I think Shaq is greatest center ever. I say that because if you put Shaq in his prime against any of the great centers of the past, he would dominate all of them.
^ The only reaso he has been doing so good is he always has a great is he always has a great player with him. Also he wouldn't be able to dominate Alvin Attles, or Wilt, or Jabbar
No kidding. Wilt, Attles, Jabbar would give him a fair fight. I don't know about Attles, because i've never seen him play... but he did have a successful career. Wilt and Jabbar would dominate Shaq, the other way around buddy. If Kobe can easily draw three fouls on Shaq, then so can they. Sides, they make their free-throws. Shaq can't...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cody 7k:</div><div class="quote_post">No kidding. Wilt, Attles, Jabbar would give him a fair fight. I don't know about Attles, because i've never seen him play... but he did have a successful career. Wilt and Jabbar would dominate Shaq, the other way around buddy. If Kobe can easily draw three fouls on Shaq, then so can they. Sides, they make their free-throws. Shaq can't...</div> Attles could score and was a blocking machine
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No disrespect to Wilt, he spent more seasons with the Lakers than any other team and helped us win a championship. I think Kareem has him beat though and not simply because he played longer; the numbers speak for themselves.</div> you forgot to mention that Kareem played 7 or 6 six more years how many records does he have again? NOT more than Wilt of course !!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">^ The only reaso he has been doing so good is he always has a great is he always has a great player with him. Also he wouldn't be able to dominate Alvin Attles, or Wilt, or Jabbar</div> I never saw Attles play. Jabbar would give Shaq problem because it's impossible to defend the sky hook, but I do think Kareem is too small to guard Shaq. Wilt scored his points on players 4 - 6 inches shorter than him. He wouldn't have been as dominate with a 7' 1" 350 pounder defending him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">^Dude thats just pure B.S. The only reason Shaq has been sucessfull is that he always is with a guy that is also real good. Dwayne Wade, Kobe, nad Penny. Thats how Shaq has all sucess. Now MJ didn't always have Pippen. Amd Chaimberlain and Wilt were both solo flyers.</div> WTF are you smoking? Shaq was CLEARLY better than Penny and Kobe. DWyane is only arguable because Shaq is at the peak of his career. Even still I say Shaq. When MJ had Pippen he ALWAYS won titles. HE never won without Pippen so your smoking something. Also Wilt and Chamberlain? I know Wilt Chamberlain, but not them both. Man before you argue on my post at least post something to back it up. I spent some time on that post and then you come in and make a 10 secoond post saying it sucks. EVERY CENTER HAD HELP TOO WHEN THEY WON TITLES Wilt: IN his Philly championship he had Hal Greer averaging 22.1 points, Chet Walker averaged 19.3 points. Billy Cunningham, in his second scored 18.5 points per game. AAlong with Wilts 24 PPG this team was loaded with talent. How can you say Shaq has good players when Wilt has some of the GREATEST players of all time on his team. Lakers: Wilt had 2 of the greatest players of all time on his team when he won this championship, Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. I'd rather have them two as partenrs than Kobe BRyant. I don't think this even needs to be explained. Kareem: Milwaukee: He had Big O on his team the guy who averaged a triple double and led the league in scoring mutliple times and one of the best guards ever to play the game. Nuff said. Wth BIg O feeding you the ball life is a whole lot easier. LAkers: HE had MAgic Johnson and JAmes Worthy. Having these two guys is better than what Wilt had in Elgin and West. No explanation at all needed. Shaq: Lakers: Shaqs championships came with the LAkers and his only real help was Kobe Bryant. Derek Fisher and Robert horry chipped in theri little help, but we all know they were role-players. Shaq and Kobe won 3 consecutive championships together. So Air Pietrus how can you say Shaq is only good because of his teammates? Who do yuo think is the best center? KAreem had MAgic AND JAmes Worthy and Wilt had Jerry West AND Elgin Baylor while Shaq had Kobe. I want to see your reply really soon. I can't wait.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">WTF are you smoking? Shaq was CLEARLY better than Penny and Kobe. DWyane is only arguable because Shaq is at the peak of his career. Even still I say Shaq. When MJ had Pippen he ALWAYS won titles. HE never won without Pippen so your smoking something. Also Wilt and Chamberlain? I know Wilt Chamberlain, but not them both. Man before you argue on my post at least post something to back it up. I spent some time on that post and then you come in and make a 10 secoond post saying it sucks. EVERY CENTER HAD HELP TOO WHEN THEY WON TITLES Wilt: IN his Philly championship he had Hal Greer averaging 22.1 points, Chet Walker averaged 19.3 points. Billy Cunningham, in his second scored 18.5 points per game. AAlong with Wilts 24 PPG this team was loaded with talent. How can you say Shaq has good players when Wilt has some of the GREATEST players of all time on his team. Lakers: Wilt had 2 of the greatest players of all time on his team when he won this championship, Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. I'd rather have them two as partenrs than Kobe BRyant. I don't think this even needs to be explained. Kareem: Milwaukee: He had Big O on his team the guy who averaged a triple double and led the league in scoring mutliple times and one of the best guards ever to play the game. Nuff said. Wth BIg O feeding you the ball life is a whole lot easier. LAkers: HE had MAgic Johnson and JAmes Worthy. Having these two guys is better than what Wilt had in Elgin and West. No explanation at all needed. Shaq: Lakers: Shaqs championships came with the LAkers and his only real help was Kobe Bryant. Derek Fisher and Robert horry chipped in theri little help, but we all know they were role-players. Shaq and Kobe won 3 consecutive championships together. So Air Pietrus how can you say Shaq is only good because of his teammates? Who do yuo think is the best center? KAreem had MAgic AND JAmes Worthy and Wilt had Jerry West AND Elgin Baylor while Shaq had Kobe. I want to see your reply really soon. I can't wait.</div> You got a point, but those players that Wilt and Kareem had by their side all played in a style of a game where you could score 60 on a good night. Now, sixty is amazing. Penny, Wade, Kobe, and MJ all played in the modern times when it is incredible to get more than 50. Now it can be hard to get even 40. Backt then, 40 could be done by Chaimberlain on a good night. I guess what I am trying to say is that, Wilt had a more sucessfull career statisticaly, but Shaq has been more sucessfull having a superrstar by his side instead of 2 or 3 legends
Honestly guys, you cannot compare players of different eras. Many things changes in few years so how can you compare Wilt with players (and not only players) of the 90's? If I really have to choose, so I'll go with Hakeem, surely the best in the 90's.
Wilt Chamberlain shouldnt even be up there, put him into todays game he wont dominate like he did. He played around small people back than. So IMO shaq is better than wilt
I'd say he's the second best, after Wilt. My top five: Wilt Chamberlain Shaquille O'neal Bill Russell Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Hakeem Olajuwon
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Cody 7k:</div><div class="quote_post">No kidding. Wilt, Attles, Jabbar would give him a fair fight. I don't know about Attles, because i've never seen him play... but he did have a successful career. Wilt and Jabbar would dominate Shaq, the other way around buddy. If Kobe can easily draw three fouls on Shaq, then so can they. Sides, they make their free-throws. Shaq can't...</div> Wilt made his free-throws? Wilt had some years where he shot under 40% from the line.
You cant really compare, Wilt dominated like hell because he was the Yao Ming of his era, there were hardly anyone as tall as he was back then, so thats why he got so many rebounds, blocks, points etc so easily, plus there were different rules too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">You cant really compare, Wilt dominated like hell because he was the Yao Ming of his era, there were hardly anyone as tall as he was back then, so that?s why he got so many rebounds, blocks, points etc so easily, plus there were different rules too.</div> This is the dumbest thread I have ever seen on any forum...ever. So dumb in fact that I had to go to a friends house to reply because my computer is broken. A couple things right of the bat... 1) If you are going to say that Wilt isn't as good as Shaq because Wilt was so much bigger than everyone in his time, you might want to hide the fact that Shaq is bigger than everyone playing today. Oh? You can't do that? You must have thought you were talking to blind people. 2) If you are going to say that Kareem is better than Wilt you might want to hide the fact that he played a lot more seasons than Wilt. Oh? You can't do that? You must have thought you were talking to quarantined people. Oh, and my favorite <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilt dominated like hell because he was the Yao Ming of his era</div>. That?s brilliant. Why didn't you say he was the Gheorghe Muresan of his era? It would have made about the same amount of sense. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheHitman:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilt Chamberlain shouldn?t even be up there, put him into today?s game he wont dominate like he did. He played around small people back than.</div> Oh my god, dude! He shouldn't even be up there?!? Go back to the NSYNC forum where people don't know any better and spew your garbage there. The people of this forum don't deserve to have to read that. It's insulting. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bdubb:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Shaq is greatest center ever. I say that because if you put Shaq in his prime against any of the great centers of the past, he would dominate all of them.</div> Good point. See my post in ATF round 5. You will notice that our arguments have something in common. We don't have one. Speaking of ATF, these threads are very similar in that they require people to argue something that can't be won. "Which current NBA GM do you consider the best?" is the question over there, and, the answer is simple. It's Jerry West. He has won the most rings of any current GM. He turned the worst team in franchise history into a playoff team and isn't finished yet. So, it's Jerry West, right? Wrong! There is a fight for Dumars. Well, Dumars won last year, so it's Dumars right? Wrong! West was still building last year so thats not fair. Look at Colangelo and what he is doing in Phoenix, Or Paxson in Chicago. Thier teams are doing great, so it's gotta be one of them, right? I think you get the picture. It's fun, sure, to say that "My favorite player is the greatest blah blah of all time" or "this guy is better than that guy" but when you are in the position of trying to prove it you end up either looking smart or looking stupid. But the plain and simple fact is that you are comparing two (or more) guys in different situations with no control factor. Until you find an algorithm to compare apples and dump trucks you are wasting your time, because the more intelligent your reader the more often you are going to end up looking stupid. You don't want to look stupid do you?
Let's end this. Shaq could be the greatest center of all time if he really wanted to. If he had the drive and the desire, it wouldn't be to hard for him to attain that status. But the truth of the matter is, he's lazy, and no one's succeeded in really pushing him to extend his game, to minimize his weaknesses and to maximize his strengths. The great centers are not just great winners, but great competitors, and for about 70 games during the season, Shaq sleepwalks. He just doesn't have the motivation to be the best, and it frustrating to watch because all he needs is to do just a little more. Exert a little more effort, work out a little more, lose a little weight. But he's to lazy to do it, and it reflects in his attitude. "I got injured on company time, so I'll get better on company time." It's also interesting that the only person to ever really put pressure on Shaq to step up his game and get in shape ended up feuding with him. We all know who that is. Someone who's not willing to put in the effort to be the best can't be the best, simple as that.
the best center overall is Shaq but the best center at his peak is Hakeem. Hakeem skill level and completeness as a player offencivevly and defencively has never been seen in a center. Hakeem could hit jumpers, back u down and dunk on you, shake and bake you, block shots, pass, hit free throws. alot of moves u see in the league today he invented. his postgame arsenal of moves were just too deep. watch the footage! ONE(love)
How is Shaq the best center overall when you just listed all the things the Dream could do. I'm not gonna take any sides at this time, but it seems you're really saying that the Dream is the all around best by listing all his skills. You might need to list all the things Shaq can do as well if you're gonna stick by that statement about Shaq being the best.
There are lots of things Shaq could do that Hakeem couldn't do, simply because of his size and strength. Shaq is better at establishing position close to the basket because of his strength and ability to run the court and beat his man to a spot (particularly in his younger days). Close to the basket, in my opinion Shaq is in a class by himself offensively.
