Few Dolphin questions..

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  1. DolFan44

    DolFan44 nfl-*****s member

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    Okay so we signed Stockar McDougle, Gus Frerrote. Thumbs up.
    We signed Kevin Carter, Tebucky Jones, Vonnie Holliday. Thumbs up.
    We signed Donnie Spragan, Tavares Tillman. Thumbs DOWN.

    Why did we sign Donnie Spragan OVER Matt Stewart??? Matt Stewart is a FAR better linebacker. Why did we sign Tavares Tillman?? What good is he??

    Why are we interested in Damion Cook? Instead we should look into signing Chris Terry (LT Seahawks) or Bennie Anderson (LG Ravens) who are FA's. Our biggest weakness is our O-line. As for the draft, we should draft David Baas or Ben Wilkerson if we get a 2nd round pick. With our first, i think Brown/Benson are fine.

    As for Surtain...we may trade him to KC. Do u think we will get a 2nd rounder? If he goes, do u think Will Poole/Reggie Howard are good to take his place?

    Our DT's are pretty weak. Bowens/Chester arent reliable, so since Vonnie Holliday is bigger than Kevin Carter, it might be good to put him as one of our DT's.

    As for cutting people. Notice how we have one too many linebackers and O-lineman...do u think itd be worthwile to cut some of them and save money??

    Sorry for asking a million questions, i just wanted to know.
     
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    Tillman and Spragan are young special teamers that come cheap may contribute down the line, if they dont, you really havent lost anything....you sign those types of players because there is no risk involved, only reward....Cook is the same type of player....The Patriots call that "establishing a strong middle class"....this time of year, everyone has more LBs and Olineman than they will carry, they are called camp fodder....they come to camp, you give them a chance to make the team, either they do or they dont, but even if you cut them, youve lost nothing....
     
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    I wonder about not signing Stewart as well. Probably wanted too much $.

    I think all the additions have good potential that includes Damion Cook who was just signed. Tavares Tillman is question mark but does give the safety position some NFL experience. I Like Bua & Yeremiah Bell, but...

    Chris Terry probably has too much baggage. I think Saban subscribes to the philosophy about OL that Jimmy Johnson did. A Big names w/ big salaries aren't needed just big guys w/ bad attitudes. Houck may be the difference. Look what he did in San Diego last year.

    Surtain hopefully yields a 2nd rounder this yr and 4th next year.

    There are some unknowns at DT (Romero & Monds) but then again Saban probably feels the same about DT as he does about OL. Carter & Holliday have the size to provide flexibility along the DL. FWIW, Reggie White played NT when Buddy Ryan ran the 46 in Philly, so..

    I think Poole & Howard fit better in Saban's scheme. Soft Zone by the CB's. FS Deep & SS like an extra LB.

    If anything, there is not enough depth @ LB.

    I have read elsewhere that some Dolphins fans think Saban not visiting the Auburn Pro day but watching Smith, Rogers, & Braylon Edwards is a smoke screen. I say that he coached against Auburn & is already familar with what Campbell, Brown, & Williams are capable of.

    I would venture a guess that Saban drafts either Derrick Johnson or Ronnie Brown.
     
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    I dont think johnson is worthy of 2nd pick of draft. Hopefully if that is who he wants he will trade down and pick up something. I doubt he will find a willing partner that would get him anything great for moving down. I think brown is the smart pick.
     
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    Im starting to think Braylon Edwards is the smarter pick....Edwards at #2 overall and a back like Arrington at the top of round 3....it just seems with so much depth at the RB position, if that you are better off taking the best player available at #2 and then finding a suitable back later....having said all that, I will be happy with any other 3 HBs at #2, with Alex Smith at #2, with Antrel Rolle at #2 or with Edwards, anyone else would be a disappointment unless they trade down, which i am in favor of....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Im starting to think Braylon Edwards is the smarter pick....Edwards at #2 overall and a back like Arrington at the top of round 3....it just seems with so much depth at the RB position, if that you are better off taking the best player available at #2 and then finding a suitable back later....having said all that, I will be happy with any other 3 HBs at #2, with Alex Smith at #2, with Antrel Rolle at #2 or with Edwards, anyone else would be a disappointment unless they trade down, which i am in favor of....</div>

    If i were the dolphins, and i could not get a good trade down and had to take the pick, this would be my concern. I do not have a quality back right now, i can get a servicable one via FA or i can draft a gamebreaker at top of round right now. Almost certainly the top 3 backs are going to fly off the board, and then someone at the bottom of the round, who is thinking back may take him earlier just because of teh run on backs early. Miami needs a back. It is not a risk i would take.
     
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    i dont think we are in desperate need of a QB or WR, nor do i think we need Antre Rolle, i dont think we NEED an RB. We have many RBs, Lamar Gordon seems to have potential. I think if we are going to draft someone, we obviously wont draft a Center with our 2nd pick....we COULD use a good QB, RB, and WR. Right now id say Braylon Edwards might be our best bet.
     
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    if u look at our draft...we got tons of good RBs like JJ Arrington, Vernond Morency, Darren Sproles (is my favorite) and more, As far as QBs go, we have guys like Jason Campbell, Jason White, and many others who are decent. But i think Miami needs to work on their passing game, cuz their running game gets them nowhere. So drafting Braylon Edwards would be a great addition
     
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    The 2 RB's everyone IMO is overlooking are; Kay-Jay Harris of West Virginia & Dewayne Betterson from Troy.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dolfan44)</div><div class='quotemain'>But i think Miami needs to work on their passing game, cuz their running game gets them nowhere.</div>

    As I mentioned earlier, Houck will improve the O line which in turn will improve the running game.

    The passing game will allso get better w/ an improved OL. Having Frerrotte to tutor Feeley in Linehan's system won't hurt either.
     
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    Frerrote TUTOR Feeley? If Frerrote is better, then why dont we use him instead??

    Also about Hudson Houck.....he is just a Coach. We have the same lineman as last year except for McDougle. Ive always been a guy who says "players are the ones who play, not coaches." I NEVER blame coaches for the team's poor performance...we just need some better players.
     
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    Ill say it again though....You never draft for need unless you are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl....you take the best available athlete and deal with the logjam later....if they didnt use that philosphy, the Bills dont draft McGahee when they already had Henry, the Colts dont draft Wayne when their seemingly set at WR....Miami took Jamar Fletcher a few years ago because of a "need" for a 3rd CB, they passed on better players, lots of better players....if you do, it will come back to haunt you....I think Saban will take the best player he sees on the board reguardless of the position and then deal with any logjams later....

    as far as Frerotte tudoring Feeley, that doenst mean Frerotte is better, but he is older, more experienced, and has been with Linehan for a few years....that does qualify him as a tudor....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>as far as Frerotte tudoring Feeley, that doenst mean Frerotte is better, but he is older, more experienced, and has been with Linehan for a few years....that does qualify him as a tudor....</div>

    Are you setting me up, beef? Why?

    I never saw Frerrotte as a "Tudor". He is more of a "Stuart" or "Windsor". Okay, a little British royalty humor.

    <u>Architectually</u> speaking, Gus is more of Ranch.

    To quote, Larry the Cable guy, "I don't care who you are; that right there is funny."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ill say it again though....You never draft for need unless you are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl....you take the best available athlete and deal with the logjam later....if they didnt use that philosphy, the Bills dont draft McGahee when they already had Henry, the Colts dont draft Wayne when their seemingly set at WR....Miami took Jamar Fletcher a few years ago because of a "need" for a 3rd CB, they passed on better players, lots of better players....if you do, it will come back to haunt you....I think Saban will take the best player he sees on the board reguardless of the position and then deal with any logjams later....

    as far as Frerotte tudoring Feeley, that doenst mean Frerotte is better, but he is older, more experienced, and has been with Linehan for a few years....that does qualify him as a tudor....</div>

    If you need a QB on your roster to "tutor" the young QB then you made a mistake. You should get a coach who can teach him. Get a quality backup who can come in and win games for you with that roster spot. I think that is what ferotte is actually there for. Feeley has been in league for several years now. The only way he is going to get better is hard work, and playing the game.

    I mostly agree with the best player theory, but you can only take it so far. If the best player on board in 05 draft is back you take him. If best player on board is back in 06, and the other back had great year you dont take him. You take the next best player at another position. If you do take him, and they both play well together, and then best player on board in 07 is back, should i take him too? what about in 08 also? I think you take best available to a point, but if thier is another player close at a need position you take them instead.
     
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    I think you only take the Best player available in the early rounds and then maybe draft for depth later...I mean I know belichick usually doesn't reach for need....I mean he took Ben Watson at 32 last season when we had Danial Graham and Christian Fauria already.
     
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    If you are close to winning, its ok to draft for need....if you are not, then you should take the best player....there is no position in which the Dolphins have a player that should prevent them from using the #2 on the best player except RE....
     

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