Warriors vs. Bobcats Game Thread 12/12/04

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Please, be curtious to other members. Personal attacks such as this are by no means necessary. If you have a problem with a member, don't take it public, as the rest of the board need not know about it. Posts such as this will not be tolerated in the future.

Moo2K4</div>

Yes sir...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Just explain, how that is good basketball?

I tell it like it is based on what I perceive to be good basketball or not.

You ever see Duncan or Garnett dog it up a floor and cherry picking because they are upset over a call? How about Kobe? Those guys bust their butts on both ends and never get caught bucket hanging. That's why they win. That's the type of basketball that the Warriors need to start showing. That's why I will not cheer some cherry picking play who needs a T because he is not getting back on D.</div>

Your right but I can feel for JRich. He really has no room to operate because he rarely gets the opportunity to go one on one. He's the main focus of other teams. With that being said someone like JRich deserves to get some of those calls. That possession where he was trying to get a T was awful officiating. After that Orlando game, where the refs robbed him of that continuation, he was frustrated. JRich is not a bum and has to get those calls. This may sound unfair but better players in the league deserve to get the benefit of the doubt on calls. THE END.

PhilSmith, I think your right about Dun. Last night he didn't he didn't have a great offensive game but he had a complete floor game. 15 boards, dimes, ball movement, better hustle. Dunleavy is the type of player to quietly help his team. Those kind of players don't demand max type dollars and with our cap situation we could lock him up without Cohan sh*tting his pants.

 

I liked the way Dunleavy and Murph played yesterday and we didn't really need much else from them other than to play defense after the lead was built. Jrich got me frustrated several times with his celebrating after a dunk over Brezec and not getting back in time on defense and then again when he didn't agree with the call driving toward the basket and just stayed on the other end of the court while there were only 4 guys back playing D. I can't stand players that aren't willing to work hard on the defensive end and those displays pretty much sum up my love/hate relationship of Richardson's game. Yes he may be a 20 points per game scorer, but he sure isn't going to spread the defensive intensity to the rest of the team. I'm sure he got chewed out by the coach for that btw.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">That possession where he was trying to get a T was awful officiating.</div>I couldn't agree more. Two Warriors got manhandled to the ground on that play, one of which was JR who ended up tangled up with a cameraman under the basket, and not surprisingly the Bobcats ended up with a 5 on 3 fast break.

I HATE cherry pickers, and I think JR should have ran harder to get back. However, even at a dead sprint there is no way he could have gotten past half court before the steal was made. And hey, we got the 4 point swing, and we got the win, I'm not complaining. 'Nuff said.

Oh, and to prove that I'm not infatuated with Cheaney, I'll be the first one to say that he played horribly last night.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I liked the way Dunleavy and Murph played yesterday and we didn't really need much else from them other than to play defense after the lead was built. Jrich got me frustrated several times with his celebrating after a dunk over Brezec and not getting back in time on defense and then again when he didn't agree with the call driving toward the basket and just stayed on the other end of the court while there were only 4 guys back playing D. I can't stand players that aren't willing to work hard on the defensive end and those displays pretty much sum up my love/hate relationship of Richardson's game. Yes he may be a 20 points per game scorer, but he sure isn't going to spread the defensive intensity to the rest of the team. I'm sure he got chewed out by the coach for that btw.</div>

Thanks. Bingo.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks. Bingo.</div>
Keep in mind I'm not a huge fan of Jrich. Just because I don't like Dunleavy doesn't mean that I MUST like Jrich. Jrich does all kind of mistakes but he finds some way to score. I mean he won the Dallas game today off that putback. Good for him so cut him some slack.

I'll you who I am a fan of. I'm a fan of guys like Speedy, Cliff, Murphy, Pietrus when it comes Warriors. But I guess you could say my kind of player is a guy that gets it done on both ends of the court and does a little bit of everything like shoot, hit free throws, rebound, play defense, and has an impact on the way the game is played. Playing aggressive, showing toughness and hustle is a trait I admire too. Pietrus is the most aggressive since Brian Cardinal left and Speedy is the best hustle player, but you wouldn't know it he is so quick. I think Murphy is the toughest warrior on the roster because the dude was coughing up blood last year after Bradley hard fouled him on a dunk attempt, he got up, shot and made both of his free throws, and went to get x-rayed. That's tough.

Anyway if that was a reply hinted at scoring one for the Dunleavy-lovers out there, you have to learn that Dunleavy-haters don't automatically mean Jrich-lovers. Actually I shouldn't be fans of any of the Warriors because they end up leaving to go to another team anyway. It's kind of pointless. I bet you I will have to end up changing my sig in a few days like with Boykins, Jamison, Arenas, Cardinal etc.

 

Custodian,

I love the type of players you mention. The guys who do not make the highlights but who do all the little things that lead to a win; the ones who tip a pass, who are in the right place at the right time, who do not score the bucket but make the pass that breaks the press.

The guys that the Warriors have lost, Cardinal, Boykins, were those types of players. I see Murphy as that type of player, who plays both ends hard, especially the glass.

I never thought that Arenas or Dampier (except for last year) was that type of player. Jamison was not a great defender but he tried and rebounded.

JRich just rubs me the wrong way because he makes such awful defensive plays, I mean you can know that you have help but don't just let the guy waltz past you to his strong hand. I have been around defensively challeged players all my life but you can make up for a lot with hustle and effort.

Yes Dunleavy is defensively challenged but I think he has a huge upside and is the type of player who will blossom once he gets to play with others who trusts him and will also have court sense.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Custodian,

I love the type of players you mention. The guys who do not make the highlights but who do all the little things that lead to a win; the ones who tip a pass, who are in the right place at the right time, who do not score the bucket but make the pass that breaks the press.

The guys that the Warriors have lost, Cardinal, Boykins, were those types of players. I see Murphy as that type of player, who plays both ends hard, especially the glass.

I never thought that Arenas or Dampier (except for last year) was that type of player. Jamison was not a great defender but he tried and rebounded.

JRich just rubs me the wrong way because he makes such awful defensive plays, I mean you can know that you have help but don't just let the guy waltz past you to his strong hand. I have been around defensively challeged players all my life but you can make up for a lot with hustle and effort.

Yes Dunleavy is defensively challenged but I think he has a huge upside and is the type of player who will blossom once he gets to play with others who trusts him and will also have court sense.</div>
I think as long as our players have good attitudes on both ends of the floor I think I'll like them. Also, I wouldn't say I was a huge fan of Jamison's game, but I liked how nothing ever upset him. The problem I had with him was he was not aggressive at times, he was deliberately lazy on defense and was a ballhog, but he was our best player and it's hard to hate on your best proven offensive player. Also the reason I liked Arenas was because I had my doubts about him being able to play point guard, but he turned out to be a jewel in the 2nd round. I believed his defense would get better along with his playmaking, but we just had too many young talents and not enough veterans and coaches to make sure the young talents were playing the right way and not just to pad their stats and play for contracts. There's really no reason why Jamison or Arenas couldn't be average to good nba defenders. It's a matter of attitude and maturity. They definitely have the nba body they are intelligent enough to play the game the right way they just needed the leadership and mentoring I thought. Dampier I liked, but his attitude just sucks. I still wish we had him over Foyle though, but Dallas was crazy enough to pay him.