Matt Jones - Arkansas QB/WR/TE/RB 6' 6" 242 lbs With the Eagles early pick in the 2nd, I REALLY think they should take this guy. He's 6'6", 242 lbs and he runs a sub 4.4 in the 40. In the combine, he dropped only one pass in a position he never played. He ranked 2nd in Arkansas history in both throwing yards and TD's, not to mention how he crushed the SEC QB rushing record. No one has him going in the first round, most people say the 3rd round, but why? I say with one of the Eagles 2nd round picks, preferably the 35th pick overall, they draft this guy. I mean with enough time you could put him at DE. No one would be able to block him. But, with some time working at the WR spot, in a year or two I could see him as another top WR. He ran the same 40 time as Vick his rookie year, and he's 40 times bigger. Who can cover that? Go ahead, put a corner on him, but the biggest cornberback a teams gonna have is still going to be lacking something compared to Jones. If you put a LB, or even a safety on him, then they'll just watch Jones run by them. In my eyes, whoever drafts this guy is definetly gonna luck out, even if they draft him and put him at QB. The Eagles don't need a QB, but a unique player like this is hard to pass by. You put Matt Jones on one side, and TO on the other. Throw Westbrook in the middle and put the ball in McNabb's hands and defenses will have a serious problem covering.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>Matt Jones - Arkansas QB/WR/TE/RB 6' 6" 242 lbs With the Eagles early pick in the 2nd, I REALLY think they should take this guy. He's 6'6", 242 lbs and he runs a sub 4.4 in the 40. In the combine, he dropped only one pass in a position he never played. He ranked 2nd in Arkansas history in both throwing yards and TD's, not to mention how he crushed the SEC QB rushing record. No one has him going in the first round, most people say the 3rd round, but why? I say with one of the Eagles 2nd round picks, preferably the 35th pick overall, they draft this guy. I mean with enough time you could put him at DE. No one would be able to block him. But, with some time working at the WR spot, in a year or two I could see him as another top WR. He ran the same 40 time as Vick his rookie year, and he's 40 times bigger. Who can cover that? Go ahead, put a corner on him, but the biggest cornberback a teams gonna have is still going to be lacking something compared to Jones. If you put a LB, or even a safety on him, then they'll just watch Jones run by them. In my eyes, whoever drafts this guy is definetly gonna luck out, even if they draft him and put him at QB. The Eagles don't need a QB, but a unique player like this is hard to pass by. You put Matt Jones on one side, and TO on the other. Throw Westbrook in the middle and put the ball in McNabb's hands and defenses will have a serious problem covering.</div> LOL. He is not going to be a QB, he is not going to be and DE, and he is not definately not going to be a corner. He is going to play WR/TE type position.
Damn, Im living the good life....sleep til noon, wake up and debunk the Eagles Spin Factory.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook'] With the Eagles early pick in the 2nd, I REALLY think they should take this guy. He's 6'6", 242 lbs and he runs a sub 4.4 in the 40.[/quote] He ran 4.41 at the combine, explain how thats sub. 4.4.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook'] not to mention how he crushed the SEC QB rushing record.[/quote] Wow, the QB rushing record at a school where they thrwo the ball, he should be proud.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']No one has him going in the first round, most people say the 3rd round, but why?[/quote] Perhaps its because his arm makes Jay Feidler look like Hercules....hes never played any of the other positions in a college game, so hes a risk at anything but QB, and there aint no way in hell he can play QB in the NFL.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']I say with one of the Eagles 2nd round picks, preferably the 35th pick overall, they draft this guy.[/quote] Thats a bit high for a risk/reward player like Jones, hes more likely to be a bust than a good player, he does have potential though based on his size/speed combo.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']I mean with enough time you could put him at DE. No one would be able to block him.[/quote] Either your joking or drunk....no way he ever plays on the line....he may not even be able to play TE because hes never blocked and he lacks strength.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']But, with some time working at the WR spot, in a year or two I could see him as another top WR.[/quote] Thats possible, I could see him being a hell of a weapon in the league, but I could see him being nothing a lot easier....hes risk/reward and hes more likely to be a wasted pick than a good player.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']He ran the same 40 time as Vick his rookie year, and he's 40 times bigger. Who can cover that?[/quote] No he didnt, Vick ran 4.36 and there are reports that he ran 4.25 at VaTech(VaTech is notorious for embelishing those times) [quote name='BrianWestbrook']If you put a LB, or even a safety on him, then they'll just watch Jones run by them.[/quote] Nearly every NFL safety will be able to run with him....they get a huge head starts....hes similar to Teyo Johnson of the Raiders, they are the same size and the same speed....look at his production to get an idea on what Jones might do.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']You put Matt Jones on one side, and TO on the other. Throw Westbrook in the middle and put the ball in McNabb's hands and defenses will have a serious problem covering.[/quote] Defenses already have that problem, adding Matt Jones isnt goign to help for atleast a few years....the Eagles are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl, they need players that can help right now, not in a few years....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Defenses already have that problem, adding Matt Jones isnt goign to help for atleast a few years....the Eagles are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl, they need players that can help right now, not in a few years....</div> Yeah, but are they going to be able to draft a QB who doesnt choke in big games, and get him ready for super bowl in time anyway?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but are they going to be able to draft a QB who doesnt choke in big games, and get him ready for super bowl in time anyway?</div> I heard that Tom Brady is upset w/ his new contract & wants to be traded to Philly.
[quote name='TheBeef']Damn, Im living the good life....sleep til noon, wake up and debunk the Eagles Spin Factory.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook'] With the Eagles early pick in the 2nd, I REALLY think they should take this guy. He's 6'6", 242 lbs and he runs a sub 4.4 in the 40.[/quote] He ran 4.41 at the combine, explain how thats sub. 4.4.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook'] not to mention how he crushed the SEC QB rushing record.[/quote] Wow, the QB rushing record at a school where they thrwo the ball, he should be proud.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']No one has him going in the first round, most people say the 3rd round, but why?[/quote] Perhaps its because his arm makes Jay Feidler look like Hercules....hes never played any of the other positions in a college game, so hes a risk at anything but QB, and there aint no way in hell he can play QB in the NFL.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']I say with one of the Eagles 2nd round picks, preferably the 35th pick overall, they draft this guy.[/quote] Thats a bit high for a risk/reward player like Jones, hes more likely to be a bust than a good player, he does have potential though based on his size/speed combo.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']I mean with enough time you could put him at DE. No one would be able to block him.[/quote] Either your joking or drunk....no way he ever plays on the line....he may not even be able to play TE because hes never blocked and he lacks strength.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']But, with some time working at the WR spot, in a year or two I could see him as another top WR.[/quote] Thats possible, I could see him being a hell of a weapon in the league, but I could see him being nothing a lot easier....hes risk/reward and hes more likely to be a wasted pick than a good player.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']He ran the same 40 time as Vick his rookie year, and he's 40 times bigger. Who can cover that?[/quote] No he didnt, Vick ran 4.36 and there are reports that he ran 4.25 at VaTech(VaTech is notorious for embelishing those times) [quote name='BrianWestbrook']If you put a LB, or even a safety on him, then they'll just watch Jones run by them.[/quote] Nearly every NFL safety will be able to run with him....they get a huge head starts....hes similar to Teyo Johnson of the Raiders, they are the same size and the same speed....look at his production to get an idea on what Jones might do.... [quote name='BrianWestbrook']You put Matt Jones on one side, and TO on the other. Throw Westbrook in the middle and put the ball in McNabb's hands and defenses will have a serious problem covering.[/quote] Defenses already have that problem, adding Matt Jones isnt goign to help for atleast a few years....the Eagles are on the verge of winning the Super Bowl, they need players that can help right now, not in a few years....[/quote] 1. According to the article on ESPN, he ran a 4.4 electronic and a 4.37 hand-timed, that's how it's sub 4.4 2. I said SEC rushing record, not team. Read next time, there's a difference between a whole conference than a whole team last time I checked 3. Actually he played WR in 2 games, once again thanks to the article on ESPN. Like I said, he dropped one pass in the combine workouts and what I saw him do was impressive for someone not only his size, but his lack of experience. 4. Grabbing him this early could be a good idea, it was a suggestion and since, like you said, he could be a good player. Maybe an impact player, maybe not, I was merely saying with his size and speed he could be a good player. 5. This was only to illustrate the point of his combination of size and speed. If he adds some weight, he'd have the build of a DE with amazing speed. 6. There is risk and there is reward with every player, and there is no way for anyone to be able to determine which is greater for certain, and that includes you. 7. Vick ran a 4.36, and Matt Jones ran a 4.37 hand-timed, I'm sorry if I was off by a hundreth of a second. And no, I'm not wrong 8. It'll take a large safety to bring down Matt Jones if he became productive, and while the safety has the head start you can run a 5 yard button and then let him roll. But I'd leave the playcalling up to McNabb and Childress. 9. Maybe he can become an impact player? You don't know, I don't know. Who else will we pick up to help us right away? Name them, go ahead. Matt Jones has the chance to be an impact player in his first year just as much as anyone else. Now do I need to explain more? Christ get off the Eagles' cases. When someone attacks you guys personally, all you say is "Oh jeez beat in the arguement so you attack them personally." Well stop trying to point everything an Eagles fan says as wrong when you don't even know what your talking about. I read an article on Matt Jones Tuesday after seeing him in the combine, and this topic was to discuss the possibility of him as an Eagle/in the NFL, not to try and prove someone wrong.
1. According to the article on ESPN, he ran a 4.4 electronic and a 4.37 hand-timed, that's how it's sub 4.4. Obviously the hand timed result is the more accurate result. 2. I said SEC rushing record, not team. Read next time, there's a difference between a whole conference than a whole team last time I checked SEC rushing record for QB's. Lets see how many SEC teams run option type offense ? NONE EVER. Congratulations on being the first person to do something and being the best at it. 3. Actually he played WR in 2 games, once again thanks to the article on ESPN. Like I said, he dropped one pass in the combine workouts and what I saw him do was impressive for someone not only his size, but his lack of experience. No one disputed he could catch the ball. 4. Grabbing him this early could be a good idea, it was a suggestion and since, like you said, he could be a good player. Maybe an impact player, maybe not, I was merely saying with his size and speed he could be a good player. Taking a player earlier than you have to is never a good idea. 5. This was only to illustrate the point of his combination of size and speed. If he adds some weight, he'd have the build of a DE with amazing speed. Way to illustrate a point. Way to show that his size and speed translate into a abilty to tackle, strength, and pass rush moves. 6. There is risk and there is reward with every player, and there is no way for anyone to be able to determine which is greater for certain, and that includes you. There is a risk to every player, some players the risk is much higher on. For example, when peyton got drafted there was a risk he would not make it as an NFL starter. The risk was a piano falling on him. If you draft matt jones, there is a risk he will never catch a pass, not be able to adjust to pro game. There is little actual game evidence he will be able to do it. 7. Vick ran a 4.36, and Matt Jones ran a 4.37 hand-timed, I'm sorry if I was off by a hundreth of a second. And no, I'm not wrong I love how you used the hand time over the computer, everyone knows computers are more error prone. 8. It'll take a large safety to bring down Matt Jones if he became productive, and while the safety has the head start you can run a 5 yard button and then let him roll. But I'd leave the playcalling up to McNabb and Childress. You are right only large safeties will be able to take hiim down. So sean taylor, and 3 other guys, vs every other team he will score at will. That or every defensive player in the league will be able to tackle him. THEY ARE PROS not LITTLE KIDS and they all can TACKLE. Now do I need to explain more? You never needed to explain. We were the ones trying to show you how wrong you are. You dont seem to get it Christ get off the Eagles' cases. NO. Besides, when we say things about Matt jones, it has noting to do with eagles, he probably never will. When someone attacks you guys personally, all you say is "Oh jeez beat in the arguement so you attack them personally." If people are attacking us personally, which you have obviously seen, then they did lose the arguement. Well stop trying to point everything an Eagles fan says as wrong when you don't even know what your talking about. Problem is that most things a lot of eagles fans say is wrong, we do know what we are talking about, and we arent going to let you post something wrong without a correction. I read an article on Matt Jones Tuesday after seeing him in the combine, Guess that makes you an expert on him. this topic was to discuss the possibility of him as an Eagle/in the NFL, not to try and prove someone wrong. No one disputed the reason you made the post, we only dispute the things you laid down as fact in your post, when they simply werent true.
Hand timing of the 40 is a joke in NFL circles....NFL scouts add .25 seconds to any hand time automatically if they have to rely on it....I would have thought you would know that....However, the hand time is great for you eagles fans, its inexact, which allows you guys to feed the spin monkey....I can see why you prefer it....the 4.36 that Vick ran was electronicly timed, he has several hand timed 40s at VaTech in the 4.25 range....of course, Lee Suggs ran a 4.27 hand time at VaTech, and we all see hes not a burner....human reflexes are not fast enough to hand time accurately, when you see a hand timed 40, ignore it, its bullshit....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>Christ get off the Eagles' cases. When someone attacks you guys personally, all you say is "Oh jeez beat in the arguement so you attack them personally." Well stop trying to point everything an Eagles fan says as wrong when you don't even know what your talking about. I read an article on Matt Jones Tuesday after seeing him in the combine, and this topic was to discuss the possibility of him as an Eagle/in the NFL, not to try and prove someone wrong.</div> I am not here to bash the possibility of Matt Jones as an Eagle or your desire to have him in Philly. Personally, He be an interesting addition to the Dolphins roster. Beef or BF1 don't starting the personal attacks rather defending w/ facts and their opinions. I do find it funny that you admit some people do go right to attacking them. Whether they see Eagles fans as wrong, I don't know. I do believe that, like me, its the incredible lack of objectivity by Philly fans that gets annoying.
I understand what you guys mean by that, but honestly when have I ever acted like that? Of course I have some bias towards the team, everybody does, but I really don't see me having the Eagles fan ignorance. Anyway, electronic timed is much more accurate, of course that's obvious. But the electronic time was a 4.4 and the hand-timed was 4.37. 3 hundreths of a second isn't much, and a 4.4 electronic timed is still damn good for a man his size. He's impressive, and all I'm saying is he could be a great player. The Eagles have alot, and not that many gaps to fill this offseason, so why not use the pick we got in a trade and get this guy? If you want more explanation on why I think he's going to be a good player, read the article. Chris Mortensen makes some good points, and his article basically sold me on Matt Jones http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/colum...hris&id=2025109
He might be great....I will be happy if the Dolphins draft him, but on the 2nd day....you can get some really good players in the 2nd round, especially this year where the talent is pretty equal from the 10th pick to the 45th pick....Im in no way trying to bash Jones, but please understand hes a risk, I know all players are a risk, but hes even riskier than most if you pick him on the 1st day....the risk in this case outweighs the possible rewards unless you are talking about a pick later than you are talkign about....if the Eagles take him with the comp pick they got or even late in the 3rd round, I think it will be a good chance to take....
