i think using your questions as a frame of reference and my initial post is that we should to do the trade for cap relief and allow bosh to develop. again, where are we going with two perimeter, synthetic stars occupying half of our cap?
Honestly, the only way I see our team going with these two players is a few seasons of mediocrity while we wait for their contracts to expire. Moving them is the only solution to improve our team. Sometimes you have to rebuild to move forward. That said, rushing a trade could be as harmful as keeping both of these players.
The only problem is how the casual fan will take it, I think that's what Babcock is looking at right now, if we don't get guys that will at least push us into the playoffs, people aren't going to be happy as we've been out of the playoffs for a while now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The only problem is how the casual fan will take it, I think that's what Babcock is looking at right now, if we don't get guys that will at least push us into the playoffs, people aren't going to be happy as we've been out of the playoffs for a while now. </div> He can't be thinking about the "casual fan". The casual fan will always be there. The casual fan didn't know have one clue who Vince Carter was when he was drafted in 1998. All the casual fan knows is the starting five of the Toronto Raptors and the Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant's of the league. Fact is, we're trying to win a championship here, that is why there is a team of Toronto. The way to build a championship team is to have a solid squad that wins basketball games. Obviously, we haven't been winning for the past 3 or so years so clearly it's time for a radical change. Here's an idea! Why not trade a fading superstar in Vince Carter that even the casual fan is starting to hate. Winning changes everything. If we start winning, Vince Carter will just be another player to boo for the casual fan and everything will be forgotten.
i think spawn is right, the casual fan is going to have to take it sometime, we can't just leave fading vince here forever
good points spawn, the fairweather fan didn't know mighty mouse, tmac, cb4 or vince when they were drafted and who really cares about the peripheral fan anyways. if the raptors play well, people will show up.
Babcock is also thinking of his job, if he makes a situation where the team isn't winning, therefore not attracting fans and not producing much revenue, people will not go to games, and Bab's won't be GM for long. So I think he's trying to find a situation that will help us future wise while also helping us now. Whether you think so or not, the casual fan is probably about 75% of those that go to the games, we, the fans that analyze everything and really get into it are not the majority of those that pay for the tickets and pay the players salaries. I think you guys got a little lost here, my argument is not that the casual fan will miss Vince, who cares about that, it's that the casual fan isn't willing to accept anymore losing seasons, so we have to make a trade that will benefit us well, not just do nonsense.
accept losing? we have been in existence for 10 years and we have had sub .500 records for 8 of those 10 miserable seasons. plus, babcock has a lot of job security, i don't think mlse is going to give up on the dude when they have an entire marketing campaign around him.
I think a lot of fans would be more fed up if Babcock was fired for such a stupid reason as trying to rehshape the team. The biggest complaint with this team has been the stability of its' front office, and I think people would be more tolerant of losses if they knew there was some light at the end of the tunnel.
Winning more than 41 games is still not considered losing to people, people just want the team to at least make the playoffs, even if they're the 8th seed, at least they're in there, that'll give people a hope of if we're 8th seed, then next year we can improve to something like 5th. Just not making the playoffs gives them no hope unless the East is like the West last year where you can win 40+ games and not make it. We made the playoffs for a few years in a row and have won 20 something games, and 33 games, people won't be happy with that, this isn't Los Angeles where people don't care if the Clippers win or lose, they just need somewhere to go on a date and just want to see some dunks. I say we get a center, some young guy, and a draft pick, or maybe an expiring contract somewhere there. Having a center should keep us from being killed by anyone that weighs more than 250 lbs , and draft picks are always nice as long as we don't get Araujo's brother Donello Araujo. Rather than just trade for some useless guys that will make us worse and not secure a future for the team which is what some people just want to do now.
there is one dude that can cure the raptors ills, his name is Earl Watson, the best poing guard u never heard of. make the trade with memphis if u can and try and insert jalen in the scenario, possibly taking back one of their bad contracts like cardinal or battier.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting banks13:</div><div class="quote_post">boy do you people have longgggg posts</div> yea...i sure do hate reading on the internet
Also, there is no guarentee that CB4 will elect to stay once his rookie contract is up. Get rid of the poison now so that he is not left with a bad taste in his mouth come time to re-sign. Part of McGrady's issues and to the reasons why he left had to do a lot with the way he was managed by Darrly Walker. Do you think at this present moment that CB4 wants to be a Raptors for life....I doubt it.
he has no choice, he has to stay, hes a resticted free agent and raptors will give him a max contract
Carter and Rose to bid farewell? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> With the weaknesses in the flawed Toronto roster becoming more apparent with each mounting defeat, the sense around the team and the league is that something will happen soon. "I'd say 10 days at the most," one league source told the Star yesterday. "He's got to do something." The key components in any trade remain Vince Carter and Jalen Rose, tied together for financial, as well as basketball, reasons. </div> Link: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...ol=970081593064 Personally, I don't see what this is saying. One league source simply said "10 days at the most" and said Babcock had to do something, Hhe never said anything was going down. Either way, its good to see that these two are probably gonna leave soon. Although, I don't want a nobody. I want to know what team(s) are we gonna possibly trade with. Please, try to refrain from making too many trade proposals. That's what the sticky is for.
