And how did Odom do that game against Seattle Real Deal??? I didn't see you mentioning him in your post. 8 points? Could it really be Odom's fault? Ray Allen, 26 points, Rashard Lewis 34 points. Allen, getting his top teammate involved. Thus proving the point Ray Allen made, how he is more unselfish than Kobe when it counts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about in those first couple paragraphs? For one, 17 shots is not a whole heck of a lot. If you want to talk about a person who jacks up shots like there is no end, than lets talk about AI. And just a thought, you don't get 7 apg by being a ballhog. I'm not sure if you realize this, but he is getting others involved. He may be averaging 20 shots per game, but he's getting people involve. That's why the Lakers are getting 4-5 people hitting double figures each night on a consistent basis. Also, when your entire starting 5 is getting double figures, that's another way you can tell you have ball distribution. So to say Kobe doesn't get others involved is total, utter crap. Maybe if he was getting 30+ ppg, than we could say he's not involving others, but he's not. He may be getting his 28 or so per game, but that doesn't mean anything. He is keeping players involved. If he wasn't, he'd be rattling off a lot more ppg than what he is right now.</div> Lmao... It was sarcasm, I know dude. Why do you think I put a rolling my eyes Smilie there? (Sarcasm as in I was being sarcastic. As in I know, of course he isn't a ballhog.) As you can see, Kobe is listed as my favorite player. Noone was able to accept Real Deal's invitation and call Kobe selfish. Kinda ironic eh? But when we lose then all the Kobe-haters come. <font size="1"><font color="Red">Content edited. Watch the language. -Brandon</font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">And how did Odom do that game against Seattle Real Deal??? I didn't see you mentioning him in your post. 8 points? Could it really be Odom's fault? Ray Allen, 26 points, Rashard Lewis 34 points. Allen, getting his top teammate involved. Thus proving the point Ray Allen made, how he is more unselfish than Kobe when it counts.</div> Kobe outperformed Ray in every aspect of that game...so I don't understand how it proves anything. And that includes getting people involved. Hey, I have a question for you. Do you play basketball? Not streetball...real ball. When I was in high school, I had a teammate who was incredibly fast, great defender, everything...but he couldn't shoot at all. Every coach knew it, so they left him open, and he still didn't hit anything...and I trusted him that he would get better, but he didn't. For that, I had my lowest assist total that season, and I looked like I was ignorant for passing it to him alot more than everyone else. Funny...that's what everyone expects Kobe to do. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cody 7k:</div><div class="quote_post">Lmao... It was sarcasm, I know dude. Why do you think I put a rolling my eyes Smilie there? (Sarcasm as in I was being sarcastic. As in I know, of course he isn't a ballhog.) As you can see, Kobe is listed as my favorite player. Noone was able to accept Real Deal's invitation and call Kobe selfish. Kinda ironic eh? But when we lose then all the Kobe-haters come.</div> Haha, don't worry. I wasn't expecting anyone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cody 7k:</div><div class="quote_post">Lmao... It was sarcasm, I know dude. Why do you think I put a rolling my eyes Smilie there? (Sarcasm as in I was being sarcastic. As in I know, of course he isn't a ballhog.) As you can see, Kobe is listed as my favorite player. Noone was able to accept Real Deal's invitation and call Kobe selfish. Kinda ironic eh? But when we lose then all the Kobe-haters come. <font size="1"><font color="Red">Content edited. Watch the language. -Brandon</font></font></div> Haha, don't worry. I wasn't expecting anyone.
Yeah, I do play real ball. And I'm ona team where I'm a top player and the other teammate aren't too great, but I set them up so good they can get easy baksets... but at th esame time average 20ppg.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I do play real ball. And I'm ona team where I'm a top player and the other teammate aren't too great, but I set them up so good they can get easy baksets... but at th esame time average 20ppg.</div> 20 PPG in high school isn't so bad at all. Now, set up your players like you claim...but average 12 PPG. Would people question you? Everyone expects Lamar to average near 20 PPG...and Butler at around 15 or so...but expects Kobe's average to drop since he should be taking less shots. It's ironic...that his shot attempts have actually decreased...where he took around 21 in the last four seasons and now he's at an average of 20. Not by much...but with what everyone was saying, he would be scoring about 35 PPG and 30 shots a game. I love it when people are wrong. Kobe passes too much, and he gets questioned for being a prick and trying to prove a point. Kobe scores too much, and he's selfish. Kobe loses games, and everyone blames him. Kobe wins games, and guys like you still blame him for...something...I don't even know. The ONLY way Kobe will ever get respect is when he wins a ring by himself...which won't happen, because 1) nobody has ever done it by themselves, and 2) Odom will share or take more of the responsibility for winning...yet Kobe takes more of the responsibility for losing. What a joke.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Everyone expects Lamar to average near 20 PPG...and Butler at around 15 or so...but expects Kobe's average to drop since he should be taking less shots. It's ironic...that his shot attempts have actually decreased...where he took around 21 in the last four seasons and now he's at an average of 20. Not by much...but with what everyone was saying, he would be scoring about 35 PPG and 30 shots a game. I love it when people are wrong.</div> Actually his attempts haven't really decreased, he's just getting to the line more than he used to, if you compare from his 30 PPG season to now he's only taking about 1.7 shots less per game. I didn't expect his shots to decrease though, some were thinking Wade's shots would decrease in Miami because of Shaq, but because Shaq is a high percentage scorer, he doesn't need nearly as many shots to score. Shaq was taking less shots than Odom and Butler were, and Butler was on a down year. RealDeal, welcome to the world of having a one star team, that's how it is, no one blames role or secondary players for what happens unless it's a blatant thing, the star takes the blame whether anyone likes it or not. Odom shouldn't be taking too much blame for losses though, he's been good on the boards and he's trying defensively, but he isn't being put into and/or he's not accepting [which would be the blame] the role as a higher priority scorer on the team. Also that was a bad example with the teammate who can't shoot lol, the other Lakers players aren't scoring inept, I know what you mean though I had a teammate like that, except he always wanted to shoot, sad sad stuff it was, very sad. Anyways I gotta give Kobe props for how he played yesterday, Kobe was taking GOOD SHOTS, he didn't get a triple double or hit a game winner or something like that, but he played the proper way. I'm not talking about good shots as in shots you say No! No! and when they go in you say yes! If he can play like that all the time it'll be good, but obviously you can't always hit your shots, other players won't always hit their shots [even though some people expect them to], and things don't always flow like you'd expect, but when you take good shots their won't be too many complaints. Odom should be getting about this amount of shots per game, maybe a little less, but it was the Kings, and the Kings aren't a team known for their defense. Their best perimeter defender in Christie is on off-ball defender, not a one on one shutdown defender and if you play right they'll let you score, so I don't know if Odom, Kobe and the team can have the same output on a consistent basis in terms of how the ball is moved and distributed. Anyways, you guys are racking up the wins against top teams, the Magic, now the Kings...who's next the Raptors led by Pape Sow [18-4 record] or the Hornets led by Dan Dickau [1-0 when Dickau takes 13 shots in a game].
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm inviting anyone to come in here and tell me that Kobe is selfish or that he has no leadership. </div>Honestly, do people say that? That was the knock on Jordan when he was playing, too. Yeah, I've seen games where Kobe has been a ballhog, but in general he is not one. I don't know why people have to trash Kobe just because they don't like him. I HATE Kobe, but I don't feel the need to antagonize Laker fans about it. I have just as much of a right to hate him as you guys have to love him. Nothing I say is going to make you guys hate him, and nothing you say is going to make me like him. It's pointless to go back and forth like you guys do. If a troll comes in here and talks trash about Kobe, you guys don't have to get all huffy puffy about it, just ignore them if you want them to stop. You guys add flames to the fire by responding to that nonsense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, do people say that? That was the knock on Jordan when he was playing, too. Yeah, I've seen games where Kobe has been a ballhog, but in general he is not one. I don't know why people have to trash Kobe just because they don't like him. I HATE Kobe, but I don't feel the need to antagonize Laker fans about it. I have just as much of a right to hate him as you guys have to love him. Nothing I say is going to make you guys hate him, and nothing you say is going to make me like him. It's pointless to go back and forth like you guys do. If a troll comes in here and talks trash about Kobe, you guys don't have to get all huffy puffy about it, just ignore them if you want them to stop. You guys add flames to the fire by responding to that nonsense.</div> Well, I don't see the Laker forum having to be completely positive, either. I mean, I welcome anyone in here...I just don't care much for the personal attacks or just adding a sentence to a thread that completely burns our star player without explaining why. In your case, I respect the post above. You told us you don't like Kobe Bryant, which is fine...I think we all know that there's going to be alot of people who don't. However, you didn't try and discredit him for everything he's done and personally attack Laker fans (individually or in general)...so to me, I'm fine with that. And by the way...your sig is hilarious...and the quote you stole from me is even funnier.
