<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Well said by this you can see that Kobe given the circumstances and the people around him will make the most of his team and will never give up because he is one of the very few players in this game that has love for the game.</div> Ah, and you found my hidden message, also.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">What does your answer "Great." mean? Is that agreeing? Or is that u being a smartass by using sarcasm?</div> You decide. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you think Kobe cares whether Rudy agrees or not? I don't think so. It's all about Kobe. He gets whatever he wants. That aside, let's say Rudy's been telling Odom to move and Odom still doesn't move. Kobe is the team leader. If Odom doesn't like to move despite Rudy yelling at him, then Kobe should do his job as a team leader and tell Odom to play harder. If Kobe's done that and Odom still doesn't move, then it's time to trade him.</div> Well, Kobe's been getting into others' heads and making them play better (Cook being the most surprising). So, go ahead and assume that Kobe doesn't care, and that Rudy lets Kobe do what he wants. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, then why don't Kobe or Rudy get them moving?</div> That's like asking, "Why doesn't Rudy make Atkins play better defense?" <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">ok...</div> Ok. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">How about, let's not? How about, let's discuss the issue without any Kobe-bias? My posts might've sound like I'm attacking Kobe, but if you scroll up, I'm not. In fact, I didn't blame Kobe as much as defending KG. If you look at post #40, I started posting that in response to someone questioning KG as a ballhog.</div> You question Kobe as a ballhog is like me questioning KG as one. If you wanna post negatives about Kobe, you've got the right to...but if they aren't backed up by the appropriate credentials, expect me to shoot it down every time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">You decide.</div> Given your attitude, I'll go with the latter. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">That's like asking, "Why doesn't Rudy make Atkins play better defense?"</div> Actually, that's not even the same thing... what a horrible analogy. Atkins can't play defense even if Rudy ask him to, but players CAN move around if they're told can't they? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">You question Kobe as a ballhog is like me questioning KG as one. If you wanna post negatives about Kobe, you've got the right to...but if they aren't backed up by the appropriate credentials, expect me to shoot it down every time.</div> Let's get one thing straight buddy. It was you who started to accuse of KG with being a ballhog, not passing enough, etc. It was you who started posting negatives about KG. I merely tried to defend him. I'm not out to prove that Kobe's a ballhog. All I said was that he shot too much in the game vs Orlando and that's it. Geez, some people need to learn how to read a post.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, that's not even the same thing... what a horrible analogy. Atkins can't play defense even if Rudy ask him to, but players CAN move around if they're told can't they?</div> Actually, no. Some players don't know how to play off the ball. Some don't understand how to setup an effective screen. Some can't quite grap the concept of getting open for a shot. When you've got the ball in your hands 24/7 because nobody else can create for themselves or for anyone else, there's no such thing as playing off the ball. What did I say? Well, as simple as I can put it, Kobe will be launching shots if everyone else just stands there...and if they can't move effectively, then they can't...simple as that. How about this analogy? Kobe is an incredible clutch shooter...yet, when Rudy has put the ball in his hands and TOLD him to make the shot twice this year, he's missed both times. But...he told him to...I thought. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's get one thing straight buddy. It was you who started to accuse of KG with being a ballhog, not passing enough, etc. It was you who started posting negatives about KG. I merely tried to defend him. I'm not out to prove that Kobe's a ballhog. All I said was that he shot too much in the game vs Orlando and that's it. Geez, some people need to learn how to read a post.</div> Here ya go. I know how to read. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Reason why people don't knock on KG nor MJ for taking a million shots per game is because they actually make them, unlike Kobe, who's currently shooting UNDER 40%. Leader or not, that is unacceptable. MJ shot over 50% (ridiculous for a guard) and KG currently shoots 10% BETTER than Kobe right now and that's a HUGE difference. When you have players that are making around 50% of their shots, nobody's gonna knock them for not passing that much...</div> Now, in my other posts, I simply said that if people want to knock on Kobe for taking too many shots and not passing enough, then they should do the same to Garnett, and pretty much everyone else. Not once did I call him a ballhog...but if Kobe is, so is Garnett. If you find the post where I did say the word ballhog or selfish, show me. This discussion is over.
This discussion stopped being intelligent the second you post about KG not passing enough.. I regret even participating in it. Could you please lock this thread or delete my posts as you see fit? You seem to not have any problems deleting my previous posts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">This discussion stopped being intelligent the second you post about KG not passing enough.. I regret even participating in it. Could you please lock this thread or delete my posts as you see fit? You seem to not have any problems deleting my previous posts.</div> I've only seen one personal attack (and I've taken care of that), so I don't feel like the thread needs to be locked because of a debate that is clearly over. However, any other post NOT dealing with the Clippers game, or any players' performances, will be deleted.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">This discussion stopped being intelligent the second you post about KG not passing enough.. I regret even participating in it. Could you please lock this thread or delete my posts as you see fit? You seem to not have any problems deleting my previous posts.</div> I dont see a problem of deleting unnecessary posts either especially your kind of Posts where you turn everything around. To make it seem as if youre right all the time.
I saw all these posts and I thought their was some nice Clippers discussion going on, guess not Also I read the whole KG having good teammates thing, but what about before Spree and Cassell came and Szerbiak was injured, and all he had was Troy Hudson, I think he still shot 50% and average 6 dimes a game...and all the previous years too... ...well, maybe next time I can hope for some nice Clippers debate, till next time....
