Dorrell Wright is player with great potentiol, but how's Malik Allen? Does he have double double potentiol?
Alright... I highly doubt this trade is gonna go down anymore. We're riding on an 8 game winstreak. Winning with an average of 10 ppg... we're hiting our shots and gelling alot better. Now, EJ during our winstreak is really stepping up and playing like he's supposed to, which is great... why ruin such a beautiful thing we have. Today's game EJ with 25 freakin' points. Jalen Rose is a cancer I dont want him at all, I watch Raptors games all the time and he hurts them more than he does good. I don't wanna give up Wright or Haslem, both have potential to be great players to build around.... Go Heat go.
Agreed with Mr. Wade Why would we want Jalen Rose when EJ is coming around? His trade value is a lot higher now that he's playing better. Everyone thought EJ for Carter was a joke and they ended up with Aaron Williams and Eric Williams. The joke's on them! (sorry just had to say it ) But yeah were winning and EJ is coming around so there's no need to do a trade. We do a trade when our weaknesses start becoming a liability and become more obvious. But I can see EJ being traded if we could get a real good starting SF in return. Unless EJ can show that he can hang with the likes of Antawn Jamison Grant Hill and other good SFs.
*Drool...* The thought of Antawn Jamison on our team ATM is just orgasmic lol... honestly that dude on our team would make us easy Finals Favourites.... ahhh I love that cat.
Mourning I'll take, waive Wang ZhiZhi Forget J.Rose and Marshall, EJ may have been in a slump but he got out of it against the magic scoring 25 and he's a great defender, something Rose lacks...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">*Drool...* The thought of Antawn Jamison on our team ATM is just orgasmic lol... honestly that dude on our team would make us easy Finals Favourites.... ahhh I love that cat.</div> Yikes, that's something I don't even want to think about. You guys would roll over everyone by like 30 points a night.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Among the reasons why the Heat hasn't jumped at a deal involving Eddie Jones and Toronto's Jalen Rose: Asked who the team's best defender has been this season, coach Stan Van Gundy immediately responded, ''Eddie, without question.'' The Raptors are desperate to move Rose, who's perceived as less of a ''team guy'' than Jones.</div> That from the Miami Herald. Although I'm sure it's speculation but now that EJ is coming around that snippet becomes more valid that we don't need to make a trade (yet). EJ is finally fitting the role of the final piece to the Heat's 3 man show
4 man show now, considering Haslem is playing really good... instead we shoud just call it a team show... since our whoel team is stepping up. DJ doign a great job at the point, and Dooling and laettner brings huge sparks off the bnech..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Miami's Finest:</div><div class="quote_post"> Everyone thought EJ for Carter was a joke and they ended up with Aaron Williams and Eric Williams. The joke's on them! (sorry just had to say it ) </div> but.....i dont get your point? Sounds like your saying EJ is way good, good enough to be a fair trade for Vince Carter. Eric Williams is better than Eddie Jones And Aaron Williams is just cap space in the near future, and a small contract And Zo is trade bait And what about the 2 first rounders. Do you think Eddie Jones could get Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Zo and 2 first rounders? Do you think he could get even a single first rounder? As a raptors fan i would never do the deal unless Wright was included, and preferably a first rounder as well. Marshall is better overall then Haslem and fits the Heats needs better than Haslem fits ours. Rose is better than EJ and fits the Heats needs better than EJ fits ours. Zo is injured, but with his leadership and a VERY solid 15-20 minutes per game, he could be invaluable to the Heat especially come playoff time, and vs. the PF's. He could gaurd Sheed a ton better than Haslem could. Malik Allen has the potential to be a 7th man, but thats about it. I cant see why you Heat fans wouldnt be all over it. Not if you looked at the big picture, and past your winning streak. Come playoff time and the crushing defence begins, do you think Haslem and EJ and Allen will be better than Rose(great scorer) Marshall (17-10 last season) and Zo (Heat fans know how great a leader Zo is)????? BTW - Rose is a bit of a ball hog, but when on a good team he's much more unselfish and better all around. And anyways, Shaq would keep him in line. On a team like the Heat i think Rose would accept his role has 3rd option. In Toronto alot of times he's been tied for first option with a struggling Carter and its made him over do things, just trying to do to much.
Yea what we got is still 10 times better than getting EJ, Eric Williams isn't as good a shooter, but a good post up player, and a tougher defender, both good defenders though. Aaron Williams for the contract, and ZO is trade bait, and we got 2 first round picks, so that definately destroys getting EJ lol.
Please don't say Jalen Rose is better than Eddie Jones... tha'ts just a joke. Have you seen his calibur of shot selection. I'm sure a 2 year old could pick betters hots. He takes fadeways with 2 hands in his face when he should and could pass the ball.... he forces up wayyy too many shots... which is why his fg% is so measly. Once in awhile he'll make the shots, but rarely. Every few games he gets hot, he's too inconsistent. EJ, on the other hand is now more aggressive and is shooting alot better. He's been consistent over our 9 game winstreak... including a 25 point outburst vs Orlando... then getting like 17, 16, 18... etc...
Rose is a better all-round player in terms of having more dimensions to his game, a better passer, and post up player, but EJ is a better defender and outside shooter, and they're about the same in their offensive efficiency.
Eddie Jones Miami Heat Position: G Height: 6-6 Weight: 200 College: Temple '94 Player file | Team stats 2004-05 Statistics PPG 11.1 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 SPG 1.15 BPG .59 FG% .386 FT% .786 3P% .328 MPG 33.5 Jalen Rose Toronto Raptors Position: F-G Height: 6-8 Weight: 215 College: Michigan '95 Player file | Team stats 2004-05 Statistics PPG 14.8 RPG 3.3 APG 2.2 SPG .77 BPG .04 FG% .420 FT% .902 3P% .325 MPG 31.0 its generally agreed that Rose is not having a spectacular season, and neither is Jones. But with these stats its pretty obvious to see that Rose is better than EJ offensively. he's putting up more pts/game in less minutes with an identical 3ball % and a much better fg%. Not to mention he's a deadly free throw shooter. I dont know what you mean he rarely makes them...he's got a better fg% than Kobe. Agreed they are often ill advised, but his % is horrible. Much better than EJ Jones is putting up slightly better numbers in rebounds, assists and steals but is also getting an extra 3min per game. Jones is a better defender but his game is generally limited to outside shots and missing a vast majority of them. He's also a true SF while EJ is not, he's got the size to gaurd the SF's in the East like Jamison...that is if he decides to play defense. i dont withdraw my statement. I think he is the all around better player.
Yea, EJ's stats are low right now, but that's because at the start of the season he was playing horrible. Now he's back into his rhythm. He's averaging 18ppg over last 5 games and is playing more aggressively with more intensity and actually making most of his shots. The EJ of last year is back, and he's ready to roll...
Even if he's the Eddie from last year..... EJ's stats for FG% were still worse than Rose's this year. And his stats for rebounds, steals and assists were on par with this year. So statistically Rose is a better offensive player and meets the heats offensive needs better than EJ does, even when looking at last years stats
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Even if he's the Eddie from last year..... EJ's stats for FG% were still worse than Rose's this year. And his stats for rebounds, steals and assists were on par with this year. So statistically Rose is a better offensive player and meets the heats offensive needs better than EJ does, even when looking at last years stats</div> Well EJ is the best defender of the team. But I do think we could use 3rd option in the offense. I don't know if EJ can do that. I'm a fan of Jalen Rose too but I don't think Miami is right place for him to play. I'm afraid Jalen Rose is gonna hog the ball when it belongs to Wade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post"> its generally agreed that Rose is not having a spectacular season, and neither is Jones. But with these stats its pretty obvious to see that Rose is better than EJ offensively. he's putting up more pts/game in less minutes with an identical 3ball % and a much better fg%. Not to mention he's a deadly free throw shooter. I dont know what you mean he rarely makes them...he's got a better fg% than Kobe. Agreed they are often ill advised, but his % is horrible. Much better than EJ Jones is putting up slightly better numbers in rebounds, assists and steals but is also getting an extra 3min per game. Jones is a better defender but his game is generally limited to outside shots and missing a vast majority of them. He's also a true SF while EJ is not, he's got the size to gaurd the SF's in the East like Jamison...that is if he decides to play defense. i dont withdraw my statement. I think he is the all around better player.</div> Well when you have two guys on your team named Shaq and Dwyane Wade your offensive game doesn't need to be so good. Just one of these guys are better than any two players on the Raptors roster right now. Now that Vince isn't there I don't think any combination is worth it. The best is Chris Bosh and Skip, and I would not trade those two for Shaq and WAde. The Heat have 2 all-stars The RAptors have 0 all-stars. Eddie Jones and Jalen Rose are not stars in any way and Eddie has two guys to score the points. The funny thing is Jalen Rose is the leading scorer on the Raptors and he is onyl averaging 14.8 PPG. PErsonally I think it's sad while the Heat have 2 20+ players. Also Eddies FG% may suck, but when you have Shaq down low in the post, it's not as bad as when you have Loren Woods down in the post. Eddie Jones defense also OWNS Jalen Rose defense in all ways possible. You ever hear defense wins championships? Ya well it's partly true and Jalen Rose defense SUCKS.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well when you have two guys on your team named Shaq and Dwyane Wade your offensive game doesn't need to be so good. Just one of these guys are better than any two players on the Raptors roster right now. Now that Vince isn't there I don't think any combination is worth it. The best is Chris Bosh and Skip, and I would not trade those two for Shaq and WAde. The Heat have 2 all-stars The RAptors have 0 all-stars. Eddie Jones and Jalen Rose are not stars in any way and Eddie has two guys to score the points. The funny thing is Jalen Rose is the leading scorer on the Raptors and he is onyl averaging 14.8 PPG. PErsonally I think it's sad while the Heat have 2 20+ players. Also Eddies FG% may suck, but when you have Shaq down low in the post, it's not as bad as when you have Loren Woods down in the post. Eddie Jones defense also OWNS Jalen Rose defense in all ways possible. You ever hear defense wins championships? Ya well it's partly true and Jalen Rose defense SUCKS.</div> i'm afraid i dont think your arguments carry much weight. Does it matter how many stars the heat have and how many the raps have? Are we talking about swapping best players? No. And how do you come the the conclusion that Eddie's low fg % is better than Rose's high fg% because eddie's got shaq? If anything eddie's numbers should be up, playing with much more freedom than he'd normally have. Bottom line is, even though Eddie is a better defender Rose beats him in everyother catagory. Rose can handle to ball if need be, he's a better slasher and finisher, he's a better rebounder. he's shooting better, even compared to Eddie last year. So with all that, and considering Eddie is playing out of position and Rose wouldnt be, i think it would be a wise trade for the Heat. Even with Wade and Shaq wouldnt it be nice to have a legit 3rd option? Injuries can strike at anytime and no matter how good you guys are playing all it takes is 4 playoff games missed by either one due to injury to cost them a ring. Its true that Rose isnt a great defender, he's not horrible on the peremiter in my opinion but he gets beat alot of the dribble. The thing is though that with Shaq down there, he can absorb some of that defensive liability. the only real problem i see is Rose's attitude. But with Rose he's always been on teams where he was the dominant personality...he just ran the team by virtue of loudness and how often he talks. But there's no way that with Shaq on the team Rose would do that. I think it would be the first time in his career that he's accepted the role that others wanted him to take. I think he'd put the Heat over the top and make them a top 2 team in the league.
Alright, it's official Eddie is back to his old days... no not last year, but before that. He's taking over for the Heat after Wade and Shaq. 21 points agaisnt Sacramento yesterday.... meaning over the last 10 or so games he's been averaging about 17 ppg while shooting a high %... this guy is SO much better than Rose. The shots that Rose takes are utterly horrible, his attitude is the worst in the league, he has no defense at all... he's very streaky he's a ballhog. I don't think he would pass to Shaq or Wade if he came to the Heat, he'd want to be the main show and then screw our whole team up. Eddie is now slashing alot more and shooting alot bettter. I take him over Rose anyday of the week. Plus with Rose's bad defense Shaq would have to keep moving over for help defense which creates an open man down low, which would happen alot since it happens to the Raptors a lot. Rose... just retire. He is nothing right now.... at this point he can't even touch EJ.
