I didn't say Bosh did I? God damn.. I'll shut up if they lose some games in a row but let them do their thing. Like DerfZ said, we'll still have Mo-Pete, Lamond Murray and Matt Bonner. Bonner's like a young version of Donyell Marshall and he too has the ability to stretch the defence because his shooting percentage is third in the league. (He only trails Shaq and Amare who gets most of their points off layups or dunks) Oh and because you mentioned Bosh coughing up the ball, what about Jalen Rose pump-faking like gazillion freaking times and shooting an awkward three in the dying seconds when he had Rafer Alston wide open in the corner not even 10 ft. away from him? This guy needs to go, and if he goes to Miami let him be Miami's headache. At least he won't be our problem anymore. And what about the turnover numbers? For god's sakes Rose turns over the ball more than ERIC FREAKIN' WILLIAMS. And don't come up with some BS like Eric Williams gets fewer assists and therefore fewer turnovers because Williams and Rose both average about 2 APG and while Williams turn it over 1.62 times per game Rose turns it over 2.04 times a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DerfZ:</div><div class="quote_post">lol more like 3 but once all of our players develope watch out... these are our young players: C-Woods/Rafeal Araujo PF-Chris Bosh/Udanous Haslem*/Matt Bonner/Pape Sow SF-MoPete/draft pick SG-draft pick PG-Rafer Alston/draft pick i'd say we might have a pretty decent team</div> Developmental players? Ok, I can see Bosh being a standout, Bonner being a great role player like Scalabrine, but Araujo? This guy I think will be a pine rider for a very long time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't say Bosh did I? God damn.. I'll shut up if they lose some games in a row but let them do their thing. Like DerfZ said, we'll still have Mo-Pete, Lamond Murray and Matt Bonner. Bonner's like a young version of Donyell Marshall and he too has the ability to stretch the defence because his shooting percentage is third in the league. (He only trails Shaq and Amare who gets most of their points off layups or dunks)</div> I didn't say that you mentioned Bosh. I was just listing the best scoring options that would be our team after the trade. Bosh would be it, but he's a horrible number 1 option. Mo Pete has been in the league for 4+ years, he's been a starter for about 80% of his games. I think most of us know by now what Mo will give us when he starts, or not know, when you think about it. You know he's going to be inconsistent, what you don't know is what night he'll light it up on. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh and because you mentioned Bosh coughing up the ball, what about Jalen Rose pump-faking like gazillion freaking times and shooting an awkward three in the dying seconds when he had Rafer Alston wide open in the corner not even 10 ft. away from him? </div> Um, I didn't mention Jalen Rose for a reason. He won't be on our team after the trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">For god's sakes Rose turns over the ball more than ERIC FREAKIN' WILLIAMS.</div> That's because Eric Williams doesn't control the ball as much as Jalen Rose does. Rose does make stupid turnovers, but 2 TOPG isn't that much. The problem with Rose is decision making and his no-defense play. I'm just stating you guys should be so optimistic when or if we do this trade with the Heat. We won't be a Pistons type team (A team without a superstar that can win) because we don't know how to play defense except for a few individuals, and all of there top 3 scoring options are better than our number 1 scoring option (Bosh/Jones, whoever).
I wasn't being optimistic. I'm just not giving up on the season yet. There is a difference you know... All I'm saying is we shouldn't give up on the Raps just yet because we haven't seen them play a single game after the trade. It won't be too late to give up on the season after watching them play. Com'on I thought we could've got something better for Vince too, but what we got is what we got and it can't be changed so we might as well look on the bright side of the deal. Regarding the Rose/Eric Williams TO ratios, I mentioned they had same assist per game numbers and if they have the same assist per game numbers, Eric Williams comes out on top even if he doesn't control the ball as much as Rose.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I wasn't being optimistic. I'm just not giving up on the season yet. There is a difference you know...</div> What's with the personal shots? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All I'm saying is we shouldn't give up on the Raps just yet because we haven't seen them play a single game after the trade. It won't be too late to give up on the season after watching them play. Com'on I thought we could've got something better for Vince too, but what we got is what we got and it can't be changed so we might as well look on the bright side of the deal.. </div> I'm not giving up on the season, I'm just not expecting big things. The Raptors will give their best effort, but they'll suck still. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Regarding the Rose/Eric Williams TO ratios, I mentioned they had same assist per game numbers and if they have the same assist per game numbers, Eric Williams comes out on top even if he doesn't control the ball as much as Rose.</div> What was the point of that statement? If Williams controled the Ball as often as Rose did, he would have about the same amount as TO's as him. Jalen Rose makes stupid turnovers yes, but 2 TOPG is not all bad for a wingman who controls the ball as much as him.
1. Don't mind the personal remarks. I guess I got overly emotional about it so I'm sorry. 2. Okay, good that you are not giving up on the season yet, that makes everything seem reasonable. 3. If they had same APG but Rose gave up more TO, then on paper it translates to Eric Williams being a better decision maker. 2 TPG isn't bad, but it's bad when he's handling the ball that much and he's only getting 2 APG.
I am no way surprised, the whole trade itself(the NJ-TO) looked like it was a trade to set up another chain of trades(or atleast IMO). I mean, we coulda got alot more for Carter, and I think Babcock knows that. I pray that some more trades go down soon.
This trade isn't all that bad, but i wouldn't accept it unless Dorell Wright is in the trade. Read about this kid, and he could be something special..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DerfZ:</div><div class="quote_post">are you serious?^</div> Well when you trade a player you're not supposed to be able to trade them for 2 months, but 24 or 48 hours [not sure] after the first trade you can make a second trade, kinda like what the Hawks did with Rasheed Wallace. Also if we do wait 2 months, it will be passed the trade deadline or really close to it, so we might not be able to trade him anymore, so unless something is going to happen very soon, it isn't going to happen. We might have to buy him out or we'll have a lot of whining. EDIT: Forgot trade deadline was 24th, we have to deal him soon or just deal with the whining till post Feb 18th.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Well when you trade a player you're not supposed to be able to trade them for 2 months, but 24 or 48 hours [not sure] after the first trade you can make a second trade, kinda like what the Hawks did with Rasheed Wallace. Also if we do wait 2 months, it will be passed the trade deadline or really close to it, so we might not be able to trade him anymore, so unless something is going to happen very soon, it isn't going to happen. We might have to buy him out or we'll have a lot of whining. EDIT: Forgot trade deadline was 24th, we have to deal him soon or just deal with the whining till post Feb 18th.</div> From what I understand you can't trade him in a package deal after 48 hours of trading for him BUT you can trade him anytime you like in a deal without other players being involved. So really you wouldn't need to wait 2 months to get rid of him.
The Heat won't trade for Zo it's too risky. I'm pretty sure Zo is gonna try and get a buyout and the Heat will sign him to a Vet's minimum contract for 1 year. Zo was only traded to match the salaries, both parties acknowledged that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">From what I understand you can't trade him in a package deal after 48 hours of trading for him BUT you can trade him anytime you like in a deal without other players being involved. So really you wouldn't need to wait 2 months to get rid of him.</div> Like someone else said I don't think their's much we can get for ZO alone, it would be a waste, I'd rather just make him suffer on our IL than trade him for garbage
this trade isnt gonna go thru i think if anything goes thru i think that it will be with Golden State becuase they have a huge and usless contract with foyle...and they might trade him to us along with richardson for those 3 and a pick or something.
I agree with Miami's Finest, there is no way Miami will get Alonzo Mourning in any kind of deal. He played only twelve games with the Nets last year, and 75 the year before with the Heat, but he did announce his retirement before coming back - he might have further kidney problems and then just retire again, leaving Miami with nothing.
