<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">When you say "In what world are the Knicks looking like such a good team" I think it can be emplied tha you are saying they're not a good team. If I were to hypothetically say in what world are the Raptors looking like such a good team I think that one can automatically assume that the "in what world" phrase would mean they are not a good team although I never actually said it. </div> and again...what you think can be emplied from something is again your fault. i wasnt asking you to assume or think i am emplying anything from my post. the knicks do not currently look like such a good team...thats what i said...thats what i meant. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Knicks having talent is a fact. The Knicks still being the favorites to win the atlantic is also a fact. The Knicks have the chance to advance deep into the playoffs if Indiana is out is also a fact. Hmm. I don't see any oppinions. </div> god...how many times do i have to say the same thing over and over...i have not ONCE argued that the knicks have talent. ill say it again...the knicks have talent. on that note..can you just read that and please stop bringing that into the conversation? this is a quote from my first post in this thread: "there is no question that the knicks have lots of good players". iv also said a couple of times since then that they have lots of talent. im not sure how many times i have to keep saying that untill you stop trying to argue that fact with me...but i really dont feel like saying it again. if you're so eager to have a discussion with someone about whether the knicks have talent or not, you should find someone who's on the opposite side of the coin then i am. what i said looks like an opinion was that "they are loaded with talent makes them an attractive team to a guy who is on a team that isn't. " you cant speak for other nba players...so its your OPINION that they are an attractive team to other players. its hardly a fact its also an opinion that the knicks are favorites to win the atlantic...most nba analysts will say that its the most wide open division since its one of, if not THE weakest in the league. and sure the knicks have a change to go deep into the playoffs...they also have a chance at going to the lottery...anything is possible...untill it actually happens its hardly factual now isnt it? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Last summer Erick Dampier was strongly debating on taking the MLE and was traded before making his final decision. Also if Rasheed Wallace never won a championship with Detroit, said he would sign with the Knicks for the MLE. It is very possible Walker can sign with NY for the MLE. Walker said he is interested in the Knicks and the Knicks are interested in him too.</div> lots of if's. you're argument might hold some water if you stated any actual facts instead of hypothetical situations. sure walker may be interested in NYK...is it realistic he'll sign for the MLE at this point in his career? i dont think so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and again...what you think can be emplied from something is again your fault. i wasnt asking you to assume or think i am emplying anything from my post. the knicks do not currently look like such a good team...thats what i said...thats what i meant. </div> So what did you mean? My mistake I should have known you thought the Knicks were a good team because you said: "in what world are the Knicks looking like such a good team" What you said the about the Knicks not being an attractive team right now is your oppinion. They might not have the best record but, there is more to being a good team than havinga good record. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">its also an opinion that the knicks are favorites to win the atlantic...most nba analysts will say that its the most wide open division since its one of, if not THE weakest in the league.</div> NBA analysts have said and still say the Knicks will win the division. They still are the favorites to win the atlantic. It is wide open...for them. I never said they were going to win it. The Lakers were the favorites to beat the Pistons last year but, they didn't. So, being the "favorites" doesn't mean a sure lock but, rather many people think they are. Many power rankings etc. say so but, we will never know for sure untill the season progresses. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> lots of if's. you're argument might hold some water if you stated any actual facts instead of hypothetical situations. sure walker may be interested in NYK...is it realistic he'll sign for the MLE at this point in his career? i dont think so.</div> There is more to basketball than actually statistics and things of that nature. Walker, Dampier, and Wallace were all interested in NYK. They said so and Isiah tried to get them as well. Why isn't realistic not to say he wont sign for the MLE? In this point in Walker's career wining is the most important thing. Walker already got a good contract from Boston. It wont be totally out of the question for Antoine Walker to sign for the MLE. NYC itself is very is a big market and is a very attractive place to play (one can not deny that).
NYC was always a contender for big free agents, just because of the environment and culture. But now there are more so with Isiah Thomas. They got talent and I think they're a decent team in the East. Back to 'Toine though. I think they should ride out the season with him and then spend the cap room on another less-selfish player. When Walker leaves, the Hawk'll have what most rebuilding teams want: a clean slate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">So what did you mean? My mistake I should have known you thought the Knicks were a good team because you said: "in what world are the Knicks looking like such a good team" What you said the about the Knicks not being an attractive team right now is your oppinion. They might not have the best record but, there is more to being a good team than havinga good record. </div> this is you: incredible...after repeating the same thing over and over you still dont get it. i actually feel dumber after this conversation.
My point is when you say in what world are the Knicks looking like such a good team, you are saying they are not good. Plain and simple. I never questioned your opinion on the Knicks having talent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">Back to 'Toine though. I think they should ride out the season with him and then spend the cap room on another less-selfish player. When Walker leaves, the Hawk'll have what most rebuilding teams want: a clean slate.</div> yeah, but ask Chicago how having loads of cap space every summer works out for them. It got them eddie robinson and another trip to Seacacus. For whatever reason, Atlanta is not attractive to free agents. They have to use that cap space to trade for a guy already under contract, otherwise they're just going to be used as leverage for someone to get a better offer from another team, like Kenyon and Dampier did to them this summer. Plus, if you have no intention of keeping Antoine into the future, then throw out the rookies, see what your foundation is made out of.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Last summer Erick Dampier was strongly debating on taking the MLE and was traded before making his final decision. Also if Rasheed Wallace never won a championship with Detroit, said he would sign with the Knicks for the MLE. It is very possible Walker can sign with NY for the MLE. Walker said he is interested in the Knicks and the Knicks are interested in him too.</div> dude no one wants to play for the NYKs they just suck like come on think about what u just said new york r in the <u>WORST</u> division and still cant win like they play toranto 4 times boston 4 times 76er 4 times and more and cant win they ant a good team they r a shit team and yes i mean <font size="3">SHIT TEAM</font> try say they r good again and il tell u there record i think they wont even be .500 this season they r over paid the knicks like shannon anderson like 7.2 millon LMFAO who in the hell would give him that none other then the knick so shut up about the knicks asides starbury they have no one and dont tell me rejects like kurt mohammed LMFAO penny and houston r good coz they havnt played a good solid game for about 10 years so shut ur dam mouth about the NYKs coz they just plain suck summery <font size="7"><u>NYKs SUCK </u> </font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">So what did you mean? My mistake I should have known you thought the Knicks were a good team because you said: "in what world are the Knicks looking like such a good team" What you said the about the Knicks not being an attractive team right now is your oppinion. They might not have the best record but, there is more to being a good team than havinga good record. </div> the words "such a good team" mean they are better than a good team. If you meant they were merely good you wouldnt of said "such". Your wording implies that they are on the next level with teams like Sac, Dallas and the Heat. The Knicks are not "such a good team" they have talent, but the most talented team isnt necessarily a "good team". The Knicks have a ton of guys that can do amazing things, but they often times choose not to. The Knicks are a average team compared to the East, and a below average team when compared with the whole league. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> NBA analysts have said and still say the Knicks will win the division. They still are the favorites to win the atlantic. It is wide open...for them. I never said they were going to win it. The Lakers were the favorites to beat the Pistons last year but, they didn't. So, being the "favorites" doesn't mean a sure lock but, rather many people think they are. Many power rankings etc. say so but, we will never know for sure untill the season progresses. </div> Those are NBA analysts "opinions". And I've seen as many scouts picking New Jersey to win the Atlantic has the Knicks. Second off, your statement "i never said they were going to win it", no but you said it was a fact they were the favorites. The Knicks are currently behind the Celtics in the power rankings, and not far ahead of the 76ers. Its not at all unreasonable to say the Knicks might not even make the playoffs. Anything can happen. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post"> There is more to basketball than actually statistics and things of that nature. Walker, Dampier, and Wallace were all interested in NYK. They said so and Isiah tried to get them as well. Why isn't realistic not to say he wont sign for the MLE? In this point in Walker's career wining is the most important thing. Walker already got a good contract from Boston. It wont be totally out of the question for Antoine Walker to sign for the MLE. NYC itself is very is a big market and is a very attractive place to play (one can not deny that).</div> Damp was considering signing for the MLE for one year, not a long term deal. Also i think the situation was different for him. I dont think you'll see Walker playing for the MLE. 8 million is the least he'd play for in my opinions. BTW - knicks are not "such a good team"
