Negatives: Kobe Bryant (read first post)

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  1. jbbReal Deal

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    Read the directions carefully...

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    Next poster...first negative...
     
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    Well...he tries to do too much. But thats the way the offense is designed. Its mainly his fg % and turnovers this year that are hurting him. If he can attack the basket like he did last night, I expect the TO's to go down and the FG% to go up. He is supposed to take shots in the clutch, so no one bring that up..its invalid. Don't say he isnt getting teammates involved....7 assists....same with rebounding...7 a game.
     
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    First negative. (please don't bash me on this laker fans)

    His problems off the court. He was accused for raping a girl from the hotel he was staying in, he pissed off Karl Malone, Shaq, and Phil Jackson and was one of the main causes they have left. Also he has made himself many enemies off the court that are pro Bball players
     
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    Karl Malone went to far, if what was reported is true, would you not defend your wife? I know I sure would....

    Shaq was offered a contract, it just wasn't as much as he wanted. Everybody in their right mind would of taken Kobe over Shaq for the future...I am not saying Kobe isn't the reason Shaq left, because I believe he had a lot to do with it..but Shaq had his opportunity to stay...

    I believe Phil would of left anyways, even if Kobe left...Phil wasn't getting his 10th ring with the duo of Kobe and Shaq...defenses picked up on that scheme...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">First negative. (please don't bash me on this laker fans)

    His problems off the court. He was accused for raping a girl from the hotel he was staying in, he pissed off Karl Malone, Shaq, and Phil Jackson and was one of the main causes they have left. Also he has made himself many enemies off the court that are pro Bball players</div>
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...euds/index.html this artilce does a good job breaking everything down. Malone was not Kobes fault the rap, shaq, and phil things where. But like Phil said if he could give Kobe one book it would be "when bad things happen to good people". This thread is more intended to be aimed at there on the court performance I believe.
     
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    Tex Winter (godfather of the triangle offense) once described Kobe as "very smart but impulsive."

    Its very obvious that the game of basketball comes easily to him. He has all the skills, motivation and work ethic to make him the best. However, that passion and drive can be easily taken out of context in his mind.

    You'll see Kobe try to emphasize things too much. For example last season, he was heavily scrutinized for being a ballhog. Kobe reacted by not shooting the ball at all against the Kings. Two seasons ago when Shaq was injured at the beginning of the season, Kobe took it upon himself to win games. But when none of his teammates were making shots, Kobe went on a shooting spree, taking practically every single shot.

    He'll take his hidden agenda so far that it messes up the team dynamic. One day he'll overpass. Another he'll overshoot...he'll over dribble. Not because he's a ballhog or whatever, but because his impulsiveness drives him to approach games with hidden agendas.

    His passion is his greatest asset, yet also his greatest weakness.
     
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    Yes, on-court please. [​IMG]

    A negative would be playing with injuries. I know we need him, but when he's hurting (his foot, or his shoulder injury last night), Kobe should be very cautious. I'd rather miss him for a couple of games rather than 20 games.
     
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    A Positive:

    Withall the publcity that Kobe gets,Bad and Good...esp Bad...Kobe seems to thrive on the negative and play like there's no tommmrow.that's one thing about Kobe i admire,is no matter what is on his plate that looks bad,he takes it on the court and well just dominates
     
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    Kobe does thrive from all the negative publicity. He proves people wrong left and right, but sometimes he does it at the expense of his team.

    Mel brought up an excellent point...his passion, determination, and drive is his greatest assest, yet also can be his biggest weakness.
     
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    <strike>Shaqiulle Oneal- Respect other players. See what happen between him and Kobe.</strike>

    <font color="Red"><font size="1">Let's not try and invite others to turn this into a Shaq/Kobe war. Out of all the stars I've done this thread over, this one is the one we have to be careful in.

    -Brandon</font></font>
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cash-Money:</div><div class="quote_post"><strike>Shaqiulle Oneal- Respect other players. See what happen between him and Kobe.</strike></div>

    Why did you bring Shaq up like that..this is negative things about Kobe..not shaq..you are going to start flame wars like this.
     
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    Another thing that occasionally bothers me about Kobe is his habit of jumping in the air and passing the ball. Tierre does this too, but he's not in for 44 minutes like Kobe. This accounts for at least one or two turnovers he has in a game. He jumps and, instead of knowing who he's going to pass to, he looks for them as he's in the air.

    He's not a PG, and that's a problem we have here in LA.
     
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    Yea, I was just about to bring up the passing in the air habit. I think he doesn't always do the best job of kicking the ball out, and he doesn't seem to have a second option when he gets stuck in midair.
     
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    Well, I kinda half agree on that. He has to jump, and pass to get out of the double teams. Usually people who don't do that have to call a time-out or end up turning the ball over, at least he's makin it possible to make something happen.

    A negative about him is that he goes away from the new moves he learns. For example, he got really good with his left hand. I haven't seen him hit a left handed shot in the longest time...I'm glad he kept the bank shot in his shot selection but I haven't seen the left handed off da glass in a while.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Well...he tries to do too much. But thats the way the offense is designed. Its mainly his fg % and turnovers this year that are hurting him. If he can attack the basket like he did last night, I expect the TO's to go down and the FG% to go up. He is supposed to take shots in the clutch, so no one bring that up..its invalid. Don't say he isnt getting teammates involved....7 assists....same with rebounding...7 a game.</div>
    The thing about this is that he attacks regularly, but attacking and getting to the basket against the Raptors, and attacking and getting to the basket against teams that actually have defense are very different things.

    The problem I see with Kobe is decision making, like Kobe8 siad, he tries to do too much, but also he doesn't yet know how to pick his spots. You'll see him many times have a failry clear path to the basket, and then pass the ball, then you'll see him double teamed and take a fadeaway jumper, he just needs to get that down I guess.
     
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    His decision making will get better as the season goes on. This is a new team he is with, and its his turn to shine, he has the best drive and determination in the game, you better believe he will adapt to it.
     
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    Kobe may be the next jordan but he has two problems that is stoping him from getting to that level. The "Media", jordan played the media instead of letting the media distroy his reputation. Kobe needs to do the same. he shouldnt make 8 assists if the media says he is a "ballhog" he shouldnt not shoot just becuase his teamates say he shoots too mcuh. if they say he shoots too much he should take the 20 shots but instead of making 10 he should try and make 14.
    Kobe should light people up, if he feels there is a missmach (which there is in most cases) against him he shoud go ahead and score those 60 points just like jordan did. if he has issues with ray allen, he should score 50 points and "WIN".
    One more thing, he needs to learn that what happens at home stays at home, what happens with friends stays with friends and what happens on court shoud stay on the court.
     
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    Making people better. I'm not talking about getting people open looks. Making people play better than they would without him. i.e. Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd. 48pts 4 assists. The Lakers are a couple games over .500. He's got to prove to me he wants the team to win not just to put up huge numbers every night in a losing effort.
     
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    yeah Mel had a point. kobe is confusing. one day he's shooting too much then the next day he's not shooting at all.
     
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    I think Kobe shoots to much 3 pointers. He averages aaround 31% in 3s so he needs to take it in more.
     

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