<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Three members of the Seattle SuperSonics say they believe Carter intentionally tipped off a play during the final minute of the Raptors? 101-94 loss to the Sonics in Toronto. With 29 seconds remaining in that game and the Sonics leading 97-90, the Raptors called a timeout. After returning to the court, Carter lined up along the edge of the key. He was facing the Sonics? bench with his hands on his knees. According to a member of the Sonics, before the play began, Carter said directly to the Seattle bench, ?It?s a flare. It?s a flare.? Two other members of the Sonics confirmed that Carter told the Sonics bench that the Raptors were running the flare play. The Raptors, inbounding the ball above the Sonics bench, then ran a flare play for Carter.</div> Full Article Read the whole article. IF it's true, wow!
Well, here's the media once again, digging up more dirt on another NBA personality. If it's true, Carter is worthless...but oh well. He wanted to be traded, so he found a way to keep losing games and making himself look like a bust this year...and it worked. Everyone will forget about this incident in a few days.
i heard it on the fan too i hope he didnt do this just so he could get traded... this makes me question all the times he missed in the final seconds.. this is disgusting...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Asked why Carter would reveal the play, the Sonics member said, ?We were all under the impression that he was sabotaging his team because he was getting booed by the fans and he wanted to get traded.?</div> i totally agree with the sonic^
Think of it this way...the games you guys won after going 4-1 were the following: San Antonio (Carter 4 points, 0-1 shooting, 24 minutes) Knicks (Carter 22 points, but 27 minutes) Heat (Carter 5 points, 2-9 shooting, 28 minutes) Wolves (Carter DNP) These games were against pretty good teams, actually (Knicks are division leaders). Carter barely did anything against Duncan and the Spurs...didn't play against Garnett and the Wolves, and sucked against the Heat...three teams, overhyped or not, that are said to be contenders for a ring. In other words, when he played limited minutes or didn't do much, he didn't have a chance to screw up... Carter threw more than just the Seattle game.
what the sonics players were saying had a ring of truth to it, but i'm sure he could have be an outright lie since the ray allen-vince trade rumours were in full flight and the soncic players were possibly trying to keep their team entact. i really don't think any GM would want vince if that was true, but anyways most tv crews have special mic's ( i think they are called boom mic's that can pick up anything like that
Wait, crunch time and Carter got the ball, I mean the Sonics would've never known, they probably thought it was going to Donyell Marshall No matter how much Vince wanted to get traded he wouldn't go out of his way to make the team lose, I mean they could never have thought of it as trash talk and him just trying to be cocky? It's like when your playing and you tell someone you'll hit a shot in their eye and do what you say, uh oh you tipped them off, that's pretty stupid. It's like Pierce or Kobe saying they're getting the ball in crunch time, no really? I mean the opposition would've never guessed. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Knicks (Carter 22 points, but 27 minutes) Heat (Carter 5 points, 2-9 shooting, 28 minutes) Carter threw more than just the Seattle game.</div> Now did you watch any of these games? I know it's not likely since no one really watches us, but we blew out the Knicks, why would he play 40 minutes? Their's 2 sides of basketball, we wouldn't have won the Heat game if Carter didn't play excellent defense on Wade in crunch time and down the stretch, boxscores aren't everything , we know he wasn't giving full effort every game, but he played well defensively in some games, and very well that game, if he's trying to make us lose why not just let Wade score. Please...
Explain those missed layups and easy missed shots by Carter at the end of their close games that they eventually lost?
In a way I agree with og15. To respond to your question Real Deal, you can't even question that he wasw trying to win the game vs New Jersey, no way possible or imaginable he would have engineered that missed lay up, look at the replay. And for the Heat win, he played one of his the best definsive stretches in his career in those 2 minutes, so you do the math. However, what makes me wonder is that the article is coming from Seattle with quotes from people associated with the Sonics. It's not like it's some BS made up by our media, so that makes me think it might be true.
Vince Carter is a joke. In 2000-01, he was a top player. I loved him at UNC, but I lost respect for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Explain those missed layups and easy missed shots by Carter at the end of their close games that they eventually lost?</div> Which ones? The New Jersey one? Carter doesn't get calls when he drive at the end of the game for one thing because he doesn't do it throughout the game. Jefferson slapped the backboard agaisnt the Nets, if that affected it who knows, and how in the world can someone deliberately miss a layup that rolls around the rim, what did he calculate the angle and exact force to put on the ball? He brought out some momentum formulas, and some force formulas and figured if he went at exactly half speed, went to the basket and took off 6 feet away then did if from the left side at an 83 degree angle the ball would roll around the rim and come out? The guy is genious then. Common man....after the Sonics game he was talking to the ref all the way to the locker room saying it was a foul, it'd make more sense for him to just walk away in the sense that oh the Sonics played great defense. I'm just surprised it took so long to come out, I mean if it was our media then yea they were trying to protect his trade value or whatever, but why would the Sonics media say it after so long? If it's true that's horrible, but it's pretty hard to deliberately miss a layup that rolls around the rim...
this could get scandalous, i think the nba should conduct an investigation and penalize him accordingly if the allegations are valid. and if raptor brass knew about this they should have dealt him earlier.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Explain those missed layups and easy missed shots by Carter at the end of their close games that they eventually lost?</div> Go to the thread og made with the GIFS. Then you'll see why.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Common man....after the Sonics game he was talking to the ref all the way to the locker room saying it was a foul, it'd make more sense for him to just walk away in the sense that oh the Sonics played great defense. I'm just surprised it took so long to come out, I mean if it was our media then yea they were trying to protect his trade value or whatever, but why would the Sonics media say it after so long? If it's true that's horrible, but it's pretty hard to deliberately miss a layup that rolls around the rim... </div> Exactly, well said og. How intriguing is it that this story was published a month after the game actually happened? Isn't it interesting that the Sonics players had nothing to say until after Carter got traded? How ironic isn't it, that as soon as Carter got his wish, the writers want to wreck his image furthermore and try to make sure people look down upon him. If it's true then okay, it's a disgusting act, he should be fined and what not, but at this moment, it's not. And I'm not about to believe some benchwarmers from Seattle or some washed up, hungry for money sportswriter that Vince Carter tried to sabotage a Raptors game by telling them the play. Funny how Ray Allen was right next to him when Carter was looking towards the Sonics bench and never heard nothing yet Reggie Evans seemed to have dog-like ears all of a sudden. Whatever. A retarded print by the media, I'd have respect in them and actually believe this story maybe if if they printed it out when the game actually happened but whats the sense of posting it a month later. I won't believe this story until I hear an audio-clip of Carter going "yo, Sonics, we're about to do a flare!" and even then I won't believe it because it could just be an act of gloating. By the way, did you guys ever think that it's actually completely pointless to tell the BENCH? It'd be one thing if he told the players on the floor, but he mouthed the words to the BENCH and yet they failed to stop the play because Bonner did score. What a story.
Well the play ended up as Vince Carter assists to Matt Bonner, so we did score, but I don't see how some people can say he definately was trying to make the Raptors lose. Also like spawn said, what does him telling the bench do? EDIT: Just to add, they said he screamed it's a flare to the Sonics bench right before the ball was inbounded, UH OH! Carter: Hey guy that's not playing I will get the ball... Bench Player: Coach Carter's going to get the ball.. Coach: Really? I mean I would've never known, thanks for the warning [Thinking: Idiot]
Some Raptors Responses <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Members of the Toronto Raptors have scoffed at a report that Vince Carter tipped off the opposition to a play late in a game last month. "I think that's a lie," Raptors guard Jalen Rose said following Toronto's 110-99 win over the New Jersey Nets on Sunday. "To be honest it's just so ironic that a statement like that happens to come out a day after the guy gets traded. "The timing of this is the worst it could be." ----------- "Telling the other team a play, that's ridiculous," said Raptors forward Chris Bosh. "I refuse to believe that, how silly is that? "I don't think any player in the NBA would do that, give the other team any kind of advantage in a game-winning situation. That's not professional at all." --------- Bosh said the report is more a case of people kicking Carter when he's down. "People are kind of gunning for him, it's unfortunate for him," said Bosh. "I think he just needs to stay positive." </div>
If it's true, then I'm glad we got rid of Carter but it's quite obvious that it isn't. I'm surprised Seattle has a similar writer to Toronto's Dave Feschuk.
Wow, I just saw it reported on ESPN, and it did show Carter whisper something to Shard and others, then the Sonics just sort of looked at each other not knowing if he was serious. You would think that Carter was saying something to throw the Sonics off. But who knows, you have to lose respect for him if he really told the Sonics a play for his team to lose; besides they scored anyway. If Vince were a real competitor he wouldn?t have done something like this.
