I'm fine if he shoots, but only when there's somebody down the floor to get an offensive rebound. Instead he shoots constantly when nobody's even reached 5 feet passed half court yet, that's just f'in ridiculous. Why sign a point guard that doesn't get the team involved. Very stupid signing. And now I worry about Pietrus' frustrated and disgusted look on the bench. It'll be very soon when he demands a trade and starts complaining to the press about how this team doesn't play with heart and he doesn't want to be here anymore. Just our luck the warriors accidentally drafted a guy that can be unstoppable one on one and plays good defense, beause now we'll probably lose him....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR_SAC_KING:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone here believe that signing Derek Fisher was a BIG Mistake for the Warriors?</div> I believe that signing with the warriors was a huge mistake for D-Fish he goes form playing for a team that won 3 championships in 5 years, and a team he would have probably been the starter on right now considering he is just as good as Atkins if not better. To a team that is lucky to even have a respectable record at the end of the year. Do not get me wrong I respect the Warriors orginization, but I think that Fisher if given the choice would rather be back in Los Angeles right now. It would be better for both parties if he where back there judging by the reaction to him in this thread. I think the reason he is struggling in Golden State is he is trying to do to much. While in LA he had players like Kobe around him to help take the pressure and spot light off of him.
Let's just say that right now Fisher hasn't proven his worth. But the best way to look at it is that Speedy hasn't really done much to distinguish himself either this year. So the road the Warriors are probably headed down is to draft a pg (Paul, Felton, Rudy Fernandez, etc.) and not pick up the option on Speedy's contract.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's just say that right now Fisher hasn't proven his worth. But the best way to look at it is that Speedy hasn't really done much to distinguish himself either this year. So the road the Warriors are probably headed down is to draft a pg (Paul, Felton, Rudy Fernandez, etc.) and not pick up the option on Speedy's contract.</div> There needs to be a trade involving Fisher or Foyle. If we erase those mistakes I think we'll be better off in the long run. I know they are great mentors or whatever, but that isn't going to win you ball games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">There needs to be a trade involving Fisher or Foyle. If we erase those mistakes I think we'll be better off in the long run. I know they are great mentors or whatever, but that isn't going to win you ball games.</div> With the way those two are playing, the only way to trade either of them would be to trade one bad contract for another, which wouldn't really accomplish anything. If the new CBA limits the length of contracts, there's going to be even less of a chance to trade either one of these guys away. The only way to get a net reduction in the salary cap through a trade would be to package Fisher or Foyle with Biedrins, Pietrus, or a couple of future first round picks. Right now these two contracts look like as big or bigger mistakes than any signings St. Jean ever made. Basically guys, get used to Fisher, he's going to be here for a LONG time.
Man that bites. I think Fisher has to stop doing so much and just try create plays for people. He never even gives others a chance to shoot the ball at times when the shotclock is still young. I think Pure Skillz is right though, we're probably better off doing a swap for Chucky Atkins and having Fisher in front of a fan base that appreciates him more. I just don't think he's good for this team. The guy I wanted was Damon Jones who is a shooting guard like Fisher, but is a better playmaker when he is asked to run plays, and he is a good locker room presence. His 6'3 size also makes him a lot better on defense against taller guards than let's say Claxton who is 5'10 and an aggressive defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Man that bites. I think Fisher has to stop doing so much and just try create plays for people. He never even gives others a chance to shoot the ball at times when the shotclock is still young. I think Pure Skillz is right though, we're probably better off doing a swap for Chucky Atkins and having Fisher in front of a fan base that appreciates him more. I just don't think he's good for this team. The guy I wanted was Damon Jones who is a shooting guard like Fisher, but is a better playmaker when he is asked to run plays, and he is a good locker room presence. His 6'3 size also makes him a lot better on defense against taller guards than let's say Claxton who is 5'10 and an aggressive defender.</div> I think they should of just signed someone like Charlie Ward and save some of that money for next year. I mean wasn't that the whole plan? was to have cap room money to sign someone good next year? I would pass on Fisher for that much moola but he's on the team now so i won't think about it.
I think the Warriors brass tried to go for too much locker room presence/character like Foyle and Fisher. Those guys are not producing that well or doing their jobs the way they should. Right now Foyle is so afraid of his erratic minutes and foul trouble he is not playing as well in the time he is given. I think Foyle and Fisher were really bad signings because neither get the job done for what we need to do. Foyle is an open court type player and ever since his knee surgery he's looked not as great as he did a couple years ago. He sure made a cool dunk though from a handoff pass from Speedy. Fisher is just... echh not a point guard? Waste of money. Ship him to the Rockets I bet they are dying for somebody to give back. I want to bring back Bob Sura, but his shot sucks and he's out of control sometimes. I like his defense, athleticism and his energy though. What about Tyronn Lue?
He did OK last night. When he came to the Warriors I thought he was someone who could show the young guys how to win. He hasn't done that too much this year...
To show the young guys how to win he needs to do his job and be good at it. I think he needs to: play tough defense, distribute the ball, and hit open shots off of the pass. We don't want him to wildly drive in and take fade away jumpers. That's Richardson's job.
Exactly, and he never was a point guard. He has the point guard skills (passing, ballhandling, shooting the open J) but he doesn't matchup well and his pg mentality sucks. I say we make a play for Tyronn Lue, Steve Blake, Ben Gordon (Hinrich if the Bulls are out of their minds), or .... whoever has the whole package as a point guard, shoots the outside shot, and has good court vision and defense. You have to be able to defend the guy who has the ball in his hands the most.
Dunleavy, D-Fish, and Foyle for Hinrich. I'd like that. Same with the Tyronne Lue deal. Imagine this lineup with Lue pg:Tyronne Lue/Speedy Claxton sg:Jason Richardson sf:Mickael Pietrus pf:Troy Murphy c:Andris Beidrins (if he's healthy) With Hinrich pg:Kirk Hinrich/ Speedy Claxton sg:Jason Richardson sf:Mickael Pietrus pf:Troy Murphy c:Andris Beidrins (if he's healthy) I think that would be one of the best lineups the Warriors had in years.
Um, they've got Luol Deng, so the Bulls wouldn't do that. But it would be funny if they did. Maybe they want to trade one of their best defenders, playmakers, and scorers because his ears look silly. I've always believed a good franchise player starts with the point guard or the power forward or center. Only one who can get away without that philosophy is Kobe Bryant because he's starting to play like a point guard.
So I Take it that Derek Fisher was a waste to sign..Well i think someday down the road he will express his desire that he doesn't want to play for the Warriors.it's like when will this happen.unless the Warriors start to win sometime soon,Fisher will not be happy and it will show in his performances.
