I remember when Vince asked to be traded, he said he didn't want a rebuilding process. It looked good for the first four games, but now look, its like we have to rebuild again. Even Rafer is acting up. Vince wanted to be traded all along, he doesn't want to stay. When people say they should trade him cuz he's useless and they don't want him on our Raptors team, what do they think he's wanted all along? He's wanted to leave too, he's not exactly begging to stay.. they are taking way too long to trade him. And yea he is performing now in the season but the whole team heirarchy is messed up. Everyone has lost their clutch.
you cant hurry up and rush a trade though. thats the kind of thing that will hurt the franchise in the long run. if we just be patient and wait for the right offer, it will come along and we can a good return for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> you cant hurry up and rush a trade though. thats the kind of thing that will hurt the franchise in the long run. if we just be patient and wait for the right offer, it will come along and we can a good return for him. </div> We've been waiting for a "perfect offer" for quite some time now. Make it or break it, hurry up and do something Babcock. The problem is this: Babcock believes VC is a franchise player and that he deserves to be traded for other equally 'elite' guys. Other GM's don't believe that. 2nd problem is that any trade with Vince will have to include Jalen as well because Babcock is desperately pushing to get rid of his contract but once again, that's not working either. I still say we should have pulled the trigger on that Portland deal but I guess Babcock's vision is different. I would love the Grizzlies trade as well. Seeing Jason Williams and a (perhaps) rejuvinated Vince Carter will be great and the Raptors (according to the the rumours) would get Swift and Wells. That's not too bad but I'm not sure if we lose Rose or not.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">We've been waiting for a "perfect offer" for quite some time now. Make it or break it, hurry up and do something Babcock.</div> well...it hasnt really been that long. it wasnt that long ago that vince asked for a trade. if we are rebuilding then why rush it just to get rid of him? might as well wait as long as it takes to get the offer thats right since the rebuild process doesnt happen in half a season <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The problem is this: Babcock believes VC is a franchise player and that he deserves to be traded for other equally 'elite' guys. Other GM's don't believe that. 2nd problem is that any trade with Vince will have to include Jalen as well because Babcock is desperately pushing to get rid of his contract but once again, that's not working either. I still say we should have pulled the trigger on that Portland deal but I guess Babcock's vision is different. I would love the Grizzlies trade as well. Seeing Jason Williams and a (perhaps) rejuvinated Vince Carter will be great and the Raptors (according to the the rumours) would get Swift and Wells. That's not too bad but I'm not sure if we lose Rose or not.</div> vince is worth just as much to a struggling franchise as any elite player in the league because he'll put bodies in the seats. thats just as important as winning from a business standpoint. but you're right...throwing jalen's contract along is gonna make things tough. thats about 80 mill plus change over the next 3 yrs :S
this all wouldnt have happend if we got the 3rd pick.... no rose, carter could be traded for less, and would we still have our bigs.. now its all messed up, but that was the past, and now we arescrewed...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">We've been waiting for a "perfect offer" for quite some time now. Make it or break it, hurry up and do something Babcock. The problem is this: Babcock believes VC is a franchise player and that he deserves to be traded for other equally 'elite' guys. Other GM's don't believe that. 2nd problem is that any trade with Vince will have to include Jalen as well because Babcock is desperately pushing to get rid of his contract but once again, that's not working either. I still say we should have pulled the trigger on that Portland deal but I guess Babcock's vision is different. I would love the Grizzlies trade as well. Seeing Jason Williams and a (perhaps) rejuvinated Vince Carter will be great and the Raptors (according to the the rumours) would get Swift and Wells. That's not too bad but I'm not sure if we lose Rose or not.</div> Actually that's not true, even with his bad production, many GM's in the league still feel Vince is a good player and can be a valauable asset to the team, they know he's not just a 16-4-4 player or whetever he's putting up right now. The problem is that Babcock wants to trade Rose along with Carter, and no team wants Jalen. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">vince is worth just as much to a struggling franchise as any elite player in the league because he'll put bodies in the seats. thats just as important as winning from a business standpoint. but you're right...throwing jalen's contract along is gonna make things tough. thats about 80 mill plus change over the next 3 yrs :S</div> To actually tell the truth as much as owners say it, the real reason most people have teams is to make money, the whole wanting to win a championship thing is just to sell tickets, but if a team can always be hopeful, the Owner would'nt really care because that will always bring fans, since people feel they always have a chance.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ac To actually tell the truth as much as owners say it, the real reason most people have teams is to make money, the whole wanting to win a championship thing is just to sell tickets, but if a team can always be hopeful, the Owner would'nt really care because that will always bring fans, since people feel they always have a chance.</div> yea man...thats exactly what i was saying by "filling the seats". the team will make money...which is more important then winning to a franchise owner who cares if your team is winning but nobody is at the games lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually that's not true, even with his bad production, many GM's in the league still feel Vince is a good player and can be a valauable asset to the team, they know he's not just a 16-4-4 player or whetever he's putting up right now.</div>Just to add to that.... here's a survey done by GMs prior to the season where they were asked to rank the most athletic players. Lebron was first, Kobe second, and Vince was tied for third with K-Mart. This alone tells you that Vince should be drawing a lot of interest for other teams. I think Babcock is doing the right thing at the moment which is to wait for the best offer to come around. As long as the rumours keep coming out, more teams should be contacting the Raps to make a bid for Carter. So rushing things may make us lose out on a better deal than what's currently on the table.
Honestly...even with Vince underacheiving so much this season...HE WAS RIGHT. I completely didn't know what was going through his head when he talked about the team "rebuilding" but it's become very evident in this team that they're in no shape whatsoever to go anywhere in the playoffs (let alone be a strong playoff contender). Vince has to leave T.O. for both his own good and for the good of the team. Although we would probably lose a lot of $$$ in ticket sales, we really need the cap space. Also, Vince probably doesn't like playing for T.O. AT ALL now. What player would like to play for a team where the city's own fans boo them?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting undefined_playa:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly...even with Vince underacheiving so much this season...HE WAS RIGHT. I completely didn't know what was going through his head when he talked about the team "rebuilding" but it's become very evident in this team that they're in no shape whatsoever to go anywhere in the playoffs (let alone be a strong playoff contender). Vince has to leave T.O. for both his own good and for the good of the team. Although we would probably lose a lot of $$$ in ticket sales, we really need the cap space. Also, Vince probably doesn't like playing for T.O. AT ALL now. What player would like to play for a team where the city's own fans boo them?</div> Ticket sales wouldn't be affected that much. We're averaging about 16000 seats per game and it's been steadily declining even with Vince. We only had one sell-out this season, and that was the opener versus T-Mac and the Rockets so that alone tells the story. As soon as the team starts winning, and winning consistently, fans will come back.
