Wussup y'all? New blood here. Let me just say that if Ainge trades Pierce, they will not get anyone close to him in return. We don't want anyone else.
Hey CELTSFANinCT! Welcome to JBB! It's always nice to see new C's fans on here. If you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask me. As for your point....You're dead-on. The market value for PP is not high enough to get anything close in return.
No way buddy, dont wish that self center SOB to come to philly. We already have enough with Allen by himself. If he's that happy he needs to follow Antwoine. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sonics1:</div><div class="quote_post">I say maybe trade him to the 76ers to help A.I. out. Trade away maybe Kenny Thomas (before he retires) and maybe Willie Green. That would be a nice squad.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting stillgot-it:</div><div class="quote_post">No way buddy, dont wish that self center SOB to come to philly. </div> Huh? Please explain how Pierce is self-centered. When you make an accusation such as that you should really back it up with something. By the way, Welcome to JBB!
Another one... Boston trades: PG Gary Payton (13.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.4 apg in 33.5 minutes) SG Jiri Welsch (8.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.5 minutes) Boston receives: SF Mike Dunleavy (10.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.6 apg in 30.8 minutes) PG Speedy Claxton (12.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.1 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and -0.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Thoughts?
Seems reasonable but I just wish that we could keep The Glove. He's such a good mentor for all these young guys like Marcus and Delonte. On the other hand, lil' Speedy isn't really good for much, except being an average point guard. Mike Dunleavy, hmmm.... Would Paul play SG and have Dunleavy play SF? It'd be interesting and probably take away from Ricky D's playing time.
Paul Pierce is almost the exact opposite of that. I mean, if it's late in the game and he needs to take over by taking some shots, more power to him. He makes most of the clutch shots he takes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Another one... Boston trades: PG Gary Payton (13.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.4 apg in 33.5 minutes) SG Jiri Welsch (8.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.5 minutes) Boston receives: SF Mike Dunleavy (10.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.6 apg in 30.8 minutes) PG Speedy Claxton (12.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.1 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and -0.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Thoughts?</div> Very possible. Gary is from the area, so even though the warriors aren't a championship contender, he may accept going there. I would love to get Mike Dunleavy, because I think he has a very high basketball IQ and could be a very nice addition. Also, there was talk of him to the Clippers earlier this year, so I would assume he's available. My only concern would be whether or not Marcus is ready and able to take over the starting point role, because I see Speedy as a backup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CeltsMan54:</div><div class="quote_post">Very possible. Gary is from the area, so even though the warriors aren't a championship contender, he may accept going there. I would love to get Mike Dunleavy, because I think he has a very high basketball IQ and could be a very nice addition. Also, there was talk of him to the Clippers earlier this year, so I would assume he's available. My only concern would be whether or not Marcus is ready and able to take over the starting point role, because I see Speedy as a backup.</div> Yeah, you hit on the reasons why I suggested the trade. However, if Speedy became a Celtic, I believe he could hold down the starting job, and I think he'd do a good job at it. He would be a reliable guy to go to when Banks/West are "showing their age". But, with Speedy, Rivers could play the PG that he felt was playing best without even a thought of his ego. A lot was made of the recent game that Banks finished against New York and whether Gary was happy about it. Rivers brought up that the coaches took a vote on whether to put Gary back in. I don't think that would be a thought in the mind of Doc with a guy like Speedy. With all that said, I think keeping Gary is the best option. They should only deal him if the return value is good, and not just because they feel they have to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, your idea is about 3 million times more ridiculous than mine is. Why would Boston trade away Pierce and Welsch for Jalen Rose? Just look at the change in team outlook, not to mention the fact that Jalen Rose has been traded twice already in his career , and now his current team is trying to get rid of him. For somebody that has some actual talent, there must be some major problems with him because he's a league doorknob. As for Palacio: If we wanted him that badly, we would have kept him in the first place. But now that you've mentioned it, please explain to me how the trade I brought up is so ridiculous in your eyes. Instead of just dismissing it, how about giving a couple reasons why you think that Dallas wouldn't do it? Josh Howard is the only reason I can think of, so here you go... Boston trades: PG Gary Payton (13.2 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.4 apg in 33.8 minutes) C Mark Blount (12.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 31.3 minutes) Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05) SG Jiri Welsch (8.1 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.2 minutes) Boston receives: PG Jason Terry (9.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.6 apg in 24.4 minutes) C Erick Dampier (8.2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: -15.7 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and -5.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED</div> of course my idea was crasy. But yours wasnt much better. Neither would get done. YoThe second trade is more likely, but i still think Dallas would turn it down. Stewart is nothing, Blount and Dampier are a wash, with Damp getting a slight edge for his shot blocking and rebounding if given full minutes. Welsh is a solid player and Paytons Payton, but that being said he's old and might very well retire after this year. Your first trade idea WAS ridiculous. Howard has a TON of potential, he's great and basically you're suggesting a trade of Welsh and Stewert for Howard since Blount and Damp cancel eachother out and Terry and Payton do the same. It wouldnt happen. Take howard out and it might work, but i still dont think they'd do it. Terry could get better numbers given the same minutes and Damp can so the same, and no one wants Stewart. The second trade with the Warriors is more realistic, though i dont think the WArriors would do it. They dont really need Payton with Fisher. And bottom line, unless you're trading Gary to a contender he's not gunna go for a trade, he simply wont report. The Celtics are lucky he ended up coming to camp this year, he wont do it again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">of course my idea was crasy. But yours wasnt much better. Neither would get done. YoThe second trade is more likely, but i still think Dallas would turn it down. Stewart is nothing, Blount and Dampier are a wash, with Damp getting a slight edge for his shot blocking and rebounding if given full minutes. Welsh is a solid player and Paytons Payton, but that being said he's old and might very well retire after this year. Your first trade idea WAS ridiculous. Howard has a TON of potential, he's great and basically you're suggesting a trade of Welsh and Stewert for Howard since Blount and Damp cancel eachother out and Terry and Payton do the same. It wouldnt happen. Take howard out and it might work, but i still dont think they'd do it. Terry could get better numbers given the same minutes and Damp can so the same, and no one wants Stewart. The second trade with the Warriors is more realistic, though i dont think the WArriors would do it. They dont really need Payton with Fisher. And bottom line, unless you're trading Gary to a contender he's not gunna go for a trade, he simply wont report. The Celtics are lucky he ended up coming to camp this year, he wont do it again.</div> It's pretty obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, The Mavs have come out and said that they have their eyes on Payton. That's the reason that I tried to suggest a deal with Payton ending up to Dallas. So regardless of whether he decides to retire or not, there is interest in him, so you can't dismiss it that easily. Also, I think it's hilarious that you thought that I included Stewart because I thought Dallas would use him. Yogi Stewart has an expiring contract, which is very attractive to many teams out there. Dallas could choose to keep him or trade him away to a bottom of the barrel team looking for cap space. He will most likely be dealt this year, and have an extraordinary talent-to-return value ratio. That's what you call a valuable commodity. When comparing Blount to Damp, you neglected to mention that Blount is a far more superior Offensive player. This is Dallas we are talking about, offense is the name of the game. Blount is faster than Dampier, he can run the floor, he's a better shooter, and he can create his own shot in the post.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">It's pretty obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, The Mavs have come out and said that they have their eyes on Payton. That's the reason that I tried to suggest a deal with Payton ending up to Dallas. So regardless of whether he decides to retire or not, there is interest in him, so you can't dismiss it that easily..</div> oh i know what i'm talking about. I know that Payton would draw interest from any team looking for leadership and expeirence at the point, especially a team like Dallas thats in a post-Nash era. I believe they would consider a trade Terry for Payton one for one, but it would depend on how they're doing come allstar break. Terry's a talent and his contract is up after next season, which isnt too bad. Payton would be good to mentor Harris though. I think its pretty 50-50 <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also, I think it's hilarious that you thought that I included Stewart because I thought Dallas would use him. Yogi Stewart has an expiring contract, which is very attractive to many teams out there. Dallas could choose to keep him or trade him away to a bottom of the barrel team looking for cap space. He will most likely be dealt this year, and have an extraordinary talent-to-return value ratio. That's what you call a valuable commodity..</div> wow, since when did Dallas care about the salary cap? How does loosing Yogi's contract help a team that would still be way over the cap, and in need of a PG after the season when Payton is even older and perhaps retired. I'm sure no team would turn him down just for the fact that he's got that expiring contract, but i wouldnt look for a team in Dallas' position to make a trade just for financial reasons. Sure they'd have Hendersons, Stewarts and Paytons expiring contract but i dont think there are any free agents that they'll be looking to pick up, at least none of the big names. They dont really need Redd, Allen or Rahim. He'd help your deal, but not enough to make them bite. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post"> When comparing Blount to Damp, you neglected to mention that Blount is a far more superior Offensive player. This is Dallas we are talking about, offense is the name of the game. Blount is faster than Dampier, he can run the floor, he's a better shooter, and he can create his own shot in the post.</div> Blount is a better Offensive Player. Still not a scorer by any means, but not half bad. I think this is a new Dallas team. With players like Nowitzki, Finley, Daniels, Stackhouse, and Howard, why do they want to sacrifice a superior defensive and rebounding presence for the sake of MORE offense. I think you're way off on a one for one swap. Welsh he would be a welcome addition. Not all that necessary though, since they have plenty of talented players at his position. After all this the trade looks like a possibility, so Dallas might do it. This being your second deal... ie. Welsh, Payton, Blount and Stewart for Terry, Dampier But i dont see them doing it if it includes Howard. of all the guys in the trade he has by far the most potential. He's an amazing player and i dont see them giving up on him for the sakes of Welsh and Stewart (payton-terry, damp-blount being near washes) I still dont think its possible, though maybe its more reasonable then i initially gave it credit for.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">wow, since when did Dallas care about the salary cap? How does loosing Yogi's contract help a team that would still be way over the cap</div> Like I already said..... Dallas could use Stewart for a trade to a bad team that's looking for cap space. I don't know why you decided not to read that part of my post, but I don't mind repeating it. You're right about Howard though, that's why I didn't bother pursuing it any further. But one last thing, Gary Payton will not retire after this year, unless it's due to an injury.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Like I already said..... Dallas could use Stewart for a trade to a bad team that's looking for cap space. I don't know why you decided not to read that part of my post, but I don't mind repeating it..</div> well i appreciate you repeating it. Though i did read it last time. I just dont think Dallas needs to make any move, let alone more a Boston trade AND then another one. I see the value, but i dont think Dallas is the mark. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post"> You're right about Howard though, that's why I didn't bother pursuing it any further. But one last thing, Gary Payton will not retire after this year, unless it's due to an injury.</div> maybe not, especially if he's on a winning team that COULD win the title with his help this year and with him has a backup next year. But its a risk to take, Dallas could loose a good peice to their lineup
Hi, I'm new. The Celtics need defence. I'd hate to see Pierce to get traded.. I also don't see it happening. Ron Artest could be good for us...but at what cost? maybe Davis?
A. daniels <div class="quote_poster">Quoting fireburner:</div><div class="quote_post">Hi, I'm new. The Celtics need defence. I'd hate to see Pierce to get traded.. I also don't see it happening. Ron Artest could be good for us...but at what cost? maybe Davis?</div> I say trade payton for Antonio daniels from seattle. hes a 6 4 pg who is a tough defender, can run the break, pass and hit the long ball. he can also play teh 2 when west is in the game. I think he is very underrated. If we could trade Payton for Daniels and a draft pick i would be very happy. and our defence of banks, daniels and allen would be sick. Seattle would do this because they have alot of guards and would want someone who is out in a year. THis would also give them a mentor for luke Ridenur. I love the idea what do u guys think
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NEfool:</div><div class="quote_post">I say trade payton for Antonio daniels from seattle. hes a 6 4 pg who is a tough defender, can run the break, pass and hit the long ball. he can also play teh 2 when west is in the game. I think he is very underrated. If we could trade Payton for Daniels and a draft pick i would be very happy. and our defence of banks, daniels and allen would be sick. Seattle would do this because they have alot of guards and would want someone who is out in a year. THis would also give them a mentor for luke Ridenur. I love the idea what do u guys think</div> I would love it for the Celtics, but I just can't see Seattle doing it. You have to think that Payton would want to continue to play the 30+ minutes he has been playing here and thats not happening in Seattle, because that would take minutes from Ridinour. Also, they love Daniels as their 6th man. That would be like us trading Ricky Davis for Kenny Anderson (not saying that Payton has fallen that far, but you get the idea).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cash-Money:</div><div class="quote_post">Without Pierce there is no Boston Celtics.</div> I hope everyone can forgive me for saying this, but...without Shaq there are no Lakers. Please forgive my messy and rueful indulgence. I don't mean any harm by it.
