<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Then Butler??</div> Well, I don't know...I'm not happy with Butler right now, but for Johnson...I'm willing to give Butler another chance, since JJ is a true SG. Out of all trade possibilities, I still think we need a decent PG first, then look for a starting PF so we can move Odom down to SF...even if that means trading Butler for a PF.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I don't know...I'm not happy with Butler right now, but for Johnson...I'm willing to give Butler another chance, since JJ is a true SG. Out of all trade possibilities, I still think we need a decent PG first, then look for a starting PF so we can move Odom down to SF...even if that means trading Butler for a PF.</div> I see good idea.
How about some Free Agents? I'd like to see the Lakers add some toughness like a Tyrone Hill, Keon Clark, Lawrence Funderburke, Popeye Jones. The Lakers need a goon on the team until Brian Grant gets healthy. I'm actually surprised no one has signed Keon Clark to the league minimum, he's a solid shot blocker and has some nice post up moves.
I didn't check if this worked, but a deal like this I believe will work for all sides: Milwauke Receives: Caron Butler $1,920,560 Luke Jackson $1,818,720 Clevelands/LA's first rounder for 2005 (Not sure if they have it) Cleveland Receives: Michael Redd 3,000,000 Slava Medvedenko Unknown Lakers Receive: Eric Snow $4,875,00 You could add some fillers in there to make it work, but I'm not sure who to add. Snow does not fair well as a backup, and he's in Silas's doghouse. However, the Cavs really like Redd, so they'll do this. They could acquire someone like Pargo from the Bulls, or Strickland from the Bucks(more of a 2), to do the backup job in Cleveland. Lakers finally get a starting Point Guard, a real Point, who can play D as well. A pass first player, that'll be a good fit with the Lakers. The trade also opens up minutes for Odom at the 3, and minutes overall for George and Walton, if activated. Jackson and Butler will get their oppurtunities in the Milwaukee. This team will be run by their swingmen after this yesar with Mason, Butler and Jackson. They also get a first rounder from the Cavs or Lakers Cleveland gets a 2nd option to LeBron, and a guy that has been on their target for a while. This deal, could make them NBA Finals bound. They also get Medvedenko who can backup Gooden, and start if there's an injury Your thoughts?
I like Snow a lot, but I would never trade Butler for him straight up, let alone butler, slava, AND a draft pick for him... Right now, we need some inside presence IMO ... Mihm just can't stay on the floor...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I like Snow a lot, but I would never trade Butler for him straight up, let alone butler, slava, AND a draft pick for him... Right now, we need some inside presence IMO ... Mihm just can't stay on the floor...</div> Yea, I wasn't sure about the draft pick, I just put /Lakers after the Cavs, because I wasn't sure if Cleveland had their pick. Anyways, being a Lakers Fan as well, the Lakers aren't going to be a top team in league this year. Their only way to improve, is to move Odom to the 3, and insert someone like Divac or Cook into the lineup. At the same time, they'll be getting a real PG, who can play D. A guy who can see the floor and find his teammates at the right spot, at the right time. Slava hasn't been playing much for the Lakers this year with Cook playing so well, so I'm guessing he's more than expendable. Once the Lakers get Grant Back, they'll have a pretty good front line in Mihm/Divac/Odom/Cook.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How about some Free Agents? I'd like to see the Lakers add some toughness like a Tyrone Hill, Keon Clark, Lawrence Funderburke, Popeye Jones. The Lakers need a goon on the team until Brian Grant gets healthy. I'm actually surprised no one has signed Keon Clark to the league minimum, he's a solid shot blocker and has some nice post up moves.</div> I don't think Keon wants to play, I know that the Cavs were going to have a meeting with him but he didn't show up. But he definitly would be a good pickup. Also what about Troy Bell, he was cut by the Grizzlies a while back, I know he hasn't done much in the NBA but he did have a good college career and could help our backcourt, unless of course he's injured or something...
I thought this should belong here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A source says the Lakers are Kidd's No. 1 preference, but to date they have shown no interest, worried by his health, age (32) and contract ($90 million over five seasons through 2007-08.)</div> http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nbatra...eadlines-sports
L.A. Lakers trades: C Vlade Divac (0.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 4.6 minutes) L.A. Lakers receives: PG Eric Snow (3.6 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 3.5 apg in 20.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.8 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +3.0 apg. Cleveland trades: PG Eric Snow (3.6 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 3.5 apg in 20.6 minutes) Cleveland receives: C Vlade Divac (0.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 4.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.8 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -3.0 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED <u>Why the Lakers do this trade?</u> Vlade Divac was supposed to be an impact player for the Lakers, however he has barely seen the court, and it's obvious he's not going to be a part of this team's future. The Lakers lack quality at the Center position, but they are better off trying to integrate Mihm as the starter and addressing depth in the offseason through free agency or the draft. The Lakers are battling just to make the playoffs, and the combination of Slava, Grant, and Mihm should suffice for now. More importantly for the Lakers is getting a point guard who plays defense and can be counted on in the 4th quarter. Chucky Atkins coming off the bench is more viable for what he does on the court. The Lakers need a scorer off the bench, and Atkins can energize the Lakers when he comes in with the second unit. This move also allows the Lakers to cut Tierre Brown, and bring aboard a free agent. The Lakers could use a guy like Tyrone Hill to come in and be the goon for the team, they will also need a roster spot available when Grant comes back, so having Hill for a temporary replacement would be an improvement for the team. <u>Why the Cavs do this trade?</u> The Cavs are set at poing guard with J-Mac and LeBron. They need insurance for Big Z in case of injury or if he doesn't re-sign, and Divac provides that for them. Divac also brings veteran leadership and playoff experience to a young team, and he's always been a great mentor and cheerleader for his teammates. If the Cavs make it to the playoffs, they'll need a guy who can take up space and draw cheap fouls on the opposing big man, Divac fits the profile. Eric Snow has also fallen out of favor with Silas, and this team does not need any disgruntled players messing up the team chemistry. The Cavs also clear up cap space right away by unloading Snow's salary, and they get to shed Divac's contract in two years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KleinBaller08:</div><div class="quote_post">^No offense, but that could be possibly the dumbest trade the lakers could do.</div> I disagree 100%, I like the trade, Laker's arn't using Divac and need a solid pg, Snow can fill that and they don't need Divac, he doesn't have rebounding which is why they would use him and I them them running with a smaller line up with Mihm out actually works out better than playing Divac because the fact he is slow and really out of shape.
Were already depleted enough up front, why do more damage. Not to add Atkins and Tierre Brown are down fine at the point, the pg isnt the problem for the Lakers, its that there only getting production upfront from Mihm.
Any comments and thoughts on my trade proposal? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't check if this worked, but a deal like this I believe will work for all sides: Milwauke Receives: Caron Butler $1,920,560 Luke Jackson $1,818,720 Clevelands/LA's first rounder for 2005 (Not sure if they have it) Cleveland Receives: Michael Redd 3,000,000 Slava Medvedenko Unknown Lakers Receive: Eric Snow $4,875,00 You could add some fillers in there to make it work, but I'm not sure who to add. Snow does not fair well as a backup, and he's in Silas's doghouse. However, the Cavs really like Redd, so they'll do this. They could acquire someone like Pargo from the Bulls, or Strickland from the Bucks(more of a 2), to do the backup job in Cleveland. Lakers finally get a starting Point Guard, a real Point, who can play D as well. A pass first player, that'll be a good fit with the Lakers. The trade also opens up minutes for Odom at the 3, and minutes overall for George and Walton, if activated. Jackson and Butler will get their oppurtunities in the Milwaukee. This team will be run by their swingmen after this yesar with Mason, Butler and Jackson. They also get a first rounder from the Cavs or Lakers Cleveland gets a 2nd option to LeBron, and a guy that has been on their target for a while. This deal, could make them NBA Finals bound. They also get Medvedenko who can backup Gooden, and start if there's an injury</div>
To be honest, I really don't like Snow. I think we could attract better PG's with Butler. Snow is worth Atkins, in my book.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KleinBaller08:</div><div class="quote_post">^No offense, but that could be possibly the dumbest trade the lakers could do.</div> I'll admit, it's a bit of a stretch and there is an un-written rule to never trade size for smaller player. However, the Lakers are not using Vlade at all so I see it as getting something for nothing. Sure their frontline is depleted, but they still have not used Slava and Grant in the rotation because those two have been injured. The Lakers are still a playoff team with or without Vlade, and even at full strength I don't see the Lakers getting past the 1st round. They are a terrible road team and the quality in the West is, too much for them to overcome. Divac will likely retire in a year, and he won't be around anyways, so why not trade him and get something in return? Snow is not on the top of the list for point guards I would want, but he's exactly what the Lakers need. A defensive minded guard who can control tempo and not make mental mistakes down the stretch of games. Snow is solid and will make Kobe's job a lot easier on both ends of the court. Atkins and Brown are terrible for the Lakers and neither is a quality starter in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">To be honest, I really don't like Snow. I think we could attract better PG's with Butler. Snow is worth Atkins, in my book.</div> No way is Snow and Atkins on the same level. Look at how well Snow fit in with Iverson in Philly. He'll be just as valuable to Kobe as he was to Iverson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">To be honest, I really don't like Snow. I think we could attract better PG's with Butler. Snow is worth Atkins, in my book.</div> I don't think you could attract a better PG with Butler than Snow, especially one that's available. Snow is a true PG, one of the few in the league, and he will definitly make the Lakers better. He's also a very good defender, and can defend the 1 and 2. He doesn't turn the ball over, and he's a good decision maker. If you want a true PG, not a shoot first PG, than Snow is the guy you would go after. With the acquisisition of Snow, Odom will be more free, being able to play at the 3, getting around 18 a night, with Kobe getting his 25-30.
I actually like the team (for the most part) as is; we could use better big men than Vlade and C. Mihm, but what's really hurting us is our defense, or lack thereof. Kobe, Chucky, Odom, and Butler (when he's hot) are capable of scoring 20 points on any night, but Kobe is the only one playing outstanding defense. New defensive coaching is in order with a emphasis on stopping dribble penetration; Arenas killed us with that Friday night.
I think that maybe yall should do this: Washington recieves: SF Caron Butler C Vlade Divac Lakers recieve: PG Gilbert Arenas Now that trade right there would make the Lakers UNSTOPPABLE! Having Kobe and Arenas in the backcourt that is just screaming Finals.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sonics1:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that maybe yall should do this: Washington recieves: SF Caron Butler C Vlade Divac Lakers recieve: PG Gilbert Arenas Now that trade right there would make the Lakers UNSTOPPABLE! Having Kobe and Arenas in the backcourt that is just screaming Finals.</div> Dude that will never happen. Washington is finally winning and they are not about to give up their cornerstone. You think Jamison is their cornerstone? Wrong...Arenas is, he can get to the basket at will and is proving to be pretty clutch. Caron and Divac < Arenas Caron is a role player at best, he will never be a star in this league. Vlade is washed up, the Wizards also dont need another Center. We have Etan Thomas, Brendan Haywood, and our prospect John Peter Ramos. Arenas is a budding superstar in this league and for Washington to give him up wouild just be stupid on their part. They would never do that.
