Their's talks of Baron Davis being traded to the Clippers, the Clips have started off low offering <font color="Red">Kittles, Rebraca and Jaric</font> for <font color="MediumTurquoise">Baron </font> The Hornets want Wilcox and a draft pick along with Kittles and Jaric http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_10874.shtml <font size="3"><u>The Good</u></font> Everyone is always talking about having a nice combo PG to play next to Livingston, and Baron is the perfect guy. He can shoot, pass, score, will take and make clutch shots, and is a good defender. Baron can defend opposing PG's while Livingston defends opposing SG's [doesn't have the strength, but his lenght is amazing], and on offense, Livingston will be the primary distributor while Baron is secondary and more of a scorer. Think of how the Wizards play with Arenas and Hughes. Baron will not be the lone offensive player, and will take a lesser role on offense becoming a 16-18 PPG score as opposed to a 20 PPG scorer. His percentages should ries to about 43% and 35%/ The team will become a much bigger playoff contender, and will still be good for the future as Baron is only 25 years old. The lineup of: PG - Baron SG - Maggette SF - Simmons PF - Brand C - Kaman Will be a formidable opponent, and they can really make some noise in the West. <font size="3"><u>The Bad</u></font> Baron has many injury problems, and he's only played 65 or so games per season, and seems to constantly get injured. What will happen to Bobby Simmons later down the road? Assuming we re-sign him, he will become the 6th man when Livingston begins to start. The lineup will be: PG - Livingston PG/SG - Baron SF - Maggette PF - Brand C - Kaman 6th man - Simmons Their's nothing wrong with him as a 6th man, but with his defense and offensive efficiency I'd rather see him in the starting lineup, and if the team get's Baron will he re-sign because he could foreshadow the whole situation happening.
If Baron is available witch the Hornets always deny if he is, then the Clippers should make a run at trading for him. Baron's future in New Orleans doesn't look good as of now an I'm sure he wouldn?t mind returning to his hometown in LA as the Clippers are on the rise. But can the Clipps afford to have him, you would hate to see him go down with injury and you also have to keep in mind that Elton Brand has health problems as well. So there could be some holes, and chemistry problems if this deal were to happen. But I think the good outdoes the bad if BD were to be traded to the Clipps, he would be on a contending team, and he would have a solid supporting cast around him. This would bring numerous of opportunities to him and the Clippers; I think they should go for it.
OMG, give them Wilcox then ...he's been in Dunleavy's dog house lately because of his poor defense. I'd do this trade in a heartbeat... I've never been a huge Jaric fan, and it appears Livingston is at least 2 years away so why not give the reigns to Davis. og15 brings up a good point with Simmons and his great play, and honestly, if he can prove that he can play like this for the next few years ,the clipps should lock him up long term and look to move Maggette IMO. I like Maggette, but he's looking more and more like the 2nd coming of Jerry Stackhouse, and I think the clipps can do without him. Simmons is a better role player (and much better defender), and Maggette's trade value is a lot higher so we could probably get a lot for him....
If you saw the thread about Maggette's shot selection, then you'd know that I agree, Maggette has been taking way too many bad shots. Now I wouldn't put him as Stackhouse since he can rebound and defend, but if we could trade Maggette for some good bench players [not scrubs], and then get Baron and have the lineup of: PG - Livingston SG - Baron SF - Simmons PF - Brand C - Kaman 6th Man - Someone in a trade for Maggette 7th Man - Mikki Moore 8th Man - Some other guy from a Maggette trade I'd be pretty happy with that.
Wilcox will not breakout in L.A. with Brand and Kaman around. A lineup with Baron, Maggette, and Brand could bet very lethal. You have a pg who can get you the ball, a SF who can hit the oustide shot and slash, and a dominatn big man. I would do this deal in a heartbeat.
What if Maggette could be traded for a player like James Posey or Shane Battier and Dahntay Jones or something, those are guys [Posey and Battier] who can fill the 6th man role and will be willing to take the decreased role to playing only about 25-28 minutes which is what they play in Memphis anyways. They're defensive guys, and can do it all basically. Not that it would actually happen, but it could be a possibility if the Clippers management was thinking the same way. They'd probably want to keep Maggette though, but who knows.... EDIT: The article also says the Hornets want to include PJ Brown, which I wouldn't mind if it was actually possible without obviously trading Brand, Simmon, Maggette or Livingston. This would give a good rotation at the PF/C positions with Brand | PJ Brown | Kaman | Mikki Moore. The Clips don't have the contracts to do that though...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Now I wouldn't put him as Stackhouse since he can rebound and defend,</div> I agree with the rebounding, but Maggette has looked horrible on the defensive end this year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but if we could trade Maggette for some good bench players [not scrubs], and then get Baron and have the lineup of: PG - Livingston SG - Baron SF - Simmons PF - Brand C - Kaman 6th Man - Someone in a trade for Maggette 7th Man - Mikki Moore 8th Man - Some other guy from a Maggette trade I'd be pretty happy with that.</div> Yea, that's ideal for me as well. But they have to be two very good bench players who could start for other teams, and one of them should be a big man ... *sigh* we can all dream about the possibilities.....
The clippers are dumb if they don't do this (with Wilcox). Of course we don't know if this is true, but they should do this. They're going nowhere with this team right now. Livingston isn't going to be a star/very good player in this league until a couple years down the road. With this trade, they become closer to contention, and may eventually reach it in a year or two with that core of Livingston, Baron, Brand and Kaman.
Update on Baron trade... http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_10961.shtml Clippers getting serious? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Clippers aren't close to sure they want Baron with his injuries and salary. On paper, it's the right basketball move, but fiscally it may be too great a risk. Although the Clippers aren't known for spending money, a source within the organization noted that they offered Gilbert Arenas and Kobe Bryant sizable deals despite having Corey Maggette and Elton Brand under contract. Other sources have made it clear that Maggette, Brand, Bobby Simmons, Chris Kaman and Shaun Livingston are not available via trade.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When pressed on the issue, Dunleavy responded in broad terms, not specifically referring to New Orleans. "We would make a move that we thought would benefit our organization long term. Obviously we haven't had the right deal or we would have already pulled the trigger on it." When asked, Vice President of Basketball Operations, Elgin Baylor, listened politely but would only offer one comment . . . "What about his back?"</div> It's at least good to know that the team is now willing to spend money, maybe Sterling has made so much he decided it's time to spend a little, whatever it is, it's good. I also have concerns about Baron's back injuries, but I like the idea that the team is determined to keep Simmons which is a good thing. If Livingston can develop earlier than expected which is very possible because he was impressive in the time he played this season, Baron really won't be needed with Livingston-Simmons-Maggette-Brand, the team will just need for fortify the bench.
What a joke. The Clippers are not making a great offer at all. Davis is a star in this league, and is much more than Kittles and Jaric. I think the Clippers are trying to pull of a Vince Carter. If they did manage to get Baron they would be instant contenders.
