<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">Why couldn't they just trade Pierce straight up for Baron, the C's need a point because GP is gone after this year? </div> I hope that's a joke, because I don't see any benefit for the Celtics if they acquire Davis. Just because Gary will be gone after this year doesn't mean we should ship away Pierce for another point guard. I don't think you understand why I'm discussing moving Pierce. It's because I think it will benefit the progression of the young players, who I think is a much bigger part of the C's future than Pierce is. Baron Davis' ego is probably bigger than Pierce's, and the C's don't need that. I don't see a need in trading "superstar" for "superstar".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope that's a joke, because I don't see any benefit for the Celtics if they acquire Davis. Just because Gary will be gone after this year doesn't mean we should ship away Pierce for another point guard. I don't think you understand why I'm discussing moving Pierce. It's because I think it will benefit the progression of the young players, who I think is a much bigger part of the C's future than Pierce is. Baron Davis' ego is probably bigger than Pierce's, and the C's don't need that. I don't see a need in trading "superstar" for "superstar".</div> I don't dismiss this as quickly because I still think that the young guys need an "alpha dog" to follow. They have enough to adjust to without having to try and carry this team for another couple years. They are the future of the franchise, but trying to push the fast forward button could do much more harm than good. Also, I'm not sure Davis' ego is any worse than any other NBA player of his status, but the fact that he and Pierce are friends make me think that Davis wouldn't be happy to come here without Paul. Plus, you have to figure if it really gets to the point that Paul is moved there will be some bruised feelings that Paul would pass on to his buddy Baron. On-court, Davis could also be moved to the 2 and play the same sort of role that AI played the past few years. A backcourt of Davis and West (that's right, skipping ahead, over Banks) could be a good one. But, in the end, I agree with Thrilla that moving Pierce just for the sake of moving him doesn't help the franchise and I also think that Davis in green doesn't benefit either side of the deal. But I think about it before saying no.
Well, if you guys want to win, you need a point, however good you think Delonte will be, he is not a starter in this league, and Marcus Banks isn't either. I wouldn't put too much stock in friendships around the league and how that will affect a player's performance, admittedly they are all baby's, but this is a business and if Baron was on the C's he would get it, I promise. He understands history and this franchise, I mean he went to UCLA so he knows about storied histories. Baron is being a female dog right now because he is playing in a city that doesn't deserve a team, the second best player on the team hasn't played in 2 years, and Byron Scott is a terrible coach. Baron is a true point, who only ball hogs because there is no one good on his team, if they get him, they contend for the east next year.
First point I want to make is, I agree with Danny Ainge when he said anyone can get traded.........hell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar got traded, Shaq just got traded.......2nd point is I love Paul Pierce, but even before that i love the Celtics.........3rd point is I dont see how trading Pierce is gonna help the Celtics right now. Down the road maybe it can, but right now that would be a horrendous move. Ive said before, only way Id move Pierce is if he became T-Mac 2 and started whining to get traded (which hes never done) or became Ron Artest 2 and just starting hurting the team (which hes never done). You wouldnt get back a player as good as he is, so you hurt the team on the floor and also hurt the team's image as far as the fan base goes, which isnt super strong at this point anyway. People who are talking about trading Pierce right now either dont realize the Celts would get the short end of it, or they are just Pierce-haters, period. Another thing Im sick of hearing is Pierce is somehow "dogging it".....this guy consistently is one of the best rebounders, if not THE best, on the team, and hes the SHOOTING GUARD!!! He had 10 rebounds last night...anyone who knows basketball knows rebounding takes effort....no way does he get those rebounds without effort...he also consistently leads the team in steals....I guess he get all those steals by being lazy or just luck. COME ON PEOPLE, GET OFF PIERCE'S BACK. Hes frustrated with the losing the last couple of years, but who isnt? So hes done some things and said some things that made him look bad, but he is still more of a plus than a minus on this team and trading him would be like taking 2 steps back........I dont want to see anymore steps back for this team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, if you guys want to win, you need a point, however good you think Delonte will be, he is not a starter in this league, and Marcus Banks isn't either. I wouldn't put too much stock in friendships around the league and how that will affect a player's performance, admittedly they are all baby's, but this is a business and if Baron was on the C's he would get it, I promise. He understands history and this franchise, I mean he went to UCLA so he knows about storied histories. Baron is being a female dog right now because he is playing in a city that doesn't deserve a team, the second best player on the team hasn't played in 2 years, and Byron Scott is a terrible coach. Baron is a true point, who only ball hogs because there is no one good on his team, if they get him, they contend for the east next year.</div>I suppose the Celtics should just take your word for it, instead of using logic. Just because Delonte West is not a starter in your opinion, does not make it fact. Also, there is no excuse for immature behavior out of a grown man like Baron Davis. Don't make excuses for him. If he was really a quality individual, he'd be able to handle the situation in New Orleans. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CeltsMan54:</div><div class="quote_post">They are the future of the franchise, but trying to push the fast forward button could do much more harm than good.</div>It doesn't seem to be hurting the Bulls.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">It doesn't seem to be hurting the Bulls.</div> Oh, well if it's working for Chicago then it MUST be a good idea. C'mon, they're about to throw a parade because they won 5 games in a row. My friends from Chicago are giddy because it's JANUARY they haven't been eliminated from playoff contention yet. Not exactly who we should aspire to be like.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CeltsMan54:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, well if it's working for Chicago then it MUST be a good idea. C'mon, they're about to throw a parade because they won 5 games in a row. My friends from Chicago are giddy because it's JANUARY they haven't been eliminated from playoff contention yet. Not exactly who we should aspire to be like.</div> Man, I enjoyed that. Seriously though, I think we need to actually rebuild. Not half-ass rebuild while trying to make the playoffs in order to get swept.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Seriously though, I think we need to actually rebuild. Not half-ass rebuild while trying to make the playoffs in order to get swept.</div> Not gonna happen, my man. I think the way to rebuilding is 1. trade away smaller contract for large, expiring contracts, cap room and first round draft picks and 2. spend that new found cap room wisely in the offseason. (Atlanta's a good example. They weren't foolish enough to go insane with their Dampier offer just to say they signed a free agent and rolled the cap room over for this coming offseason). But the Celtics movable contracts are of the minor variety, not enough to get us major cap space. The huge contracts that remain: Pierce at 2 years and 28+ mil, LaFrentz at 4 years and 45 million (technically its only 2 more years but I'm willing to assume he exercises his option. I can't see anyone else giving him 2 years and 24.5 million), Blount has 5 years and 33.5 million and lets not forget Baker is still on our cap for 2 more years at 5.3 mil apeice. Pierce could be moved this offseason, but I don't think LaFrentz will be shipped out until the last year of his deal. That means the Celtics can't realistically expect serious cap space for 3 more years. Just in time for the kiddie corps of Jefferson, Allen and West to come up for new deals. In other words, don't expect big things in free agency. And the East is so bad that the C's would have to basically forfeit 50+ games to head back to Seacacus. Oh, and do we really want to talk about the Celtic's luck with the draft lottery? So there go the high draft picks. Not that thats a bad thing because I can't see anyone of the horizon worth tanking a season for. There is no Duncan in college right now and even if there is some young stud, high schoolers take 3 years to really blossom (call me crazy, I'm not counting on another LeBron to be there). That puts us in year 6 of re-rebuilding. Something tells me that "Championship 17... We're hoping for 2011" is not going to rally the people. In other words, Thrilla, rebuilding on the fly is how it's gonna have to be. I say keep Pierce (after all, he's 27, not 37), keep on him to get him to buy into the system (and he is coming around), and keep working the younger guys into the lineup, giving them more minutes. Offering Jiri, Yogi, Googs, maybe Ricky depending on who we're talking about, see if there is anyone worth going for at the trading deadline (I'm a little surprised they haven't made a play for Szerbiak) but if not, we still go into this offseason with a little cap space, our young guys with a year of experience under their belt and Pierce with a year in the running system and Doc Rivers as the head coach. In my eyes, thats not that bad of a foundation to build on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I suppose the Celtics should just take your word for it, instead of using logic. Just because Delonte West is not a starter in your opinion, does not make it fact. Also, there is no excuse for immature behavior out of a grown man like Baron Davis. Don't make excuses for him. If he was really a quality individual, he'd be able to handle the situation in New Orleans. It doesn't seem to be hurting the Bulls.</div> Well, at least 23 other teams didn't think he was a starter in this league either, so really it's not just my opinion
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, at least 23 other teams didn't think he was a starter in this league either, so really it's not just my opinion</div> I'm sorry, but that's the saddest argument I've ever seen. I could go ahead and make an astronomically long list of great players who've been picked later in the draft, or even make a list of teams that picked ahead of Boston who don't need a point guard, but I don't feel that your weak argument merits any more than a laugh.
