How Do We Get Rid Of Fisher, And Who Do We Trade Him For?

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm surprised at the amount of support for Murphy. I never envisioned him as a player to build around. He rebounds well and has a nice midrange game, and the most important part is his ability to play with JRich. I'll have to watch more games before I change my stance on him.

    As for Foyle, he doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with the players I mentioned above. He might be able to run up and down the court with them, but he doesn't have the lateral footwork or the recovery speed once they take him off the dribble. Foyle is a better defender when his opponent has their back to the basket. I remember all the trouble he gave Shaq, when Shaq tried to back him down. Foyle has freakishly long arms and great timing for shot blocking. From the last game against the Lakers, Odom scored 12 points in the 4th quarter when the Warriors put Foyle on him. Odom also drew that crucial charge on Foyle.

    Here's a quote from the horse's mouth, the Warriors head coach.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">``He's a hard matchup for us,'' Montgomery said. ``I thought Foyle could handle him. We had so many chances tonight, but we just couldn't pull it out</div>
     
  2. GSWScruff

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    Duncan, KG, and Webber's offenses consist of post up or face up moves from the high or low block. Against this type of player, Foyle has the quickness and the length to defend (he may not have the length for KG actually). The reason he cannot shut them down consistantly is because he lacks the defensive understanding to be in the right spot at the right time. Although, he's a lot better than he used to be and I hope he continues to improve.

    Odom, on the other hand, WAS taking him off of the dribble. All of his points against Foyle were either layups where he drove from the 3point line, freethrows from when he was fouled on those drives, or putbacks from offensive rebounds (most of which were caused by some overlooked over-the-back fouls . . . sorry, had to get that in). I agree that Foyle is not fast enough to handle Odom from the perimeter, but there are very few true forwards in the league that feel comfortable driving from the perimeter, and Foyle's quickness is just fine to defend from either block.

    Anyways, aside from Foyle . . . you are absolutely right that we need a quick, athletic, shot blocker. I would also add that he needs to be able to give us some offense from the post and be a threat on the offensive glass. Biedrins is supposed to be all of these things, so I hope we get to see him a fair amount in the second half of the season.

    Back on track for this thread . . . it would be excellent to trade Fish and Cliff to NJ for an exception, a pick, and Planinic. Speedy and Planinic could hold down the 1 for the rest of the season and it would give Biedrins a spot on the roster, along with the exception which can be valuable in the offseason. It also gives NJ good experience for a playoff run, and Fisher would be much more useful playing with Kidd and Carter.
     
  3. .cabangbang

    .cabangbang BBW Member

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    ^Great idea.
     
  4. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan, KG, and Webber's offenses consist of post up or face up moves from the high or low block. </div>
    Foyle struggles against these guys, what Odom did to him from the perimeter, these players do to Foyle, but just at closer range to the basket. Back to the basket, Foyle is one of the best in the league, but when a player faces him up and drives on him, he has a hard time keeping up.

    I guess we can agree to disagree. How about the Warriors bringing Keon Clark in?

    Back to the topic, I do like the trade idea with the Nets. Both teams would benefit in the deal and it gives Uncle Cliffy a chance to return to the post season. It might be hard to pry Planicic from the Nets, because Rod Thorn is high on him and he's young and cheap. Fisher would be a great backup for Jason Kidd, and would be an asset for a playoff run. I'm not sure if New Jersey would want to take on his salary, but I also never expected them to land Vince Carter.
     
  5. .cabangbang

    .cabangbang BBW Member

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    ^You know I was thinking about writing a letter to Mullin about signing Keon Clark. He started over Divac once, so how bad can he be?
     
  6. GSWScruff

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">It might be hard to pry Planicic from the Nets, because Rod Thorn is high on him and he's young and cheap. Fisher would be a great backup for Jason Kidd, and would be an asset for a playoff run. I'm not sure if New Jersey would want to take on his salary, but I also never expected them to land Vince Carter.</div>Yeah, the Planicic idea is kind of wishful thinking, but if we do ditch Fisher, the prospect of a Speedy/Flores combo at the point scares me, especially with Speedy's knees (knock on wood). I would be partial to just taking the exception and Planinic without the pick.

    You are right about the money. In my mind, it would be silly for the Nets to make this trade. They would be good for the rest of this year, even without Jefferson, but next year they would find themselves paying ~$45M to the combination of Kidd/Carter/Jefferson/Fisher. Ouch. It sure looks good from the Warriors' perspective though!
     
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    ice ice BIBBY JBB JustBBall Member

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    Im not a Warriors fan...but tell why does everyone hate the guy so bad??
     
  8. .cabangbang

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    ^Well he has horrible shot selection and can't do what we need
     
  9. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I wouldn't mind Keon Clark, but what bout Vladimir Stepania? He's not a bad player. I haven't heard much about Planicic's game, but I'd doubt the Nets would even take Fisher and his lame contract. Nets would probably want Cliffy and our other point guard with a championshp ring, Speedy Claxton, and that wouldn't be fair to us.
     

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