At the start of the season, I was one of the guys that had defended Milt Palacio when og15 and others were criticizing him and wanting him off the Raptors. My impression of Milt had been that he was a low-turnover, open-court point guard who had no shot, but was still good enough to be a backup point guard. However, as I was watching the Pistons/Raptors game last night, Palacio played like crap, and he did exactly what og15 had said he was doing all along. Although he has an improved shot this season, Palacio basically lost us the game last night. He held on to the ball for about 20 seconds before handing it off to another player who had to be the sucker to take the desperation shot to beat the shot-clock, which resulted in a bad miss. That kind of plays happened for three straight possesions. While the Pistons went on a mini-run in overtime, Milt was losing us the game on the offensive end. He simply does not know how to use picks. When you get a pick, you should either spot up or drive all the way to the hole. Instead, Milt used the pick, dribbled back out and onto the other end of the court, and abused a pick again. This guy really has lots to improve on other than his shot. So, I am now officially part of the "Fire Milt" club, and I hope my little analysis of last night has helped other guys understand how crap Milt is.
fire milt club? lmao.. yo y u gotta bash him after 1 poor game.. if he keeps this up then go ahead.. but remember how well he was playing all season b4 u bash him.
I was wondering why Milt was still in the game, and why Sam hadn't yanked him out sooner. The only reasoning I could come up with was that he had hit some jumpers earlier in the game that kept them in it... Who else could they play besides Palacio? Would Rafer have to play the entire game?
What was happening earlier was that some teams didn't read the scouting report I guess, and were playing him tight which allowed him to easily drive and make a layup. Detroit read their scouting report, and to add to that have 2 shot blockers in the lane which doesn't allow Milt to drive and get easy layups. Milt's shot is improved, but he can't use a pick and roll to shoot, he normally has to shoot in rythm, and also off the pick, he's very bad at finding the screener again. Our team does a lot of screen and pop as opposed to screen and roll, and Milt many times misses an open Matt Bonner or Donyell Marshall after a screen, but this year till yesterday when that's happened he'd drive and make a layup, yesterday he showed us Vintage Milt Palacio If he just learnt how to use the clock efficiently, and when things break down create something he'd be a good PG, but he just get's confused a lot.
Those were the worst minutes in OT i have seen in my life. Palacio stunk it up. og15's analysis is a logical one. but hey!, atleast Palacio has been doing soome good for us. I want to know hwo Rooger Mason Jr. has been progressing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> yesterday he showed us Vintage Milt Palacio </div> Anyways, I have no respect for Palacio as an offesnive player, or even a point guard. Regardless, he had been playing well for the past couple of games prior to the Detriot game but that doesn't mean I changed my opinion on him. I despise watchign him for the following reasons: He has an inconsistent shot and usually can't buy a shot to save his life. He is out of control on the break. He can't run the point. He drives to the hoop and doesn't look at the basket when he's shooting (this happened A LOT last year) He misses far too many layups/drives. He annoys me. He joins my prestige list of players I absolutely hate watching when they are playing for the Raptors. Other honourable mentions to my infamous list: Kevin Willis [inconsistent baby-hooks and stupid turnovers], Lindsey Hunter [was out of control when he was with the Raptors, played exactly like Milt does]. And of course, Milt Palacio [same reasons as Lindey, but even worse]
Milt can't run the point, especially in pressute situations like the Piston game. He has to let Rafer run the point, and he let down the whole team by dribblin' the ball all over the place and holding on to it. Milt has to recognize Rafer is a creative point guard, alot more creative than himself. Mitchell should've took out Milt, he didn't know what was going on and caused the loss for his team. The thing that will make the difference, is if he can learn from his mistakes. I think Milt will learn from that experience, if he becomes a better player? That is totally up to him, I think he can do it but time will tell.
I thought Roger Mason played prety good during the pre-season...errr...I think Sam should of kept him in and gave him a shot
You live and die with Milt Palacio. His decisions suck but somehow he manages to go through spurts where he plays really well. Keeping him in the 4th quarter against Detroit was not the smartest move on Sam Mitchells part either.
Thank Goodness I finally found some other non-fans of Milt Palacio. Spawn and OG15 thank you for noticing the fine points of Milt's game. He drives me nuts when he's on the floor. Does he have any clue what he's doing out there? The Pistions game was absolutely the most disgusting display of pick n' roll runs I've ever seen. Who the hell takes the pick then drives and draws the Wallace boys and then just drops there head and says Damn I've got to get out of here? If you draw the defense you have to be able to dish to the open man for an easy layup. Isn't that common knowledge? MILT CANNOT PASS THE BALL. Watch him play. The only pass he can make is to swing the ball around the perimeter. I can't believe that Grunwald signed this guy for like 2 million a year! Thanks Glen! I can't wait until Babcock starts to build this team this summer.
Even with all this I think he can still be an All-Star, it would be an insult if he didn't make the All-Star team this year, he's been my constant write-in vote
this milt bashing thread is absurd. milt is a backup and shouldn't be forced to be the playmaker in the critical junctions of the game. blame coach mitchell for that not milt, the ball should be in rafers hands. btw, did anybody see coach mitchell grab rafer by the jersey and scold the dude. yeah, attacking the little man, again!!! coach mitchell's play calling in the closing minutes of most games is confounding, to be polite. why does milt have the ball, why is donyell taking off balance 3 point shots, why does matt bonner have the ball with seconds left and how about cb4's final shot in detroit? and another thing, it appears donyell is being exposed playing the center spot by much bigger and more physical dudes, of the ben wallace elk. loren woods needs to play more, the rebounding differential against the raptors isn't as lopsided when he's on the floor.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Even with all this I think he can still be an All-Star, it would be an insult if he didn't make the All-Star team this year, he's been my constant write-in vote </div> I will assume that was sarcasm. Everybody's write in should be Rafer
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">this milt bashing thread is absurd. milt is a backup and shouldn't be forced to be the playmaker in the critical junctions of the game. blame coach mitchell for that not milt, the ball should be in rafers hands. btw, did anybody see coach mitchell grab rafer by the jersey and scold the dude. yeah, attacking the little man, again!!! coach mitchell's play calling in the closing minutes of most games is confounding, to be polite. why does milt have the ball, why is donyell taking off balance 3 point shots, why does matt bonner have the ball with seconds left and how about cb4's final shot in detroit? and another thing, it appears donyell is being exposed playing the center spot by much bigger and more physical dudes, of the ben wallace elk. loren woods needs to play more, the rebounding differential against the raptors isn't as lopsided when he's on the floor.</div> Like I said in the Mitchell evaluation thread, as much as a lot of people didn't like KO, if it was a game winning shot, or down the stretch, he knew how to execute a play that would get us an open shot or drive. Mitchell's plays in such situations don't compare, they're not nearly as organized of smooth, and you never know who they really want the ball to get to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Like I said in the Mitchell evaluation thread, as much as a lot of people didn't like KO, if it was a game winning shot, or down the stretch, he knew how to execute a play that would get us an open shot or drive. Mitchell's plays in such situations don't compare, they're not nearly as organized of smooth, and you never know who they really want the ball to get to.</div> yeah but i don't like the notion of playing your starters 40+ minutes nightly, the raptors were rarely in those situations against elite teams. the raptors have had impressive wins thus far this season, so i kinda prefer mitchell at this point. he's revitalized milt, lammond, rafer and loren woods; those aforementioned players probably wouldn't get any PT in KO's system. plus, running every play through jalen and vince was a seriously flawed notion, exposed when those two were out of the lineup. remember when they lost 9 straight with those two out of the lineup, the raptors were too dependant on the synthetic stars.
I prefer to cut Milt some slack. Yes he sucks as a point guard in a half-court scenerio and all the criticisms are valid, but at least he is capable of doing things that really benefit this team and Mitchell's style of play. After Carter and Alston, he's the next player who capable of effectively breaking down opposing defence and penetrating to the bucket. His speed and ability to push the ball in transition are huge pluses as well. He's not good enough to be a starting pg but so far he's been leading the Zoo Crew in their surprisingly good season. What we saw in Detroit in the fourth quarter, I prefer to place the blame on Mitchell instead. Everyone knows that if you have both Alston and Milt on the court at the same time, it should be Alston running the point. But for some odd reason, he elected to go with Milt running it instead. It would've been nice to have Milt playing the 2 with Rafer at 1, but who knows what Mitchell was thinking.
I disagree. I'm sure Mitchell did not call a play that has Milt dribble the ball for 20 seconds. He drew up a High Pick n` Roll. Milt and CB4 couldn't get their timing, and Milt dribbled the ball around instead of passing the ball. Milt does have an ability to get to the net, but he rarely finishes, and now teams know he can't pass so it makes his drives pretty much useless.
Common, he's not a horrible passer, he's okay, and he actually learnt to make layup this year and also improved his jumpshot so he can sometimes hit open ones as opposed to last year where he never hit open ones. I was playing NBA Live with my brother and Milt hit 3 three's in the game even though they were lucky since they all went in off the backboard, it's that fact that he hit them that counts. GO MILT!
