since he layed on the officials table then some drunk idiotic pistons fan who threw a beer. but u say that there were hundreds of people throwin stuff i hope that u have gotten my point here.</div> He was put on the scorers table because Ben Wallace was trying to fight him even after the two were separated after the first push by Wallace. Artest just waited things to cool down and Ben lost his nerve completely and was throwing towels and headband in Artest direction. Someone there said that that push didn't deserved suspension, maybe only a technical foul - wtf? If that's not a suspension then I don't know what is. Ben was totally out of control - throwing things and yelling. Maybe 6 games was too much but under those circumstances (artest - season, others - long suspensions) it was justified.
did u maybe read everything i wrote like that those hundred are just a tiny percent of the viewers at the palace that night and how can u blame a whole society for the actions of a minority?
Wouldnt you think this would have happened in every other arena?? All fans either throw stuff or do sumthin stupid when they dont like whats going on and think they can do something about it. I bet the same ting would have happened if this happened in Indy. But Ron Artest was stupid enough to go in the stands, I know that the fan threw it but he has no business going after the guy and he attacked the WRONG GUY. Everyone overeacted and the security did a bad job. I would hate my rivals to just like I hate Indiana as a Pistons fan. But every Pistons fan isnt like that guy who threw the beer bottle or pop or w/e that was. HE doesnt represent the Pistons fans. You judging the whole Pistons fans by one stupid arrogant fan who was stupid. I imagine that u pacer fasn hate the Pistons but u should still respect us for what we do on the court not what happened in the stands, that was the guys fault not Pistons players. All BEn did was shove him but Artest knew that was coming, he was being brutla throughout the entire game and Ben couldnt just let him keep doing that. If Artest was all that, he would have done something about BEn shoving him, but he didnt and some Pacer fans say he didnt wasnt to get suspended. So he thinks if you attack a fan, you wont get a suspension?? And Stephen Jackson, it was a mistake getting him in the first place, he had no business going up there with Artest. I respect Jermaine Oneal, he didnt do anyhting until he was hit, then he started to fight back and hit that guy who had no business being on the court in the first place. YOu might hate me for writing this but thats the way it is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ludacris06:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben pushed Artest because he thought it was a hard foul during "garbage time". I can totally relate. That was the first time Ben has done somthing like that. You can't hate him for that. He even called and apologized to Artest. You need to hate Ron Artest for putting himself and the rest of his team in danger by running into the stands.</div> Thats false Ben Wallace was on ESPN and admitted that he did not call Artest. HE said he felt like he didnt need to call him to apologize
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting i3crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">Wouldnt you think this would have happened in every other arena?? All fans either throw stuff or do sumthin stupid when they dont like whats going on and think they can do something about it. I bet the same ting would have happened if this happened in Indy. But Ron Artest was stupid enough to go in the stands, I know that the fan threw it but he has no business going after the guy and he attacked the WRONG GUY. Everyone overeacted and the security did a bad job. I would hate my rivals to just like I hate Indiana as a Pistons fan. But every Pistons fan isnt like that guy who threw the beer bottle or pop or w/e that was. HE doesnt represent the Pistons fans. You judging the whole Pistons fans by one stupid arrogant fan who was stupid. I imagine that u pacer fasn hate the Pistons but u should still respect us for what we do on the court not what happened in the stands, that was the guys fault not Pistons players. All BEn did was shove him but Artest knew that was coming, he was being brutla throughout the entire game and Ben couldnt just let him keep doing that. If Artest was all that, he would have done something about BEn shoving him, but he didnt and some Pacer fans say he didnt wasnt to get suspended. So he thinks if you attack a fan, you wont get a suspension?? And Stephen Jackson, it was a mistake getting him in the first place, he had no business going up there with Artest. I respect Jermaine Oneal, he didnt do anyhting until he was hit, then he started to fight back and hit that guy who had no business being on the court in the first place. YOu might hate me for writing this but thats the way it is.</div> I dont hate the fans, I hate the team I think its unfair to stereotype by saying "all of the fans" I do think everyone overreacted, from Ben throwing the towel on Artest to Ron going into the crowd. As for Jax, he was out of control but we need him this season. He can get us over the hump. We knew when we got him he was a hot-head
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting netnexus:</div><div class="quote_post">i think that people dislike the pistons because of wallace's overreaction to artests not-so-flagrant fowl. ben wallace instigated the anger betwee the sides and the fans took it as an example to follow and lead an attack of their own. some of the pistons acted admirably, like rasheed who acted as a peacemaker.</div> and to top it off he took no responcibility by his comment at the end of the game...."I didn't start the fight...I dont know why I am being punished." If your going to bring fighting and negativity on the court how can you expect any less of your fans?
