<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Rose will not get excited when the Raptors win three of four games at home against teams like the lowly Golden State Warriors. He'll simply keep wondering about one thing. "At the end of the day you ask yourself those questions like why do I (have) to be the only guy in the NBA who comes off the bench and leads his team in scoring," Rose said. "That's a huge irony."</div> http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T.../11/894801.html
There's a simple answer to that question, which he doesn't seem to understand. He's playing better off the bench, and they don't need more scoring, they need more D. If he's going to throw up stats like that, he should realize how much better his stats are since he's been on the bench.
He's right, even though all of his comments are about him scoring. He should be starting. He's our best scorer, I don't get why we don't start him. No defense ok, but who will you run plays for in the half court offense? Rafer can only create so much when he penetrates into the lane. When Rose is not on, it's basically Rafer doing his thing and dishing it out and swinging the ball, or we run a play for Bosh, who's not a 1st option, yet.
Isn't it somewhat of a weird coincidence that the Raptors are starting to actually WIN games with this starting lineup and Rose as the sixth man? Call me crazy but if it ain't broke don't fix it. The Raptors are a weak defensive team yes, but that is all the more reason to keep Eric Williams in the starting lineup. He is our BEST defensive player. I never heard of a defensive sixth man in my life. I dont' want to start hearing of one now. He is our Bruce Bowen. And what is this about Bosh not being able to be a #1 option? Is it another coincidence that the Raptors are 6-0 with Bosh scoring 20 points or more. We need him to get his offense going first and foremost because it opens up a lot of things for other people namely our outside shooter who we rely so much upon. Rose is perfect as our sixth man. He can score against the weaker second units and also is more effective defensively guarding the Rodney Bufords of the NBA. I think he just needs to chill his ego out and play ball. What is this I'll be professional bullshit? Going to the newspapers game after game and complaining about his role while we are winning is not professional. He should just shut his trap and play ball.
^^totally agree with CV...eric williams has been playing well in our offense on both sides of the ball...jalen has been playing well as a 6th man. bosh has been playing well as our go-to-guy. overall the raps are playing well this way...why cant jalen just be happy with that?
If the Raptors are wining with their lineup why mess with it? Rose should just be grateful he is getting enough burn to even lead the Raptors in scoring.
A few things though, we aren't really just winning games because Rose is on the bench, we have to factor in the fact that we've were on the road a lot when he was starting, and we suck on the road. While Rose was starting, we were still winning at home. MoPete shooting 49% at home as opposed to 33% on the road also plays a factor in our wins. Also, Araujo wasn't playing before, Araujo is not superman, but he does the same things as Woods in terms of rebounding production etc, but better. He's bigger, not a defensive liability due to weakness, and though not a shot blocker, helps us more and can finish or draw the foul around the basket as opposed to just missing or getting beat up. Araujo is also a better passer, and can do an important thing, <u>BOX OUT</u>. So Rose being on the bench hasn't been the X-Factor in our wins, the real changes have been #1, coming home, #2 the emergence of Araujo, and #3 Rose going to the bench. Rose is averaging 6.1 less minutes off the bench than as a starter, his production isn't much high from playing agaisnt second unit players, he plays in critical times and plays against starters too. It's high because he's going out to prove a point. He started producing well about 5 games before going to the bench in which he was shooting 48% from the field. Some things to note is that our defense hasn't been much better with him on the bench, since he went to the bench, we've been giving up 100 PPG, and on the season we're giving up 99.6 PPG. The only advantage I see of him going to the bench is that we can get Bosh his touches early, with Rose in the game that won't happen, and we need Bosh to have good starts to games and be involved. So Rose should stay on the bench, but he has his pride, he see's a player who isn't as good as him playing over him, and it doesn't sit well with him. Banks is also right that Rafer can only create so much, Rafer strikes be as a guy with pretty low basketball IQ, but one difference I've noticed in him from the first 10 games where he was our MVP, and basically since then is that he doesn't drive and dish often anymore. He get's assists on swinging the ball to three point shooters, fast breaks, and pick and roll's with Bosh or just dishing to Bosh for a jumper.
guys u know i would sucker punch rose right now but i'm refraining from such activity because of his generous donation to the relief effort. rose is a budding philanthropist, he's really giving with his time and money.
I agree with him.. Rose has been playing well as of late, we need to get him back in the starting 5. Eric Williams would be good off the bench.
i say trade his ass out of toronto...he brings a negative atitude to the team...and thats the last thing we need right now trying to get bosh to mature into the player he will be
I'm of two minds on this that both seem to come back to the same place. First, I'm glad to see that Rose has enough pride in his game that he believes so firmly that he is a starter and is doing everything in his power to be utilized as such. Playing with great determination, he seems focused on making the most of his opportunities. This has made him more efficient as a player, since he is looking aggressively to score by posting up more and creating high-efficiency offense for himself As a result the team is looking better in both its starting and second team, while winning more consistently since the change Second, I noticed that when Jalen was in the starting line-up he had a tendency to jack up more inefficient FG attempts. These have more or less gone away since being demoted as Rose has looked to get high percentage opportunities on offense and thereby score at a rate that underlines how much he belongs in the starting line-up. As a result the team seems to be scoring with greater ease and seems more balanced in both the starting and second units, allowing that they've won more games Where do both of these lead me? A pissed off Jalen Rose is actually doing what he was supposed to be doing all along, focusing on getting his points by posting up and working closer to the net to get his offense instead of hanging around the perimeter and jacking ill-advised threes. Ever since getting moved to the second team, the number of times that I scream at the tv set because Jalen has taken a stupid shot have dropped way off. Personally I have a hard time seeing how the move hasn't been a good one and while I'm glad that JR still has the fire in his belly, it's hard not to notice that the team is looking better with him in that role, regardless of what he thinks. Attention Jalen Rose, this has been your wake up call "It isn't 'Show Friends', it 'Show Business'" -- and the Barneys are in the business of generating wins. They are, so what's the bad news other than Jalen's feelings are hurt Cry me a river.....................
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting K Bomber:</div><div class="quote_post"> Second, I noticed that when Jalen was in the starting line-up he had a tendency to jack up more inefficient FG attempts. These have more or less gone away since being demoted as Rose has looked to get high percentage opportunities on offense and thereby score at a rate that underlines how much he belongs in the starting line-up. </div> couldnt agree more...his shot selection was horrible when he was starting...constantly tossing up ugly contested jumpers with 18seconds left on the shot clock...now he seems to spend most of his time in the low post, backing people down. i love it
After reading all your comments, now I see that the Raps should really trade him. At least that way he can be happy and the Raps will be back to rebuilding mode and have a few more seasons of losing and missing the playoffs. Thats really gonna win some fans back after trading VC. (I cant stand the guy, but thank god hes gone) At least his negative attitude and big contract are out of here right? I hope Babcock and co. will do something about this situation, because clearly its going nowhere fast. And after this trade is done, the Raptors wont be going anywhere but the cellar in the east. Go Raps!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a simple answer to that question, which he doesn't seem to understand. He's playing better off the bench, and they don't need more scoring, they need more D. If he's going to throw up stats like that, he should realize how much better his stats are since he's been on the bench.</div> exactly i think the league should focus more on letting the coaches do their job and not letting the players with big salaries run teams. its funny he asks for all that money to sit on the pine.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">couldnt agree more...his shot selection was horrible when he was starting...constantly tossing up ugly contested jumpers with 18seconds left on the shot clock...now he seems to spend most of his time in the low post, backing people down. i love it</div> The same could be said about Raefer's shot selection at times..same thing with Mopete and Donyell so what does that prove?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fabfive:</div><div class="quote_post">After reading all your comments, now I see that the Raps should really trade him. At least that way he can be happy and the Raps will be back to rebuilding mode and have a few more seasons of losing and missing the playoffs. Thats really gonna win some fans back after trading VC. (I cant stand the guy, but thank god hes gone) At least his negative attitude and big contract are out of here right? I hope Babcock and co. will do something about this situation, because clearly its going nowhere fast. And after this trade is done, the Raptors wont be going anywhere but the cellar in the east. Go Raps! </div> if they got rid of Rose for expiring contracts and picks, or a young talent...look for them in 3 year. They'll be the one winning the Atlantic
