<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">THE RAPTORS still had a No. 15 last night. Vince Carter remained a member of the Raptors as they lost 101-94 to the Seattle SuperSonics at the Air Canada Centre. But according to NBA sources, the sweepstakes to acquire him has been expanded to a league-wide affair, rather than a private party in Portland. One team that kept popping up in conversations yesterday was the Miami Heat, which might be looking to trade veteran Eddie Jones. And almost on cue, there were a few whispers about Ray Allen of the Sonics, too.</div> <div align="center">As of 11/20/2004 - Source</div>
For eddie Jones? your kidding right? They wont trade a Allen or a Carter for EJ. Trade Wade, and its in the mix.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">For eddie Jones? your kidding right? They wont trade a Allen or a Carter for EJ. Trade Wade, and its in the mix.....</div> Trade Wade for Carter? I know that will get the trade going but that's a stupid trade on Miami's behalf. Wade is the reason why Miami has Shaq (that and Kobe). You don't trade the player who helped recruit Shaq.
The Raptors wouldn't do it, and trading Wade for Carter is laughable, but Miami has nothing to get a player of Vince's caliber, everyone knows that's just garbage talk, I men we aren't accepting a deal for Shareef who's a better player and has an expiring contract, so in contrast their's no chance.
I agree EJ is not good traid bait. If a team could somehow get him to opt out of his contract (which I doubt cuz no one would ever sign him to that same deal) then it would be good because his contract has an option to opt out after this season so it would open cap space. If you think about it though EJ does hold some advantages that benefit Miami (and only Miami): - He knows the Heat System extremely well. He was even there for the Pat Riley days. - He's a good defender. Yes, believe it or not, his defense is what earns him minutes. He comes through with big defensive stops and can pull off a steal when it counts the most. - He's real motivated to win a championship, possibly even more than Shaq. - He pours his heart and soul into every game. And if you think about it, what's the main reason why we want to get rid of EJ? - Inconsistant jump shooting. - Big contract which expires after the 2006 season. - Acquire an upgrade to the SF spot if Rasual doesn't improve. If we can get consistant jumpshooting from EJ I think he would be a great piece to have on the Heat team. Then after 2006 if he wants to remain a Heat sign him to a more reasonable contract. Don't forget, even if VC has a more consistant J then EJ, he's still nowhere near the player he used to be 3 years ago.
I agree heatfan83, I believe we look too much at Eddie's scoring or what not rather than the other things he does. Remember, he's the 3rd scoring option right now, he's still trying to find his niche. Vince may be an extremely good player, but all in all EJ fits our team better. Not to mention, VC is more injury prone, u never know when that knee is gonna cause problems. Until we find a good athletic defender for the SF spot, we can work with EJ, just give him some time. If the trade does some how go down, I would hope VC's change of scenery and team would motivate him, as well as taking on a smaller role, possibly a good defender and 2nd or 3rd scoring option. Wade will always be our first scoring option.
Jones vs Carter is ridiculous. Carter struggling or not he's still heads and tails above Jones, not to mention younger. And he hasnt had any significant injuries since 2002-2003 season, so i dont buy that his injury prone. It would never happen....but eddies a good keeper for you if he can get his J going
Vince said he wants out of Toronto, would it be best for the Raptors to keep an unahappy playe?, he's not even producing up to his potential. I wouldn't be suprised if he wanted to be traded to the Heat, he wants to win a title.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OGmAXiFY:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree heatfan83, I believe we look too much at Eddie's scoring or what not rather than the other things he does. Remember, he's the 3rd scoring option right now, he's still trying to find his niche. Vince may be an extremely good player, but all in all EJ fits our team better. Not to mention, VC is more injury prone, u never know when that knee is gonna cause problems. Until we find a good athletic defender for the SF spot, we can work with EJ, just give him some time.</div> Good points. I think one reason why EJ is struggling so much is because he's still getting adjusted to being a spot up shooter rather than creating his own shots. One thing that he should be doing more of is attacking the basket (same with Rasual). He's limiting himself to being a one-dimensional player with his jumpshot. Anyways once EJ gets his jumper back he's gonna be turning a lot of heads because he's already got good defense and intangibles. I don't doubt he could be one of the players that truly shine when ppl talk about the Heat because, minus his slump on the J, he's got a great all around game. As for finding a SF, I really hope that Rasual is our answer. He's already athletic and has a great wing span. He's becoming a better shot blocker and his defense is gradually improving. Right now he's got the EJ-Virus but when he's hot he's one of our best shooters. He's also made 2 very clutch shots already. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Jones vs Carter is ridiculous. Carter struggling or not he's still heads and tails above Jones, not to mention younger. And he hasnt had any significant injuries since 2002-2003 season, so i dont buy that his injury prone. It would never happen....but eddies a good keeper for you if he can get his J going</div> Don't ever discount anything. Who'd ever thought Shaq, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Patrick Ewing would ever be traded? Anything's possible.
Vince is purposely playing poor in Toronto, I remember reading an article on him not wanting to dunk anymore: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Vinsanity's staying grounded Vince Carter's jawdropping dunks may be a thing of the past. Sportsnet.ca -- The human highlight reel known as Vinsanity has been replaced by after-school specials. Toronto Raptors superstar Vince Carter, struggling through his worst season ever, said his dunking days are all but done. "I don't want to dunk anymore," Carter told Sportsnet. Although he asserted that his skills haven't diminished, Carter said dunking is overrated and unnecessary. "You can make a layup and reach the free throw line," said Carter, who is averaging 3.18 free throws a game this season, well below the seven he averaged during his best offensive years from 1999 to 2001. His 14.5 points per game is also his lowest average since becoming a professional.</div> How can Vince not like to dunk anymore? doesn't make any sense
You're still behind lol, that's old, if you want more clarification read the thread in the Raptors forum, it was a joke, he was angry at the stupid questions the media was asking him. He said the next day that it was a joke so some other media guys, and in the game that night he had 2 dunks, and has had I think 5 or so dunks since then. You should've read the one about him and Jamison talking, he's been playing good since then.. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't forget, even if VC has a more consistant J then EJ, he's still nowhere near the player he used to be 3 years ago.</div> Carter hasn't changed much really, he's just not trying, he's lost some speed and about 1-2 inches on his vertical, but he can still get in the lane at will, and he can still dunk, just hasn't been that motivated till the past 3 games or so. Also Vince isn't really injury prone anymore, I don't think that's a factor to people at this moment, just an old thing people use to try to bring down his trade value which isn't even that high right now, but much much much higher than Eddie Jones. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't ever discount anything. Who'd ever thought Shaq, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Patrick Ewing would ever be traded? Anything's possible.</div> Their's nothing to discount, us as Raptor fans are expecting VC to be traded, but Babcock isn't even thinking of Eddie Jones, he'd laugh if Miami proposed it. Babcock has already said what he'd accept in a Vince trade, he's looking to improve our team not make it worse, EJ doesn't even give us cap space, and Babcock doesn't want to just trade for that, he wants at least a good/young player, and also cap space with it if possible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heatfan83:</div><div class="quote_post">Trade Wade for Carter? I know that will get the trade going but that's a stupid trade on Miami's behalf. Wade is the reason why Miami has Shaq (that and Kobe). You don't trade the player who helped recruit Shaq.</div> I only said that because Eddie is outdated. No one in their right mind would trade carter for EJ. Now, they would jump for Wade, but obviously the Heat wont do that trade. Wade is the franchise right now. Not Shaq.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're still behind lol, that's old, if you want more clarification read the thread in the Raptors forum, it was a joke, he was angry at the stupid questions the media was asking him. He said the next day that it was a joke so some other media guys, and in the game that night he had 2 dunks, and has had I think 5 or so dunks since then. You should've read the one about him and Jamison talking, he's been playing good since then..</div> i figured that after reading the rest...o well
This trade won't happen: 1.) Toronto is looking to get rid of VC but is looking for a seat-filler player in return, and EJ is not exactly that guy. And he's also aging (33) and is looking like on the downside of his career (career lows 10.7 ppg, .347 FG%, .300 3P%.) 2.) Miami probably won't agree because VC is a player with full of egos. Although that could change once he's in Miami, there's no a guarantee. By taking VC, Shaq would go DejaVu when he fought for the ball with KB8. And as inconsistent Eddie's, he's still a threat from the perimeter. With Shaq getting more comfortable in the system, he'll look to pass more and EJ will get plenty of open looks and his shots should be much improved. 3.) Miami won't need another star. Shaq and Wade are their go-to-guys and they'd only need good role players. Eddie is more than a good role player as he can step it up during crunch and hit big shots.
The Raptors would not do this trade. Vince Carter isn't playing great this year but he isn't playing bad enough where the Raps would want EJ. Wade for Vince Carter would be a stupid move by the Heat because Wade is the future and he is playing great this year while Carter is mediocre. I just don't see Vince Carter in a Miami uniform because there isn't a trade that would work.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2.) Miami probably won't agree because VC is a player with full of egos. Although that could change once he's in Miami, there's no a guarantee. By taking VC, Shaq would go DejaVu when he fought for the ball with KB8. And as inconsistent Eddie's, he's still a threat from the perimeter. With Shaq getting more comfortable in the system, he'll look to pass more and EJ will get plenty of open looks and his shots should be much improved. </div> Actually this isn't true, Carter really doesn't have a big ego in terms of wanting to take shots, he didn't even complain about going to the bench, and Raptor fans were criticizing him last year of passing too much and not taking enough shots. Everyone is saying he just wants to be one of the guys and not seperate himself, people seem to think every guy who is a star perimeter player is Kobe, but Carter really doesn't do that.
That is actually a laughable trade. I mean, do people really think Vince is THAT washed-up? I'm a Eddie Jones fan but that's a horrible trade and Toronto would never accept it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Also Vince isn't really injury prone anymore, I don't think that's a factor to people at this moment,</div> Achilles tendon? great way to defend one of your favorite players, but didn;t work.
