Washington @ L.A. -- 12/17

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  1. jbbReal Deal

    jbbReal Deal Active Member

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    I'm not basing my anger with Chucky just on one play. The man is a PG...yet he can't get anyone a shot. He can't penetrate, he can't defend...he's almost similar to what Devean George was last season: a three point shooter, just waiting for the shot. However, he's shorter and hits them more often than George.

    He's a defensive liability. All I heard while I was listening to the live feed was Kobe stepping up to help defend Arenas, but by then...it was too late, and Hughes got free. Kobe cannot continue to cover Atkins' man every single time.

    And, I don't want Kobe to score more. I want everyone else to...but more importantly, I want everyone to play defense and to stay out of foul trouble.
     
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    My question is, why was Chris Mihm sitting when Arenas was just driving into the lane when obviously no one down low was picking him up, HE has a wide open lane at lest 3-4 times which made easy lay up uncontested, why didn't Rudy put Mihm in there, let him give Arenas to run into and work for the free throws?

    Also I was so dissapointed in Atkins with peeler, we should have when Peeler checked in stuck Jones in the game to cover him, moved Butler to the 2 spot and Kobe to the 1. That would have been ten times better for the Lakers, ALSO I mean I could tell from the minute Peeler stepped on the court he was taking the last shot for the Lakers. I mean ridiculous, he was warming his hands, rubbing his feet, I mean if he was just coming in to pass the ball why would he do that, not like he is going to play a extensive overtime.

    Ridiculous, Laker's should have won that game with when they had the ball with the last possesion in the 4th quarter. Kobe should have sealed the game by driving to the hoop and just dunking the ball or driving and do a pull up baby jumper end of game.

    Those are the things they need to figure out, how to finish the games in the 4th and the rotations and such.

    Good game, a few plays and coaching decisions dissapointed me, Chucky shot the ball well just how he read that play was in my honest opinion horrible.

    ACTIVATE BOBBIT
     
  3. WadeDynasty

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    Ouch
    Tough loss for real. That play by Lakers letting Peeler hit that shot was BS.
    Play some D! and I mean "some". Whoever let him shoot that played no D.
     
  4. notmuchgame

    notmuchgame JBB JustBBall Member

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    I missed the game ... just looking at the final score, it must have been an exciting game...too bad we were on the wrong end of the score...

    As Mychael Thompson said after the game (when i finally tuned it), "5-1 on this home stand won't be bad" ...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Ouch
    Tough loss for real. That play by Lakers letting Peeler hit that shot was BS.
    Play some D! and I mean "some". Whoever let him shoot that played no D.</div>
    Tell Atkins to stop looking at the girls in the stands.....
     
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    theclown1 JBB JustBBall Member

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    This should be a sign to the Lakers organisation. Atkins isnt good enough to play starting PG. We need a good PG and fast.
     
  7. Zane

    Zane JBB JustBBall Member

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    i think a big mistake was at the end of the fourth when there was around 30 sec left and it was tied. I think kobe should of just shot a jumper, or drive to the basket and lay it up or get fouled, but instead he passed it to butler for the three whos been cold lately and obviously missed
     
  8. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">My question is, why was Chris Mihm sitting when Arenas was just driving into the lane when obviously no one down low was picking him up, HE has a wide open lane at lest 3-4 times which made easy lay up uncontested, why didn't Rudy put Mihm in there, let him give Arenas to run into and work for the free throws?</div>
    Mihm was in foul trouble all night, and Arenas was just owning the paint when he got inside, Mihm would of just picked up more fouls.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also I was so dissapointed in Atkins with peeler, we should have when Peeler checked in stuck Jones in the game to cover him, moved Butler to the 2 spot and Kobe to the 1. That would have been ten times better for the Lakers, ALSO I mean I could tell from the minute Peeler stepped on the court he was taking the last shot for the Lakers. I mean ridiculous, he was warming his hands, rubbing his feet, I mean if he was just coming in to pass the ball why would he do that, not like he is going to play a extensive overtime.</div>

    I agree, that would of been a much better situation. And yes, Peeler was rubbing his hands stomping his feet, he didnt move at all, he stood in the same place just waiting for Hughes to kick out.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ridiculous, Laker's should have won that game with when they had the ball with the last possesion in the 4th quarter. Kobe should have sealed the game by driving to the hoop and just dunking the ball or driving and do a pull up baby jumper end of game.</div>
    This isnt a knock because I like Kobe, but knowing him he would of tried to look like he was fouled and the refs werent calling anything down in crunch time, they were letting the players play..and plus the Wizards had two 7 footers in there, I dont think Kobe would of gotten an easy basket.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Those are the things they need to figure out, how to finish the games in the 4th and the rotations and such.</div>
    I agree
     
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    Chucky Atkins had a great offensive game, but every time he scored, he gave it right back on defense. Arenas blew by him at will, and Chucky looked cemented to the court. Chucky and the rest of the Lakers didn't give any effort at all on defense. The Peeler three just capped off a pathetic defensive effort by Atkins in the game. Butler was guarding Hughes and had him defended past the three point line and was still in front of Hughes. Even if Hughes was able to penetrate he would have to take a tough shot over a taller player and making a two point basket would have given the Lakers a chance to still tie the game. Instead, Chucky decides to leave his zone and help out Butler leaving Peeler wide open. Peeler was in the game for one reason, to make a three point shot! It was an idiotic decision by Chucky and it cost the Lakers the game. Give all the credit to Peeler for making that shot, but he's been making these against the Lakers for the past few seasons with the Kings and TWolves. The other play he bailed out on was the jam by Jeffries, instead of hacking him, taking a charge or at least trying to defend the shot, he ran from him and allowed Jeffries to throw down a clean dunk.

    My other qualm about this game was the soft play inside by the Lakers. Someone needed to step up and level Hughes and Arenas on their layup attempts. Make these guards pay a physical price for taking it inside. Basketball is all about rhythm and knocking someone on their butt does wonders to disrupt that. Hopefully Brian Grant can fill this void and stay healthy.

    I would have liked to see Kobe, Butler, and Jones down th stretch of the game on defense and Chucky on the bench. Kobe could have defended Arenas, Butler on Hughes, and Jones to defend Jamison. All three are more athletic and much better defenders than Atkins.

    This loss took away all the momentum from the Kings game, which makes it frustrating and calls for blood. Hopefully the Vince Carter deal causes a domino effect and Mitch pulls the trigger to make the Lakers better.
     
  10. 30 standing ver

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    ? Has the Lakers won yet with Kobe getting a triple double? And his freethrow shooting is kinda weird this year. Tuff loss. [​IMG]
     
  11. jbbReal Deal

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">? Has the Lakers won yet with Kobe getting a triple double? And his freethrow shooting is kinda weird this year. Tuff loss. [​IMG]</div>
    I think the Lakers are 1-3 when Kobe gets a triple-double, which doesn't make sense at all.
     
  12. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That makes no sense at all, maybe he might have to stop sharing the ball then...
     
  13. notmuchgame

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    Well, they're 4-4 when he records 10 or more assists, and the lakers are more or less a .500 team overall so there is no big change either way.

    I think he should just keep doin what he's been doin and keep his teammates involved ... hopefully, everyone will turn the corner by all-star break (preferably by christmas [​IMG] )
     
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    Kobe right now is in the mold of classic 80's Jordan, he has the ball a lot, and he's either shooting or passing, maybe it would be better for him to put up lesser stats, and have even more trust and confidence in his teammates.

    Now their's the people that will say "Oh but they don't make shots blah blah", that would count if the team was full of 4 Michael Curry's, but these are capable players who can score, and confidence will help them as opposed to being blind confidence like passing to Milt Palacio for a three.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Arenas blew by him at will, and Chucky looked cemented to the court</div>
    That has nothing to do with Chucky's defense [​IMG], seriously...

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The other play he bailed out on was the jam by Jeffries, instead of hacking him, taking a charge or at least trying to defend the shot, he ran from him and allowed Jeffries to throw down a clean dunk. </div>
    These plays always scare me cause you get those times where the player tries to stop the basket with the foul, but give the offensive player an AND 1 and looks like even more of a fool.
     

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