Well first off, I would complete a deal with the Miami Heat that would involve Jalen Rose and Eddie Jones. A trade has been rumored about this deal, since Damon Jones has moved to the starting line-up, playing the 2, the Heat believe Rose would be a better fit than Eddie Jones at the 3. But the problem there is, Rose is a better player than Jones, Jones is 2 years older, and both have similar contracts, but Rose makes 1-3 million more. Also, even though Rose isnt a fit for the Raptors, he has been playing well, he just forces up shots, which he wont have to do because of the open looks he will recieve from Shaq. So, I believe if a trade were to go through, it would involve Miami?s first round pick, which would be a pick between 24-30. Second, I would trade Vince Carter, Donyell Marshall, Loren Woods for Jamal Magloire, their first round pick and a good role player. It may seem the Raptors are giving up way too much, since Vince is reportedly only out 2 weeks, as where Magloire is out 3 months, and Donyell Marshall is a great role player, who can get a double-double any given night, and Loren Woods who is a solid Center. But, you have to remember, with the season the Hornets are having, the will have a lottery pick, possibly top 3. So, after all these transactions we have a line-up of PG: Rafer Alston SG: Eddie Jones SF: Lamond Murray PF: Chris Bosh C: Jamal Magloire (injured) But, that wont is the line-up we will go with. In my opinion, if we?re still struggling, and have a record on the lines of 7-20, we should tank the season. Meaning, allowing Magloire all the time he needs to recover. Giving Bosh more touches, getting Rafael Araujo more playing time, so he can get accustomed to the game, and develop faster than he has in the beginning of the season. Give Pape Sow some playing time, who plays good D, blocks shots, and rebounds. So at the end of the season, we would have two lottery draft picks, one that?s is ours, and one that is the Hornets, which both could possibly be 1-5 picks. Then we go into draft night, (assuming we have one top 3 pick) and draft small forward Nemanja Aleksandrov (Scouting Report) and with our next high pick, we draft Shooting Guard JR Giddens (Scouting Report). The other draft pick we receive in the Rose deal, would then be given to the Cleveland Cavaliers to complete the trade for Lamond Murray, where we owe a pick from 16-30. Then free agency comes, we offer PG Frank Willams some part of our MLE, and possibly pursue other free agents, preferably a veteran small forward. And here is our future line-up: C: Jamal Magloire/Rafael Araujo PF: Chris Bosh/Matt Bonner SF: Nemanja Aleksandrov/Morris Peterson/Lamond Murray SG: JR Giddens/Eddie Jones/Lamond Murray PG: Rafer Alston/Frank Williams
You do realize that the Raptor team you assembled looks much worse there than the current team. Most of your points are unrealistic and not reasonable. I'm not even going to waste my time making comments.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">You do realize that the Raptor team you assembled looks much worse there than the current team. Most of your points are unrealistic and not reasonable. I'm not even going to waste my time making comments.</div> What?s unrealistic? and not reasonable? With the team we have right now, its garbage, we don't have a contender. We need a big man who can rebound and who has some sort of a post game. We get younger, alot younger. We get rid of a cancer in Rose, and Carter wants out, which certainly isn't helping this team. We have a face to the basket game in Bosh, and Back to the basket game in Magloire. Namenja, from the scouting reports, sounds awesome. We need a shooting guard, and Giddens (from reports) is deadly from behind the arc. If we tank the season, we give Araujo more playing time, thus allowing him to develop. We give more touches to Bosh, since Rose and Carter won't be here, and Magloire is on the IL. Marshall is going to walk after the season, looking for a better deal, so why not trade him? Please tell me what?s unreasonable about the moves I made in my original post?
it doesnt sound unreasonalbe....if those draft picks ended up being quality it might be alright for future years...but i believe their record will still suck next year, until they developed. I'm not so sure Babcock is willing to completely right off the next 2 years.
WOw... the season just started... we can't right it off yet.. I still believe the raps will turn this thing around.. I love mitchell, and he will do well.. As per the trade y'all talking about above.. it sucks, really suck. Eddie jones is done, period. I dont think the raps should give away Donyell marshall, he's a good role player. Trade VC and JR, Jerome moiso and palacio, and get maglore, perhaps pj brown, with a couple of good role players and develop chemistry, that will fix the problems.
You're just throwing out a bunch of trade proposals assuming that the other GM's would accept. Like the Carter deal, your giving up like 19 million in salary in exchange for like 5-6 million in Magloire? Not happening, even with the other "role" player in the deal, it can't happen because were not taking mashburn, and PJ brown salary isn't big enough, but it's also too big and long for us to take in any deal. Also, what makes you assume the Hornets would give up their pick? They're in a rebuilding process, BD is going to be traded, so they need something to help them go back in the playoffs. Carter isn't going to bring them to the playoffs in the West that's for sure. The Hornets would much rather keep their pick and draft a point like Chris Paul to replace him, or a PF like Chris Taft. Secondly, the Heat won't trade Eddie Jones for Jalens Contract. They need more quality cheaper players on their team. They don't need Shaq and Jalen taking up 3/4 of their salary. Why do we have to get Frank Williams using part of our MLE? We can get him now by giving up a 2nd rounder. Their are much better FA's out there than him. Raps won't have 3 first rounders this year, and it's not a good plan either. We don't need youngsters coming into one system if we're trying to build around Bosh and Magloire. All of this is extremely unrealistic when you put it all together. I'd be shocked if even one of those trades or moves you proposed, occurs this season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">You're just throwing out a bunch of trade proposals assuming that the other GM's would accept. Like the Carter deal, your giving up like 19 million in salary in exchange for like 5-6 million in Magloire? Not happening, even with the other "role" player in the deal, it can't happen because were not taking mashburn, and PJ brown salary isn't big enough, but it's also too big and long for us to take in any deal. Also, what makes you assume the Hornets would give up their pick? They're in a rebuilding process, BD is going to be traded, so they need something to help them go back in the playoffs. Carter isn't going to bring them to the playoffs in the West that's for sure. The Hornets would much rather keep their pick and draft a point like Chris Paul to replace him, or a PF like Chris Taft. Secondly, the Heat won't trade Eddie Jones for Jalens Contract. They need more quality cheaper players on their team. They don't need Shaq and Jalen taking up 3/4 of their salary. Why do we have to get Frank Williams using part of our MLE? We can get him now by giving up a 2nd rounder. Their are much better FA's out there than him. Raps won't have 3 first rounders this year, and it's not a good plan either. We don't need youngsters coming into one system if we're trying to build around Bosh and Magloire. All of this is extremely unrealistic when you put it all together. I'd be shocked if even one of those trades or moves you proposed, occurs this season.</div> First of all, I didnt say that would happen, I said this is what I would do, try to get those deals. There's been rumors of Magloire for Carter swap, to help out New Orleans attendance situation. So that isnt totally unreasonable, im basing my trades on rumors, and I'm adding a little more to it. There's a rumor going around that would send Rose to Miamie in exchange for Eddie Jones, check it out, I also posted that yesterday. It is a possibility, because Rose would be a better fit at the SF position. When I say part of the MLE, I could be meaning 1 million. We need a backup point guard, and I see alot of potential in him. Also to add, ofcourse I have to assume the GM accepts, if they don't, I cant make the other deals that I have proposed in the original post.
Invite Percy Hill A.K.A Master P back to training camp. Allow him to start at sg, coach and gm all at the same time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Invite Percy Hill A.K.A Master P back to training camp. Allow him to start at sg, coach and gm all at the same time.</div>We can re-name on the club Toronto No limit Soldiers ON a more serious note..... I am not adverse to Toronto losing more games, as long as they are committed to losing. The way this club is headed our future looks really bleak. VC needs to come off the books along with Jalen. Lose the games this year and build through the draft. If Toronto rebuilds we need to do it right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Invite Percy Hill A.K.A Master P back to training camp. Allow him to start at sg, coach and gm all at the same time.</div> Isn't it Percy Miller?? for Master P? ... Anywho... I hope TO does do the trade with Hornets... involving Vc/Rose/Moiso?/Marshall for PJ Brown/Magloire/BDiddy?? ... possible starting S/L Magloire Bosh Mo Pete Baron Alston.... With this backcourt and Mitchell's uptempo offense it would be crazy... plus Baron is more suited at the 2 guard than PG... PJ would be a good bench player putting in some quality minutes...
OK HERE'S WHAT I WOULD DO 1) Trade Jalen Rose for Eddie Jones and a 1st rounder next year 2) Trade Vince Carter for SAR, Quintel Woods and a 1st rounder This Years Lineup Center - Woods, Moiso, Aroujo Forwards - Bosh, Marshell, SAR, MoPete, Bonner, L. Murray, Sow, Q. Woods Gaurds - Alston, E. Jones, Palacio, Mason Jr. (MoPete, Woods, Murray can all sub) *side note I think a rotation like the one below could work C-Woods PF-SAR/Marshall (whoever you want) SF-Bosh (He might be more effective here) SG-E.Jones/MoPete (whoever you want) PG-Alston NEXT YEAR 3) Give Miami pick to Clevelend to clear things up 4)a) Draft 2 solid players, pref. Gaurd and Center 4) Attempt to move up the draft by trading 2 for 1 picks (Paul, Giddens, Taft) 5) Sign Joe Johnson OR Bobby Simmons to a contract (slighly overpay if necessary) 6) Resign Donyell Marshall 7) Sign Frank Williams like MLT suggested 8) Sign Diop as a reclemation project 7)a) OR if its there, dont do F. Williams or Diop and make a run at Dalembert Next years starting lineup. Center- Woods, Aroujo, *Diop/Dalembert PF - Bosh, Marshall, Bonner, Sow SF - MoPete, L. Murray, Quintel Woods SG - Joe Johson, Eddie Jones PG - Alston, Alvin Williams, *Frank Williams, Milt Palacio OR Center- Woods, Aroujo, *Diop/Dalembert PF - Bosh, Marshall, Bonner, Sow SF - Bobby Simmons, L. Murray, Quintel Woods SG - MoPete, Eddie Jones PG - Alston, Alvin Williams, *Frank Williams, Milt Palacio AND WE STILL HAVE 2 1ST ROUNDERS TO THROW INTO THE MIX. The most glaring hole would be Center. Giddens would really help our SG's, Taft might work as Center. Of course Paul would be great too. * depending on trade/signing route
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post"> Secondly, the Heat won't trade Eddie Jones for Jalens Contract. They need more quality cheaper players on their team. They don't need Shaq and Jalen taking up 3/4 of their salary.</div> Why not? Jalen and Eddie's contracts are for the same lenght of time, and Eddie only makes 2 million less a year. Also, Eddie's playing horrible, he's not even on Rose's level, and thats saying alot. And, like's been said he's playing out of position. I think they'd do a Rose for Eddie contract any day of the week, which is why we'd also want a first rounder. You're right that they want young talented guys for Eddie, but i want Shaq for Moiso....you're not always gunna get what you want. No ones gunna take on Eddie Jones. He's playing like craaaaaaaap, and his contract is as bad as Rose's.
