there is no trade with chicago and they already declined portlands!!! idk they said he didnt play for food poising
i think i like sam mitchell, but i gotta say it was a stupid starting line up. He's talking about players that play the best will get the minutes. But he started Aroujo and Moiso??? sure they didnt play alot, but the starting spot is an honour. Bonner deserved it, and Marshall too. I really dont know what esle to say....except that was the worst starting lineup in raptors history
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">i think i like sam mitchell, but i gotta say it was a stupid starting line up. He's talking about players that play the best will get the minutes. But he started Aroujo and Moiso??? sure they didnt play alot, but the starting spot is an honour. Bonner deserved it, and Marshall too. I really dont know what esle to say....except that was the worst starting lineup in raptors history</div> He didn't want to mess up his 2nd unit. The only person from the Zoo Crew that started was Milt Palacio. This allowed Rafael and Moiso to start, to show Sam what they can do. They ended up doing nothing, resulting in them being benched and the Zoo Crew and remaining players of the the starting lineup playing the rest of the minutes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree Bosh isn't a guy we can build around at this moment, I think I already said it before, he's not ready for a role like that because you have to realize he's also been struggling as the 3rd/4th option, so if he's #1 and s facing double teams etc it doesn't get better. </div> he's not ready to be the no1 option right now i agree...in 3 or 4 years however...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">His ball handling skills are a major issue. Whenever you make contact with him, he seems to turn the ball over. His back to the basket game? Well he doesn't have one. He's very explosive, and has good range, however, I don't think that's gonna be good enough to make him a franchise player. When he does develop a back to the basket game, I don't think it'll be anything spectacular, because he's left handed, and his turn around shot when he has his back against the basket is awful. Plus, he's not that good of a rebounder, 7.1 RPG in 35 MPG. That will increase obviously, but it'll get to around 10 RPG at best. He might get better, but I don't think he'll be a franchise guy. 2nd option seems like a good role for him.</div> everything you've mentioned so far is stuff that you can teach a player. what gives bosh such a huge upside is the natural athleticism, court instincts and existing skills he already has. position rebounding, post moves and ball handling can and WILL come with time. 10rpg is pretty decent too...if he's avging 20 and 10 ill be pretty happy. i wouldnt be surprised if he avg'd more ppg though <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "Everyone else" are very optimistic, huge bosh believers, or fans who want VC out of town and think Bosh can take over. He could be an all-star, but that doesn't make you a franchise player. Plus...I'm not the only one that thinks this way about Bosh.</div> most of the time all-star's are franchise players...of course bosh isnt eithe right now, but i think he will be given time. and i dont just want vince out either you're the only person iv ever talked to that doesnt think bosh can develop into the teams franchise player. imo there is no question that bosh is the teams future
With his rebounding though he doens't have the instincts, sometimes he seems to stand around and watch, that's something that's hard for players to get used to, but many times he either watches or trues to outjump other players without positioning himself properly.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">everything you've mentioned so far is stuff that you can teach a player. what gives bosh such a huge upside is the natural athleticism, court instincts and existing skills he already has. position rebounding, post moves and ball handling can and WILL come with time.</div> Bosh doesn't have the ability and body to do the things that you say can be taught. Even if he adds more muscle, and learns how to do those things, I still don't see him being a franchise player. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">10rpg is pretty decent too...if he's avging 20 and 10 ill be pretty happy. i wouldnt be surprised if he avg'd more ppg though</div> I said 10 RPG at tops, he doesn't seem to want the ball as much as the other defenders. 20 PPG might be reasonable if he has nobody else on his team that can score, however that would make a losing team. If the Raps are going to win, with Bosh at the first option he'll get around 20 PPG tops as well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">most of the time all-star's are franchise players...of course bosh isnt eithe right now, but i think he will be given time. and i dont just want vince out either you're the only person iv ever talked to that doesnt think bosh can develop into the teams franchise player. imo there is no question that bosh is the teams future</div> Yea he's the teams future, but does that mean anything? He can be the teams "franchise player", or "future", but that doesn't mean anything if they aren't a winning team. The only person in the media that seems to think he'll become a franchise player and superstar is Chuck Swirsky.
I don't know about him being a franchise player, their's only a few true franchise players in the league, Shaq, KG, Duncan, Lebron, and Kidd was before all the injuries. Kobe is still battling to get that name as long as he can bring his team to wins, and if Wade can continue to do his thing now even after Shaq is gone then he can battle his way into there too. Dirk is also coming up to be a guy you can call a franchise player even though he always has a sick team, but he's taking over games which is important.
"The only person in the media that seems to think he'll become a franchise player and superstar is Chuck Swirsky." ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MaxaMillion711:</div><div class="quote_post">"The only person in the media that seems to think he'll become a franchise player and superstar is Chuck Swirsky." ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?!</div> Are you trying to imply something or is that suppose to be some joke
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh doesn't have the ability and body to do the things that you say can be taught. Even if he adds more muscle, and learns how to do those things, I still don't see him being a franchise player.</div> people used to say the same things about jermaine o'neal. bosh has an almost identical body to his when he came in the league. but hey...thats your opinion and you can have it. i just disagree. he may not have the body for it now...but all he needs to add is a little bulk and i dont see why he CANT improve on the areas he's weak in currently <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I said 10 RPG at tops, he doesn't seem to want the ball as much as the other defenders. 20 PPG might be reasonable if he has nobody else on his team that can score, however that would make a losing team. If the Raps are going to win, with Bosh at the first option he'll get around 20 PPG tops as well.</div> yea? and i said 10 rpg lol. you said tops...i read that. you can repeat it again in another post if you'd like. i dont see why bosh couldnt avg 20ppg with other weapons on the team...there are plenty of other players around the league who average more then 20ppg with other offensive players taking shots. if bosh can avg 12ppg as an underdeveloped young player as a 3rd option, in a few years its certainly realistic for him to drop an extra 4 buckets a game <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yea he's the teams future, but does that mean anything? He can be the teams "franchise player", or "future", but that doesn't mean anything if they aren't a winning team. The only person in the media that seems to think he'll become a franchise player and superstar is Chuck Swirsky.</div> well we just have different opinions of what a franchise player is i guess. not every team can be a winning team...that doesnt mean they dont have a "franchise player". the magic werent a winning team last year...i still would have called t-mac their franchise player. and im not sure which media you're watching...or what magazine's youve been reading but everyone iv been paying attention to is very hyped on bosh. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about him being a franchise player, their's only a few true franchise players in the league, Shaq, KG, Duncan, Lebron, and Kidd was before all the injuries. Kobe is still battling to get that name as long as he can bring his team to wins, and if Wade can continue to do his thing now even after Shaq is gone then he can battle his way into there too.</div> i would call those players the nba elite superstars. there is no question imo that carmelo, randolph, kb8, ray allen, paul pierce, allen iverson, jermaine o'neal...etc are all their teams franchise players. again i guess i just have a different defenition of what a franchise players is then some of you. and imo...bosh will be the raps guy in a couple years
