There's been a few threads made on Kidd already, alot of guys not supporting a trade to send him here. Instead of posting about him in the trade thread, I think this is more appropriate...to make a thread just for him, to get everyone's opinion on bringing him here to Los Angeles. Now, here's my take on this situation. No matter what I've said in the past...Jason Kidd is what we need in Los Angeles. Kidd is arguably one of the best point guards in the history of the NBA, and has alot of experience, including playoff and Finals experience. He's a tenacious defender, a playmaker, and one of the top rebounding PG's. His ball distribution and his ability to score and pull down boards has made him a threat for any team...racking up triple-doubles left and right in his career. In the open court, Kidd is nothing less than great. So why should he wear purple and gold? Well, for many reasons. <ul> [*]Kidd wants to be a Laker. Surprising? Somewhat, considering all non-Laker fans would be quick to say that nobody wants to come to Los Angeles...and if so, it would be the Clippers. It's one thing for Tierre Brown to want a Laker jersey...but it's different when Kidd puts us at the top of his list. [*]Atkins/Tierre just won't cut it. If we were going to trade to help improve our team, then the first spot to concentrate on would be the point. Neither Atkins or Tierre have any defensive skills whatsoever...and I'll probably get away with saying no playmaking skills, either. We can't win with a mediocre, bench-worthy starting PG...so why keep it that way? [*]The Nets need a frontcourt. Badly. They just traded away Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and Alonzo Mourning...and if that's not enough, they didn't get a PF or center back. What better player to send off than Brian Grant, or Vlade Divac...or Slava Medvedenko. Even if it means trading Atkins with them, I sure wouldn't lose any sleep. A trade involving Kidd...for Grant, Atkins and a draft pick; I'm sure Thorn would bite, for the most part because Kidd is unhappy and they need players. The fans may not like it...but that's not our problem. [*]Our starting five. Kidd, Kobe, Caron, Odom, Mihm...it had championship written all over it. If we were to trade for Kidd and somehow add Krstic in the mix, we would have another PF/C to add to our roster, with an open space to sign someone like Keon Clark (shapecity's idea). [/list] Obviously, the problems that lie within this trade are the cap space and the injury. Just consider these two things: <ul> [*]We will still be over cap by 2008. Although you can sit and calculate how much we can take off our payroll up until 2007, we still have to give extensions to our players, and use up our cap signing other guys. So, as long as we have Kobe, Odom and Grant...we will be over the cap. Why not wait one or two more years to take Kidd off the books? Is a couple more years worth a couple of championships or more? I think so. [*]Kidd had surgery and is over thirty...so what? Michael Jordan, 1998 champion Chicago Bulls...you do the math...how old was he? I don't think Kidd is "done" as some people are assuming. He's got more than 3 good years left in him...which means by 2008, he'll be ready to leave, just as his contract is up. Bad knees, you say? Okay...if that's so, what do we do with Grant? If we don't trade Grant, we'll have him up until the spring of 2007. He's in worse shape than Jason is. [/list] Consider it, Laker fans. Something isn't right...and it's time to fix it before we lose the opportunity. We aren't getting Yao or Amare...that's not going to happen...so when you have an All-Star caliber guard, and one of the best in the history of the league, wanting to wear purple and gold...and we get the chance to get him without giving up Kobe or Lamar, what's the problem? I now feel it's our biggest decision to make all year long...but if I was Buss, I would pull the trigger without hesitating.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">There's been a few threads made on Kidd already, alot of guys not supporting a trade to send him here. Instead of posting about him in the trade thread, I think this is more appropriate...to make a thread just for him, to get everyone's opinion on bringing him here to Los Angeles. Now, here's my take on this situation. No matter what I've said in the past...Jason Kidd is what we need in Los Angeles. Kidd is arguably one of the best point guards in the history of the NBA, and has alot of experience, including playoff and Finals experience. He's a tenacious defender, a playmaker, and one of the top rebounding PG's. His ball distribution and his ability to score and pull down boards has made him a threat for any team...racking up triple-doubles left and right in his career. In the open court, Kidd is nothing less than great. So why should he wear purple and gold? Well, for many reasons. <ul> [*]Kidd wants to be a Laker. Surprising? Somewhat, considering all non-Laker fans would be quick to say that nobody wants to come to Los Angeles...and if so, it would be the Clippers. It's one thing for Tierre Brown to want a Laker jersey...but it's different when Kidd puts us at the top of his list. [*]Atkins/Tierre just won't cut it. If we were going to trade to help improve our team, then the first spot to concentrate on would be the point. Neither Atkins or Tierre have any defensive skills whatsoever...and I'll probably get away with saying no playmaking skills, either. We can't win with a mediocre, bench-worthy starting PG...so why keep it that way? [*]The Nets need a frontcourt. Badly. They just traded away Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and Alonzo Mourning...and if that's not enough, they didn't get a PF or center back. What better player to send off than Brian Grant, or Vlade Divac...or Slava Medvedenko. Even if it means trading Atkins with them, I sure wouldn't lose any sleep. A trade involving Kidd...for Grant, Atkins and a draft pick; I'm sure Thorn would bite, for the most part because Kidd is unhappy and they need players. The fans may not like it...but that's not our problem. [*]Our starting five. Kidd, Kobe, Caron, Odom, Mihm...it had championship written all over it. If we were to trade for Kidd and somehow add Krstic in the mix, we would have another PF/C to add to our roster, with an open space to sign someone like Keon Clark (shapecity's idea). [/list] Obviously, the problems that lie within this trade are the cap space and the injury. Just consider these two things: <ul> [*]We will still be over cap by 2008. Although you can sit and calculate how much we can take off our payroll up until 2007, we still have to give extensions to our players, and use up our cap signing other guys. So, as long as we have Kobe, Odom and Grant...we will be over the cap. Why not wait one or two more years to take Kidd off the books? Is a couple more years worth a couple of championships or more? I think so. [*]Kidd had surgery and is over thirty...so what? Michael Jordan, 1998 champion Chicago Bulls...you do the math...how old was he? I don't think Kidd is "done" as some people are assuming. He's got more than 3 good years left in him...which means by 2008, he'll be ready to leave, just as his contract is up. Bad knees, you say? Okay...if that's so, what do we do with Grant? If we don't trade Grant, we'll have him up until the spring of 2007. He's in worse shape than Jason is. [/list] Consider it, Laker fans. Something isn't right...and it's time to fix it before we lose the opportunity. We aren't getting Yao or Amare...that's not going to happen...so when you have an All-Star caliber guard, and one of the best in the history of the league, wanting to wear purple and gold...and we get the chance to get him without giving up Kobe or Lamar, what's the problem? I now feel it's our biggest decision to make all year long...but if I was Buss, I would pull the trigger without hesitating.</div> I have always considered a trade for Kidd and I think Kidd still wants a trade, I mean he has Vince Carter but lets face it, Vince is not exactly the greatest team mate and he demands to be the leader which could lead to well a lot of problems with the two Kidd being the leader of the Nets. I think since the Nets traded away there front court they need one, I would suggest we could offer the following players: Grant, Jones, Walton and some picks. This would give us Kidd and give a soluble front court for the east (Grant can play center when healthy and Jones has been playing more like a power foward as of lately, he has just been a beast inside with toughness and his rebounding, and Walton who is a very good prospect at small foward) This give the nets all good prospects and good solid supporting cast to Carter. We also give them some picks because well there rebuilding and The Lakers will be solid and complete once getting Kidd with no need for picks. This would be a great aquistion for the Lakers making them instint title contenders and I think they would win the Pacific and go to WCF.
I believe Kidd will ask for a trade to the Lakers IF he knows that our team is trying to acquire him. I don't think Thorn is going to be interested in the offer package you said though... but I don't think that he's not going to trade Kidd either as he has otherwise mentioned repeatedly. Well he's saying he's not gonna trade him because he's trying to make Kidd's somewhat low trade value high. I think the only way this trade will go down is if Kidd asks for a trade and makes the Lakers on the top of his short wish list. And I hope he doesn't make Denver his second choice (as a Laker fan, but I hope he does as a Nugget fan) because if he does I don't see Thorn will even consider the Lakers since Denver has more quality players to offer like Andre Miller, who could step in and replace Kidd right away... while we keep talking about Brian Grant.
Are you serious? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd...for Grant, Atkins and a draft pick</div>Seriously?<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd had surgery and is over thirty...so what?</div>You said it best.Why would the nets have the motivation to make a trade like that?Grant and vlade are basically done.Atkins and a pick certainly doesnt equal one of the "best pg's of all time".I could never see the nets trading jason kidd for a few scrubbs.If you want to point to the raptors and the deal they made,Zo isnt quite dont yet and eric williams is a nice player.Plus Carter was crying like a BABY!Why would new jersey do it without getting Odom?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? Seriously?You said it best.Why would the nets have the motivation to make a trade like that?Grant and vlade are basically done.Atkins and a pick certainly doesnt equal one of the "best pg's of all time".I could never see the nets trading jason kidd for a few scrubbs.If you want to point to the raptors and the deal they made,Zo isnt quite dont yet and eric williams is a nice player.Plus Carter was crying like a BABY!Why would new jersey do it without getting Odom?</div> K-Mart for three picks...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">K-Mart for three picks...</div> Exactly Thorin is exactly the smartest GM, with Kidd not being happy you know some draft picks/grant/jones/walton is not a bad deal, Walton with the right playing time not being behind Butler/Odom at the 3 spot is hard to get playing time and the lakers really arn't getting to play him that much. Jones is playing great this season and I think has a good trade value and Grant is a a servable big man in the east. with the draft picks i think this could be a closed deal.
Hmm, are you guys sure Jason Kidd actually wants to be playing for the Lakers? You guys have Kobe but well that be able to satisfy Kidd because there isn?t much supporting cast around him in LA. Kidd wants to be on a team that has the ability to be a title competitor, and right now I don't see that in the Lakers and that?s why J.Kidd said he wouldn?t report to Portland if traded there. Besides, the Lakers want to re-build around Kobe and I don't think Kidd is the answer because you have to wonder how many years he has left in him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm, are you guys sure Jason Kidd actually wants to be playing for the Lakers? You guys have Kobe but well that be able to satisfy Kidd because there isn?t much supporting cast around him in LA. Kidd wants to be on a team that has the ability to be a title competitor, and right now I don't see that in the Lakers and that?s why J.Kidd said he wouldn?t report to Portland if traded there. Besides, the Lakers want to re-build around Kobe and I don't think Kidd is the answer because you have to wonder how many years he has left in him.</div> Yeah I read the same Article Brandon, Lakers are top on his list. Also Kidd has 4 years left minimum, if he gets traded to the Lakers i will garentee he will plays more than that and even if he doesnt play like he did 2 years ago, he is still Jason Kidd, what does he go from the best pg to the 3rd best? ahah not bad if you ask me. also if lakers pick him up, they will be instant title contenders untill they loose kidd/kobe/odom which will be hard them being under long contracts, this means they could win rings and multiple ones over the years which brings in more big free agents for them to sign such as Stoudamire/Ming and these guys will sign with the team winning instead of a team loosing. So the fact is, if the Lakers pick him up it will be nothing but positive
Well, also...I don't see the Nets going after Odom. If they aren't stupid, they'll ask for Caron Butler in a deal for Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"A source says the Lakers are Kidd's No. 1 preference, but to date they have shown no interest, worried by his health, age (32) and contract ($90 million over five seasons through 2007-08.)"</div> http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nbatra...eadlines-sports its about half way down the article.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nbatra...eadlines-sports its about half way down the article.</div> Thanks.
As long as the Lakers do not have to give up Kobe, Odom, or Butler, I would not mind having Kidd as a Laker. The only thing I have a problem with, is if the Lakers are willing to invest the type of money into an aging player, why didn't they just keep Shaq? I'm not sure what the Lakers can actually offer the Nets, Brian Grant? Divac? Cook? George? Atkins? Let's say the Lakers trade three guys and some picks for Kidd. It just creates the problem the Lakers had last year. Four great players Kobe, Kidd, Odom & Butler, and no bench or youth to build with. Maybe a third team can be involved so the Lakers don't have to give up a lot of players and deplete the bench?
Shapecity...the way I see it, we didn't keep Shaq because he wanted a huge extension and because we hadn't won a title in two years with Kobe and Shaq...and it looked as if we weren't going to again after our loss to the Pistons.
I have a feeling the Nets would want Jumaine Jones and honestly..I am just not sold on Kidd. I dont want to risk him, he is a great player when healthy, but his contract is huge. In Atkins we lose a perimeter shot, thats about it...but I like Cook a lot, and I would like to keep some young players here to develop a team for the future... I like Shape's idea of having a third team involved.
maybe a chicago/nets/lakers trade Chicago has a lot of expiring young contracts while needing veteran xp? Could be a possibility.
Im finding it hard to not use any offensive language after reading some of this stuff.Wouldnt give up jumaine jones cause you arent sold on Kidd?Wouldnt want to give up Butler in any trade involving kidd?My goodness!Not dealing with the fact that the trade idea for Kidd so far is garbage and responding with "Kmart for 3 picks". Its Jason kidd.Some saying hes one of the best pg's in the league and others cant give up jones or butler for him.Wow.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Shapecity...the way I see it, we didn't keep Shaq because he wanted a huge extension and because we hadn't won a title in two years with Kobe and Shaq...and it looked as if we weren't going to again after our loss to the Pistons.</div> Yeah the main reason was the money and extension issue, but if he did re-sign the money he would be making would be in the same ballpark as what Kidd is making and is going to make for the next 5 years. I believe Shaq wanted a 3 year deal at $30 Mil which would be $90M, Kidd's total earnings is about $80M. Either option kills the future for the Lakers and their goal of building the team around Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">K-Mart for three picks...</div> I've said the same thing several times. People keep asking me why would they trade Kidd for scrubs? Well, they did up K-mart for three picks that aint even guaranteed to get back talent in return..... 1+1=2?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">Im finding it hard to not use any offensive language after reading some of this stuff.Wouldnt give up jumaine jones cause you arent sold on Kidd?Wouldnt want to give up Butler in any trade involving kidd?My goodness!Not dealing with the fact that the trade idea for Kidd so far is garbage and responding with "Kmart for 3 picks". Its Jason kidd.Some saying hes one of the best pg's in the league and others cant give up jones or butler for him.Wow.</div> Yeah a year ago the trade would be a no brainer, but for me the Lakers are in a transition with their team, and I think adding Kidd hurts their ability to build a young team around Kobe. The injury and age, compounded with his long and expensive salary makes him a liability for the Lakers. Giving up a bunch of scrubs for Kidd would be great, but who comes off the bench for the Lakers, and how can the Lakers be a player in the off-season to build for the future? Trading Butler could work, if the Lakers can find another Power Forward on the market. I don't like the idea of George starting because come playoff time, teams are going to force him to win games, and that will spell disaster for the Lakers. Maybe a lineup of Kidd, Kobe, Odom, Mihm, and Divac could work. It's a tough call either way.
