Wow another bull sh*t trade to add to our horrible trade history I cant even think of a good post to describe how bad this trade is for us. We lose a player who cans core 20 on any given night for a good defender, but nothing spectacular and bad on the offensive end. God damn it how *** is this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Mobley and Micheal Bradley for Doug fricking Christie. Why did we do this?</div> That's a very good question my friend. The Magic needed some defense out on the perimeter but Christie isnt THAT good of a defender to trade away Mobley. Mobley was playing very well. Bad trade for the Magic great trade for the Kings. They dont play defense anyway. I wonder how Francis will take it. All I know is I'm very pleased. One less player on the Magic that can possibly hurt the Knicks in the playoffs. Sorry for your loss though.
Christie is the better defender and passer, but it's weird to see Francis without Mobley, you know what, I'll say it's a good deal for them [the Magic]. Mobley likes to shoot, though you could say he's the better player, with him gone, it will open more offensive oppurtunities for Dwight Howard, and Turkoglu You're right though, Christie isn't actually that good of a man to man defender, he isn't a capable stopper like an Artest, Posey, Pietrus etc, he's actually more of an off-ball defender than on the ball, but he is better than Mobley.
I do not get this trade. Mobely is one of themost under-rated players in the NBA. Last year, he was everything for us, and to just throw him away for Doug Christie is beyond me, Weisbrod has got more explaining to do, other than 'We needed defense.' Mobely has guarded the best of them, and I honestly believe they could've pulled something WAY bigger than this. This might've been a desperation move, like the one the Rockets pulled. But, it could also help chemistry, but I will never know how, Francis, Mobely, and Hill were one of the best 1,2,3 combo's in the league, if not THE best. Well, atleast Cuttino gets to move back to the West, but I do believe Steve is gonna be mad about this. Hm.. I don't know what to think, I still cheer for Steve, Cuttino, and Cato, but it'll never sink in to see them apart.
Cuttino Mobley was a good defender with the Rockets, so I know he can play defense. I don't really see was the Magic are gaining with this trade, other than some size at 2-guard. If Grant Hill should go down, the Magic will really regret giving up a potent scorer for an old-timer who usually won't even give you 10 points. I don't think Francis is too happy with the trade either.
Man, what the hell is wrong with the GM? Without Mobley I think we wouldn't of gotten far as we are now, imo. The team is pissed off because they're throwin' this game tonight.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Kings and Magic finalized a deal Monday night that sent guard Doug Christie to Orlando for Cuttino Mobley and Michael Bradley. In anticipation of reaching a deal, the Magic pulled Mobley and Bradley from Monday's game in Boston moments before tip-off. Magic general manager John Weisbrod has been lukewarm on Mobley since trading for him this summer. Mobley is an undersized two-guard with a "shoot first" mentality, and Orlando wants a better defensive presence in the backcourt. Christie is that such player. On the other side of the coin, the Kings were looking to juice their backcourt scoring ever since Bobby Jackson went down for the season. While the deal makes Sacramento more potent offensively, it does lose its best (and sometimes only) defender in Christie.</div> Read More... Ok maybe when this all cools down I will feel better about this trade, but right now I see no positives in it at all. Ok the full artilce says that they did it, because they need a defensive presence in the back court?!?! Well Mobley is a under rated perimeter defender though Christie averages a couple steals it mostly comes from help defense, and playing off the ball not one on one defense. He also gives you no where near the level of offense that Mobley does at this point in his career or ever for that matter. Mobley in there head to head comparison really dominates Doug I mean he shoots better then him from the field, from the arc, and he averages only .39 steals less and .3 blocks less despite being what the orginization calls "under sized". He also is ranked #4 in the league in three point field goal percentage while Christie shoots barely 40% from the field. The area that Christie is better in is passing, but that comes from the system he has played in the last couple of seasons I mean give me a break Webber, Peja, Bibby, etc. Damn he got so many easy assists, because he would just dish it off to spot up shooters or guys that can sink the mid range jumper consistantly. I want to see how he does passing it to Cato and players like Howard who have not developed a consistant mid rnage game yet at this point in there careers. Also has anyone asked the franchise what he thought about this damn trade. Him and Mobley where best friends since the two first started playing together in Houston what is he going to think about this trade after nearly demanding a trade when he got here , but building a fragil trust with the orginization may this hinder that trust? I am not even sure if he was consulted on this trade, because normally stars are asked for there advice before a big move goes down. Arenas was asked in Washington who should they bring in Jamison or Harrington when that situation came, Shaq got mad when the Lakers let Phil go without talking to him about it, etc. Now what does Christie give us a few more rebounds probably, less points, worst shooting, equal defense, a bigger guy, and thats all not much of a improvement at all hell its a damn down grade imo. Mobley was having the best season of his career shooting wise for us, and it was only going to get better when the team has been good since the start of the season and only had a minor slump you dont trade away a key part of the team. This goes down with all the other stupid trades and moves we have made letting Maggette, Harpring, Penny, Shaq, Wallace, Gooden, etc all leave the franchise there is something wrong with Orlando management I think they have been visiting disney world to often lately and our not back to reality yet or maybe its something in the water. **** this is dissappointing to say the least. Wow how do we always seem to get ripped off on most trades we do.
Whoa! I just came to this thread after I did my real long hw! I am surprised. I don't think it was a great move for the Magic as mentioned above although Cristie will provide a perimeter defensive element, Mobley's contributions to the Magic is why they were doing so well. Francis penetrated and if they doubled Mobley could make them pay however, with him gone, Francis might get suffocated by interior defense. Mobley is one of the most underrated players in the game and the Francis and Mobley backcourt was definitely one of the bests in the league in recent years. On the fliside of things you have the struggling Sacremento Kings who have not met expectations at all. Although Doug Cristie was great for them, I think the Sacremento Kings felt as if offense would be better at this time. Now they have quite a perimeter presence. They have two extremely deadly players on the wing while they have Webber in the paint drawing doubles. They also have a great PG in Mike Bibby who can penetrate as well. Brad Miller is also very capable of hitting that decent midrange jumper. Also now that you mention it Chris Webber can hit from the midrange area as well. Now they have a threat on the perimeter and still have more than a legit post presence. In addition Cuttino Mobley is 5 years younger at 29 and Christie is 34. Sacremento will end up losing some all-star caliber defense from Doug Christie but, I guess we will have to see what happends. When Sacremento did this they were aware that they will also lose 3 inches on defense because Mobley is somewhat undersized at only 6'4 at the SG. However, let's not forget that Cuttino Mobley is a legit defender as well. He was without question not at the level Doug Christie was on defensively, but, he is more than capable of giving someone a hard time on offense, especially with his feline quickness. They wouldn't call him the cat for nothing, right? In this trade, I really see Sacremento prospering out of this the most. They get a bit younger and become more of an offensive threat. Again, Christie was good on defense but I feel as though Rick Adelmans defensive strategy will not be effected by the absence of one player. I wonder what this will do for both teams in the long run. By that I mean playoffs and future seasons. Like Tribute said, I just hope this will benefit my Knicks! But on the real, this trade will be really interesting and I can't wait to see further analysis on ESPN, NBATV and other sources.
To me mobley wasnt a trading option he is at home with his brothers stevio and kato and has made a good name for himself here in o-town. The only way to solve this is to see what christie does i hate him and now hes here with us and if stevio plays like this every night he to might ask for a trade seeing how depressed he is. Doug for mobley makes raptors and nets trade looking good especially when they added bradley what is weis thinking i bet alot of negative email is being sent to the magic i might just send one of them. I was glad to see mcgrady go and get 3 excelent players and i dont want to say i told you so but.."I told you so" in a post i put in magic looking for another guard post about chemistry going down and we need to get mobley to stay not let him go. PG should have went b4 mobley iam glad to see bradley gone but mobley really are only 3 point threat. If Weis is smart he will do anything in his power to get mabley back and other teams were looking to trade for doug and now we got him maybe strike a deal and get someone acutaly good not one who raises his hand to every play. Only seeing how good DC does in his game w/ a magic jersey can tell if hes right for us but if he isnt getting stevio happy maybe trade stevio and kato for Cwebb we drafted him its only right that we use him. Think of the line up iam not saying it will happen but it would be cool and have the magical 3 happy again. PG-Nelson SG-DC SF-Ghill PF-Howard C-Cwebb We would be the Orlando Kings hehe.
well i am not sure how much years dc has on his contract...but a little postivie out of this bad trade....mobley wouldn't sign with orlando anyways...he will demand so much money....that i dont think orlando would or resgined hmi neways
I dont know whats Going on Anymore This Trade doesnt make sense for either Team Doug Christie was a great Chemistry Player for the Kings just like Divac was now they trade him for Cat and i dont understand why Magic would give up Mobley when they where doing so well with him
I was shocked, I really was. I expected us to trade Mobley, but this trade and how this trade went down, well it is shocking. You don't call your coach minutes before a game to tell him that he can't use one of his starters. You don't trade Cuttino for DC, never, some of you have already given the reason why, Cuttino is younger, DC is not that much better of a defensive player, Cuttinos shooting is much better and he is another scoring threat which helps our team tp spread the opponents defense, DC's more assists come from the system they play in SacTown, and I don't see how DC fits in with this team's style of game, what style of game I'm wondering anyway. It seems that Davis wants a run and gun team and Weisbrod an all defensive team and we end up with a poor mix of both because Davis has no clue about defense and his offense is not much more than this run and gun style of play and Weisbrod trades away the players Davis needs for his type of play?!? I really hope this trade is better than I think it is at the moment, but I doubt it. Besides the T-Mac for Francis trade (plus filler) he hasn't done a great move yet. The Bogans trade looks more and more stupid, the Stevenson for Giricek trade as well since he signed Stevenson for another couple of years... The reason we did it seem not really clear for me: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"We felt that Doug (Christie) was a perfect fit for the chemistry of our team right now," Weisbrod said in a statement released by the Magic. "He's a tremendous passer and defender, he's accustomed to playing in an up-tempo offense and he brings valuable playoff experience. Cuttino (Mobley) is a very difficult piece to give up ? one of my favorite people ? but we needed to use our depth at shooting guard to fill the areas in which we're deficient."</div> Full Article How is he a perfect fit chemistry wise? We don't know yet how he fits in with the team at all, this is a poor reason for this trade. His passing comes from the system they play in Sacramento, you'll see, Cuttino once comfortable with it gets similar assist numbers. Better defender? Some of you already mentioned that Cuttino isn't that bad of a defender and DC isn't much better. Valuable Playoff experience? Well, he is 34 and in the league since 92-93. He was part of a team that lost the last couple of 7 game series. Also we're not yet talking about playoffs, this could hurt our team and we even could fall out of the playoff spots, who knows how this deal is gonna effect our play? And I don't hope that we'll sign him for some more years, he'll become free agent in the offseason (same as Cuttino but I think he's cheaper to keep). And then, he talks about our depth at SG? First we have depth at SF, and not SG. Then we haven't filled any of the areas in which we're deficient with this move, we have a roster spot available and I'm sure we'll sign soon someone from the NBDL or CBA but I don't think this will help us (I've read that we're interested in Jimmy Hunter, guard of the CBA team Gary Stealheads) That's it from me, one last thing: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Christie is the better defender and passer, but it's weird to see Francis without Mobley, you know what, I'll say it's a good deal for them [the Magic]. Mobley likes to shoot, though you could say he's the better player, with him gone, it will open more offensive oppurtunities for Dwight Howard, and Turkoglu You're right though, Christie isn't actually that good of a man to man defender, he isn't a capable stopper like an Artest, Posey, Pietrus etc, he's actually more of an off-ball defender than on the ball, but he is better than Mobley.</div> You're dreaming, Dwight isn't getting more shots just because DC is here now, Davis has no plays for him, and this won't change for a while. I don't know who is going to get the ball more now, Davis is a bad coach and I think he doesn't know either.
i have been thinking about this trade, and i have now a few opinions on it, some good and some bad. Firstly I tried to justify it in my mind: We lose Cat, who, over the past few games hasnt always seemed himself. He had 1 nice game, but we have also seen some 4pt games, not always consistent player. Good offensive threat, but weak going backwards. We pickup DC, a GOOD help defender, something we do need. He isnt a huge offensive threat, offering about 8ppg, but he is still a effecient player, cat offers 12 points of effeciency, since he ONLY offers shooting threat, and little else, where as DC does come in and gives us 4 rpg and 5 apg, thats 3 more in each case for us. People worrying that Francis could be overwhelmed now. We still have plenty of options. DC is a good mover of the ball, if the ball comes out to him I am sure that he can swing it round for use, or hit a open J, maybe not a 3 but its still offense. We also have good "3 role players" in Hedo and PG, who could easily fill this gap @ 3pt range, if any is left open. Hedo does offer a great consistency, when played and given the ball, cat wont neccasarily be missed, hedo might well clear this gap. Jameer will (hopefully) be given time to shine, Steve now can be pushed to 2 guard, as some people think might be good (steve prob a better SG than cat ne way) and jameer comes in and plays the 1. Meaning we still have plenty of rotation at 1 and 2. Cat was gone at the end of the season, this way we do get a option for him. It might have been to hasty but it gives us some sort of player to use. Bad senario's: The first one that springs to mind is a under perfoming Steve. Steve didnt rely on cat (or anyone for that matter), but mentally he has seen how the buisness can spoil friendships etc. He was lucky as in the summer trade was actually quite good for him, as he didnt lose many friends, infact took 2 with him. Cat gone could see steve "out of it". Cat was a 16ppg player, and that drop in our offense (clutch 3's and free throws especially) could cost games possibly. In summary, we have lost a great offensive player, who really only added that to our game, he gave us plenty of offensive weaponary, but need i remind you that often we didnt even use it. Cat has on plenty of times scored 4 to 10pts, we have about 4 or 5 on our bench that add 2/3 pts a game that could give us that on any night. We got rid of bradley, aka THE MOANER. This gives me a lift, as we dont have to play him now! DC might, and I can see it happening, stable our starters, and after a couple of games give us a bit of confidence that players like stacy do, but I personally feel that he is alot better than stacy and will provide alot for us. We just have to compensate with scorers elsewhere, personally Howard, Hedo and Jameer for me, they are the ones that really could benefit from this.
I completely understand where Orlando is headed with this trade, although I question the amount of talent they gave up, I do believe this transaction is a step in the right direction. Orlando offensively is stacked. Their roster boasts several scoring threats including Hedo, Grant, Francis, Nelson, etc. However, their ability to post big offensive numbers on a nightly basis is counteracted by their inability to defend as whole. Orlando currently ranks last amongst NBA teams in opponent's points per game at 100.9 a night. So, The Magic make a move to aquire a veteran player who's built a career on a strong defensive reputation, Not to mention the leadership and experience Christie brings to the table. Orlando is now simply attempting to stress defense among their roster, A roster mostly complied of young, impressionable players whose game's can still be molded. It's a step in the right direction, I'm just not sure if the price they paid was too great...
^You guys nearly convinced me that this might actually be a good move for the Magic, but we need a lot of scoring threats (King James X3 how can you say that Nelson is a scoring threat?) to keep the opponents busy with their defense so they don't have enough energy for their offense. In our starting 5 there are now only two real scoring threats in the likes of Hill and Francis, Cato and DC aren't really, and Dwight isn't yet. Our problem was that we have more than enough scoring threats with little defense coming off the bench and I would have loved to see them first go. What I really see now, is that our SG doesn't need to be as hard defended as before and the best back court defender of opponents can now concentrate on Steve which might hurt us. And also, I see our coach as one problem. You mentioned that DC is a good passer but that was in Sacramentos system, I really hope that he can bring this to us, but with Davis system I doubt that he can uses his skills. I can't picuter Davis using DC as he should be used. But I hope that I'm wrong.
When I first heard about this trade I was so ticked off it is not even funny. Then after reading a few posts from the more positive thinkers of JBB I think we actually did ok in this trade. Christie will take our defense to the next level and has great passing abilities. Deshawn Stevenson will play more and he isn't a bad player. Then of course, with all positives comes the negatives. Francis won't have his backcourt buddy that he has had all through his career. We lose a good offensive player. We lose youth with Mobey being 29 and Christie 34. And we lose our only good three point shooter that was on our starting squad. This trade wasn't a terrific one but hopefully we will see an improvement in our defense and win some games.
Francis upset Uh oh another trouble seems to surface... Francis is upset with the trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I don't feel there was a need to break something up just because he was going to be a free agent and you don't want to pay him at the end of the season. "You don't wait 30 minutes before a game to tell a guy he's traded," Francis said. "The way you handle relationships, for me, is going to change the way that I approach the game, more businesslike than anything." </div> http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3313340 The way I feel it, Francis's real upset with the GM Weisbrod. He's the only thing in Orlando that T-Mac disliked. He doesn't communicate with the players, he doesn't know how to treat them. The way I see it, as long as long he's there, the Magic is not going anywhere.
