<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I have been very disappointed with Dunleavy so far this season to say the least. After last season I really believed that he could be a true leader and go to guy on this team. He has just been horid this season and I'm tired of waiting for him to develope into this "star" we have all been waiting for. We got Pietrus, send Dunleavy's ass outta here.</div> Finally you are coming around. I was wondering when you would see the light!
I completely agree with you cliff. How can people be ragging on Jrich when he started off horribly but Dunleavy has done nearly nothing so far this year. I have been Jrich, Murphy, and Dunleavy's worst critics at the beginning of the season when they were stinking it up. Dunleavy put up some decent numbers. If he could average those numbers for the whole season that he got in his best games I would be happy, but he obviously has not done that. Jrich is getting better while Dunleavy is getting worse...
Because we expect a lot more out of JRich than we do Dunleavy, atleast I do anyways. Cliff- How long are we going to pay these guys to "develope" and struggle? Shouldn't they be improving? I know I am just growing impatient watching the Warriors stink it up for another season but I'm tired of waiting of this so-called star to develope.
Besides the fact that it is only 10-11 games into the season, I think Jrich has shown us over the last few games what he is capable of and has shown improvement every year and all star type numbers. Although, you should score 28pts if you shoot the ball 28 times...But you cant discount the rebounds and assists. Assists are hard to get if your team mates cant score...
Cliff- How long are we going to pay these guys to "develope" and struggle? Shouldn't they be improving? I know I am just growing impatient watching the Warriors stink it up for another season but I'm tired of waiting of this so-called star to develope. I don't know Rudeezy. That is management's decision. Like I was saying a few months ago, when the Warriors wanted to fire Musselman and bring in Montgomery to "teach" and help develop these players, this was what we were going to have to expect. We should have expected a bad start. And we should have expected the Warriors to have somewhat weak talent no their roster, until these players "develop" which is supposed to happen quicker now since Montgomery is here. That is what management said. Fans, management, players, local media etc. all thought these players were top dogs after last year's success, even though somehow the success was a failure in some of managements eyes. You can try to figure that one out, I've tried too hard, and there isn't really a good answer besides the management is really really bad. Yeah I am going all over the place right now. But this is what the Warriors do. They don't try to trade for superstars or stars, and they don't ever have enough cap space to sign a star, from previous bad management moves. Thus the only way they can try to put some decent players on the court is by trying to develop their "young" players. I don't think anybody would be happy watching Fisher, Cheaney, Najera, Clifford, and Dale Davis start and play the majority of the minutes. Shoot they don't even try to keep their own good players either, such as Arenas, Jamison, Dampier, Boykins, Cardinal, etc. Not even their good coach. If you have a way for the Warriors to get star players without trading for a star or signing a star from free agency, then I would like to hear your strategy. But other than that, we are stuck with what we have, and we can't go back, which sucks. I mean if you want to say that management sucks, then I could have told you that a couple offseasons ago. But I don't think it's right to bash Jason though when he's been playing the best out of anyone else on the team lately though. I mean Dunleavy gets the wind knocked out of him by Sesay and Dunleavy leaves practice early. While Jason is playing with a broken finger or something and he keeps chugging away. A trade would be hopeful for this team, I mean it could only get better, right? But the only players that are tradeable are Dale Davis, Clifford Robinson, Cheaney, Dunleavy, and Speedy Claxton. I don't think anybody would want Fisher or Foyle. JRich and Murphy are hard to trade, like it's been said. And I hope the Warriors don't trade Biedrins or Pietrus. And Dale Davis and Clifford Robinson are going to provide cap relief, so there has to be some consideration of that as well. Jason Kidd would be a good fit, but his contract is massive. He would probably have to restructure it a little like KG did to help bring in more players or to keep their players though. But then again with that new partnered ownership or i think that's what it is with those San Jose people, maybe they are more willing to spend money. And JKidd, JRich, Pietrus, Murphy, and Foyle(Biedrins) can't be too bad, especially when you consider all of the other draft picks we have...But then again would Jason Kidd like this offense at all? No running and all passers are 5 feet or shorter. Maybe if the Nets want cap space they might accept a JKidd and Aaron Williams for Speedy, Dale Davis, and Clifford Robinson deal. Both Kidd and Speedy get to go home, I think.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">Great post clif25.</div> I thought it was a good post too because he brought up something that doesn't get brought up very much which is that Jrich has been playing with injuries to his hand which makes anything he touches painful. He also is our best player, why do you think he draws the other team's best defender and double teams on ocassion. Also Clif's right: How can we sign a major free agent when we've lacked an adequate coaching system in addition to having a winning reputation that would make FA's want to come play in Oakland? Amare Stoudamire would rather play in Phoenix than come to Oakland during the 2002 draft. That's sad. What's also sad is they put too much hope on Dunleavy being able to replace Antwan Jamison. I'm sorry but Jason at 5th overall pick in 2001 beats Dunleavy jr. 3rd overall in 2002. Why not Nene or Wilcox or any power forward on that list? You obviously knew that murphy was going to struggle if he played power forward forever. I mean most fans could have told you that Dunleavy would have been totally bad. It's like the Rafael Araujo Toronto pick.
Typical game where there was no inside presence whatsoever so the W's kept trying to make jumpshots but couldn't connect. Richardson is still playing injured and look really bad on defense at times. Pietrus played pretty amazing though. The guy got fouled as he pump faked a 3 and then made it in continuation after he got body bumped. He's also demonstrated pretty quick ballhandling skills but he needs some more spin moves and crossovers like Claxton to be more dangerous one on one. He also shoots too many 3's at times... Claxton had the best game overall and got to the line many times. Pretty much a given when you rule in the speed/quickness department over your matchup. Dunleavy picked up some pretty quick fouls and actually showed emotion in tonight's game as he put on his angry face. Defensively it wasn an okay game until we kept getting burned left and right by their guards (Brunson, Simmons, Ross) We need to improve that perimeter defense a bit because Richardson/Dunleavy just don't cut it in my eyes.
I'm sorry but Dunleavy just doesn't seem to have much upside, he's like Derek Fisher. A slow player that looked great on a high calibur team. Plus look at how many awards guys like Chris Mullin had after they left college. What did Dunleavy get again? Also they just need to sit Richardson down he is killing the team. He's injured, he shouldn't be playing, he is simply not that great with his left hand. Murph should sit too before his problem gets worse as well...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">We need to just throw Pietrus and Biedrens to the wolves...</div> If those guys are my future yes I would. I would start them learning Monty's system early so they get really used to it. It starts with defense and ends with defense. Too bad we couldn't get Steve Nash. I have a feeling we'd get more fastbreaks and better outside shooting if we had a player like him in our rotation. He's like one of my favorite point guards and he is not a bad as a defender as people say. He's about as good Mike Bibby which is... average nothing to get upset at him for. I probably would have overpaid for him because hey were talking about doing that for Jason Kidd.
I think that the first problem that the Warriors need to address is a lack of inside presence. Somebody that is strong enough to command a double team inside that will leave shooters open. I think that the Dunleavy experiment can officially be call a failure and Mullin needs to recognized this and try to trade him to bring a big man. I'm personally very frustrated with the execution of this team The worst keep secret in the NBA is that the Warriors can't shoot if their life depended on it That brings us to the second issue which is the fact that we need a shooter in the worst way. I know that a new system is hard to learn but, the facts are facts. We need a PF/C that commands a double team and a SF/SG that can shoot. I know that Murphy and Richardson are trying to hard due to their contracts but, I believe that if we get a shooter and a PF/C that commands a double team; the team should be able to wake up and win games. Dunleavy needs to go to another situation, he defitnatley won't make it in golden state.
Well I'm getting ready to go to the game at staples center and i hope to be able to get pics taken with Najera, J-rich or Murphy. I hope we win today and if anything else that the warriors take it hard to the basket.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duckmyster:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I'm getting ready to go to the game at staples center and i hope to be able to get pics taken with Najera, J-rich or Murphy. I hope we win today and if anything else that the warriors take it hard to the basket.</div> Awesome. Well even though the W's lost (again ), you can finally meet those players and support them.
richardson is not the best player we have. After 3 years as a starter his improvements are very little if none. he still can't dribble, still can't play D, and still can't get to the free throw line. Face it folks he sucks, he's been a starter his whole career and gasn't made any major improvements. i'd rather have Pietrus and Dunleavy on the floor at the same time, at least they are smart bball players... JRich just doesn't have it.
I don't think anyone is a Jrich fan unless he's posterizing someone. That's the only thing I like about him really because he is not the kind of defensive player and offensive player that makes everyone around him better. I'd rather have Doug Christie than him at times because at least he can dribble, shoot some, hit free throws, and play defense. I just cannot stand players that don't have the ability to play defense unless their offensive production outweighs all their weaknesses. I'll give Jrich a break since he's injured but he's acting pretty dumb right now on the court.
I'm dissapointed in J-Rich. He's the only one who can score, but cannot handle the ball. We should play Seasy and Pietrus intead of JR and Dunleavy
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriors #1:</div><div class="quote_post">Oops. I messed up. At the end it is : We should paly Seasy and Pietrus instead of JR and Dunleavy</div> I will go with that right now if you put Biedrens in for Murphy too....
