<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Not necessary true. Jamison gets less than 14 mils per year in average, Richardson gets 12 mils per year in average and Murphy gets 10 mils per year in average. So, in a sense, we trade Jamison for just one of those two guys, and trading Jamison wasn't even close to cover their salaries. Besides, we COULD have retained both Richardson and Murphy while keeping Jamison (Fisher and Foyle makes same money per year as what Jamison makes), and if we made smart financial decisions (like not signing Fisher or getting Najera), we might be able to retain Pietrus at the same time. Besides, when they traded Jamison, they had no idea whether they would resign Richardson and Murphy or not. The deal was made for future financial freedom, AND give starting job for Dunleavy, whom they trusted a lot at that point...</div> But trusting Dunleavy turned out to be a huge mistake
I can't wait until they unload that guy. Nobody is dumb enough to give him an expensive qualifying offer to retain him but maybe our GM. Isn't that the rule? Because he was a top 3 pick we have to shell out more money for him? I just don't see him coming cheaply.
Cmon you guys ... I can't believe you guys are hating on Dunleavy ... He's one of my favorite Warriors ... Why? Because he's, IMO, one of the more complete/well-rounded players ... He has great basketball instincts, he's smart, he has great ball-handling skills(not just for his size, but overall), court-vision, shooting touch, he can become a rebounder, good fundamentals ... and he's gonna get better The W's are trying to concentrate more on the future, than the present right? Isn't that why they Signed Jason and Murph to long-term contracts?? One More Thing: Pietrus is more of a timely situation guy IMO ... Stick him in for Defensive Stops and for the Energy ... Just My Opinion ...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BALLIN IN AZGS:</div><div class="quote_post">Cmon you guys ... I can't believe you guys are hating on Dunleavy ... He's one of my favorite Warriors ... Why? Because he's, IMO, one of the more complete/well-rounded players ... He has great basketball instincts, he's smart, he has great ball-handling skills(not just for his size, but overall), court-vision, shooting touch, he can become a rebounder, good fundamentals ... and he's gonna get better The W's are trying to concentrate more on the future, than the present right? Isn't that why they Signed Jason and Murph to long-term contracts?? One More Thing: Pietrus is more of a timely situation guy IMO ... Stick him in for Defensive Stops and for the Energy ... Just My Opinion ...</div> Dunleavy fouls a lot, has bad shot selection,can't play D, and about the only thing he can really do well is pass. We need to get rid of Dunleavy for some good post player and get Pietrus to start since, Pietrus is a better player, shooter, defender, and athelete
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post"> Pietrus is a better player, shooter, defender, and athelete</div> Yes ... Dunleavy is a liabity on the defensive end ... but ... He'll get better ... he's a Smart player ... and far as Shooting? I think Dunleavy has a better stroke ... Pietrus scores by playing in the open court ... or by shooting 3's ... that's more of his style ... I think in time ... Dunleavy's offensive game will come with experience ... I think Dunleavy is a better PG than D-Fish =) ... so if we should get rid of anybody it should be Fish and Najera ... I absolutely ... Don't get me started on them ...
^ GET RID OF FOYLE!!!! WHAT COULD THEY OF BEEN THINKING!!! i still cant see why it happened(the fat contract, before any other team even bothered to offer). How could Mullin rationilize it and how can you guys still watch his team after a bone head move like that? No disrespect, if anything props for being devoted to a team that consistently doesnt bring it
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">^ GET RID OF FOYLE!!!! WHAT COULD THEY OF BEEN THINKING!!! i still cant see why it happened(the fat contract, before any other team even bothered to offer). How could Mullin rationilize it and how can you guys still watch his team after a bone head move like that? No disrespect, if anything props for being devoted to a team that consistently doesnt bring it</div> Foyle is good, but we do need to get rid of him if he isn't going to play
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy ....about the only thing he can really do well is pass. </div> Well basketball is a team game right? Passing is huge and makes others better players. If you just put 5 athletes out there you get chaos and a lot of isolation and clear outs. Dunleavy has been nearly nonexistent the past couple of games but apparently he had the flu and lost 10 lbs. I expect him to get more confidence and in turn play better. BTW, the Warriors cannot survive with Pietrus and JRich at the 2 and 3 against the better teams because Pietrus is simply too small to guard the 3s. Dunleavy may be slow and will get beat but at least he has size and will rebound. As for Dunleavy's shot selection, it is pretty good in my estimation. He rarely rushes a shot or takes one when he is out of control. Yes Pietrus scored 24 the other night, but remember that was against the Nuggets who are not known for their defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Well basketball is a team game right? Passing is huge and makes others better players. If you just put 5 athletes out there you get chaos and a lot of isolation and clear outs. Dunleavy has been nearly nonexistent the past couple of games but apparently he had the flu and lost 10 lbs. I expect him to get more confidence and in turn play better. BTW, the Warriors cannot survive with Pietrus and JRich at the 2 and 3 against the better teams because Pietrus is simply too small to guard the 3s. Dunleavy may be slow and will get beat but at least he has size and will rebound. As for Dunleavy's shot selection, it is pretty good in my estimation. He rarely rushes a shot or takes one when he is out of control. Yes Pietrus scored 24 the other night, but remember that was against the Nuggets who are not known for their defense.</div> Wait. The Nuggets are not known for their defense? Thye have Camby and Nene are both blocking machines. And your comment about the Warriors not able to survive with Pietrus and J-Rich as 2 and 3 can be changed. Pietrus can guard the 2.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait. The Nuggets are not known for their defense? Thye have Camby and Nene are both blocking machines. And your comment about the Warriors not able to survive with Pietrus and J-Rich as 2 and 3 can be changed. Pietrus can guard the 2.</div> They're not known for good individual defence ... Camby and Nene are like ... Weakside Shot Blockers
Mark my words, once other teams start focusing on stopping Pietrus, his numbers are going to go WAY down and everyone will be off his jock and on to the next guy's (probably Biedrins). It happened with Jamison, it happened with Hughes, it happened with Richardson, it happened with Dunleavy, and it's going to happen to Pietrus. The problem with a lot of Warrior fans is that they have sky high expectations for the new guys and once the shine wears off, fans want to get rid of them for the next flavor of the month. Just look at the job Jamison and Hughes are doing in Washington and the way Richardson is playing now. If fans had their way, Richardson would have been gone in favor of Arenas or Pietrus long ago. You've got to stick with guys longer than a year or two to see how the player is actually going to turn out. Just think how good this team would be with Jamison on the team now, playing pf with Murphy at c... The issue with Pietrus is that being athletic and running around causing havoc only gets you so far in this league. It's great when he's going up against a team that didn't game plan for him, but once teams figure him out, he's not going to be nearly as effective. At some point you need to develop enough skills that the defenses can't take away everything you do on offense. Dunleavy has all the skills and the team plays better when he's in there. Trust me, by the end of the year Dunleavy will be (or he should be) out of everyone's doghouse. I'm not trying to bag on Pietrus, I'm just trying to give fans some perspective. There's a reason why teams like Dallas and Sacramento are good now when they used to be horrible 4-5 years ago, THEY STUCK WITH THEIR CORE PLAYERS. Through the bad times and good, they kept the same core players and the coach. Meanwhile the Warriors are continually overturning their roster and changing coaches, just to appease the fans. Well guess what, the only way the team is going to improve is if it sticks with the same group of players and the same coach, and that includes Dunleavy. He's got a skill set that only a handful of other players in the league have. You keep guys like that.
wtwalker77, thanks. Its nice to hear that someone sees the same things I see. Okay, last night may have been Dunleavy's high point but what a high point. He was confident, assertive, and made the two biggest plays in crunch time with his runner in the lane and then the block on Mo Peterson right afterwards. I really hope the problem was the flu.
The one thing I dont agree with in wtwalker's post is that no one is going to focus their defense on Pietrus when Jrich is still here and averaging over 20pts per game...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Mark my words, once other teams start focusing on stopping Pietrus, his numbers are going to go WAY down and everyone will be off his jock and on to the next guy's (probably Biedrins). It happened with Jamison, it happened with Hughes, it happened with Richardson, it happened with Dunleavy, and it's going to happen to Pietrus. The problem with a lot of Warrior fans is that they have sky high expectations for the new guys and once the shine wears off, fans want to get rid of them for the next flavor of the month. Just look at the job Jamison and Hughes are doing in Washington and the way Richardson is playing now. If fans had their way, Richardson would have been gone in favor of Arenas or Pietrus long ago. You've got to stick with guys longer than a year or two to see how the player is actually going to turn out. Just think how good this team would be with Jamison on the team now, playing pf with Murphy at c... The issue with Pietrus is that being athletic and running around causing havoc only gets you so far in this league. It's great when he's going up against at team that didn't game plan for him, but once teams figure him out, he's not going to be nearly as effective. At some point you need to develop enough skills that the defenses can't take away everything you do on offense. Dunleavy has all the skills and the team plays better when he's in there. Trust me, by the end of the year Dunleavy is (or he should be) out of everyone's doghouse. I'm not trying to bag on Pietrus, I'm just trying to give fans some perspective. There's a reason why teams like Dallas and Sacramento are good now when they used to be horrible 4-5 years ago, THEY STUCK WITH THEIR CORE PLAYERS. Through the bad times and good, they kept the same core players and the coach. Meanwhile the Warriors are continually overturning their roster and changing coaches, just to appease the fans. Well guess what, the only way the team is going to improve is if it sticks with the same group of players and the same coach, and that includes Dunleavy. He's got a skill set that only a handful of other players in the league have. You keep guys like that.</div> That is a good post, but I don't think real fans would want Pietrus to leave once he is stopped, he will still be able to score, but he can still play good D.
Wtwalker77, I agree with you 100%. Having good players is one thing, but having chemistry is a whole other thing that most people don't account for. Having chemisty makes the sum of the parts greater than the individual parts alone. 1+1+chemistry = 3! Keeping the core together, Jrich, Murph-Dog, and Dunleavey for a few years will make a big difference. I like how Speedy is developing too. Hope to keep him too!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tkdo:</div><div class="quote_post">Wtwalker77, I agree with you 100%. Having good players is one thing, but having chemistry is a whole other thing that most people don't account for. Having chemisty makes the sum of the parts greater than the individual parts alone. 1+1+chemistry = 3! Keeping the core together, Jrich, Murph-Dog, and Dunleavey for a few years will make a big difference. I like how Speedy is developing too. Hope to keep him too!</div> Dunleavy is so inconistent. He will score 5 for a few games, then he scores 20.
I'd rather have at least one good defender on the wings though otherwise I never see us making the playoffs or if we do make it, going at least deeper than Run TMC went. Plus I don't think Mullin will re-sign Speedy given his injury problems. He'll probably ride Luis Flores as starter in a couple of years if he turns out nicely and that will force the offense to run through Dunleavy's hands. Sigh... I guess Run TMC is better than nothing, but I'd rather have a balanced attack of offense and smothering defense with a good center that can score some.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd rather have at least one good defender on the wings though otherwise I never see us making the playoffs or if we do make it, going at least deeper than Run TMC went. Plus I don't think Mullin will re-sign Speedy given his injury problems. He'll probably ride Luis Flores as starter in a couple of years if he turns out nicely and that will force the offense to run through Dunleavy's hands. Sigh... I guess Run TMC is better than nothing, but I'd rather have a balanced attack of offense and smothering defense with a good center that can score some.</div> I agree 100%. If Mullin has a brain, he will unload Fisher and keep Speedy and Flores, but then again, his golden boy is Dunleavy
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tkdo:</div><div class="quote_post">Wtwalker77, I agree with you 100%. Having good players is one thing, but having chemistry is a whole other thing that most people don't account for. Having chemisty makes the sum of the parts greater than the individual parts alone. 1+1+chemistry = 3! Keeping the core together, Jrich, Murph-Dog, and Dunleavey for a few years will make a big difference. I like how Speedy is developing too. Hope to keep him too!</div> When has this team ever kept anyone together? We're basically the farm team for the Wizards. I hope we keep a solid core together, but you have to look at the financial side of things. Cohan hasn't proved that he will be willing to go way over the cap to keep a core where Jrich and Murphy are making top dollars and mediocre lockeroom leader/role players like Adonal Foyle and Derek Fisher are making quite a bit themselves. I just don't see our team being kept together without sacrificing talent. What we need is flexibility or a new owner who has a game plan and can keep the GM in line because he knows basketball and what style of team he wants.
