I was not too upset when Mullin signed Fisher to that contract, I figured he would be a very solid backup point, anchoring one of the best benches in the league. A guy who could distribute, play great D, and hit some clutch shots. I mean, I couldn't stand Fisher on the Lakers, thought he was a flopper and just lived off of the most dominate player in the league. But when we signed him I figured if Jerry West and Mullin like him, he must be pretty good. Boy was I wrong, he quite possibly could be the dumbest player the W's have had since Carlos Rogers and Clifford Rozier. He hoists stupid shots at stupid times, early in the shot clock, he forces some of the worst passes I've ever seen, it seems like he trys to throw the ball through people. I know he's had some decent scoring games, but even when he hit 4-8 from downtown vs. the Sixers he had a bad game, plus I don't see any of the "on ball" defending that he was supposed to bring. I would love to pawn him off on any contending team like the Mavs or Rockets, I would take back anything in return, I mean anything.
^Naw nothing against you, almost everyone here has the same feeling, and well we've discused this many times, but there are new members and new insults thrown at him every day
Watching him is quite stressful... I've tried to stay away from tv and keep the promise of not watching a warriors game until Jrich comes back. But I listen to the radio games so I can imagine the game happening a different way rather than seeing the stupidity of Derek Fisher. OMG, every ill advised shot is like you're on the edge of your seat. You want your star players taking those shots, not undersized, squatty, slow, wannabe point guards.
Fisher has three championship rings and he was a key member of those teams so I'm not going to say he's a stupid player. However, his play with the Warriors is very befuddling and borders on stupidity. Here's a what 8 or 9 yr vet and he takes jumpers with 20 sec. left on the shot clock with 40 secs left in the game and the W's up by 1, why? He's done that more than once and I cannot figure it out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Fisher has three championship rings and he was a key member of those teams so I'm not going to say he's a stupid player. However, his play with the Warriors is very befuddling and borders on stupidity. Here's a what 8 or 9 yr vet and he takes jumpers with 20 sec. left on the shot clock with 40 secs left in the game and the W's up by 1, why? He's done that more than once and I cannot figure it out.</div> Totally agree. I guess we're lucky he's not a headcase. Maybe we're just not using him right. We selected a lot of players that wouldn't really fit as a team because they simply do not cover each other's weaknesses and compliment each other's strengths like Kobe and Shaq did for their role players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">We just have a problem in our management and ownership.</div> No argument there. It's like the Yorks and the 49ers. Although 49ers fans have more to be upset about since Eddie D was the guy that made the niners a dynasty and here's his son in law simply destroying it. Warriors have had one championship and everything else wasn't very memorable and people forgot that we were the team that brought forth such greats as Wilt "the stilt" Chamberlain, Rick Barry, and Nate Thurmond. And then we also had Al Attles, World B. Free, Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, etc, etc. And there's also the trade debacles like Robert Parish to the Celtics for ...., Spree for nothing, Webber for nothing, the list goes on. Everything after Webber and Spree was just downhill from there. I think Cohan's problem is he doesn't have his own philosophy of how the sport of basketball should be played, a basketball dream, and that he doesn't know how to find people who have what it takes to make that dream a reality. Choose a style of play any style and stick with it and make sure you have general managers that can carry out that dream. We've gone from half court team to running team and then back again all with mediocre players. It's getting crazy. We better stick with Montgomery for a long time no matter how many fans are calling for his blood and this time don't f--- up the draft like we did with Joe Smith, Todd Fuller, Foyle, and you know who in 2002. Although 2002 does have its excuses since nobody was really that awesome except for maybe Amare Stoudamire and some players that look great because they have better players around them like Tayshuan Prince or these 2nd rounders that came out of nowhere like Carlos Boozer. We got the high draft pick at the wrong period in time. Doh!
^I'm telling you the catch phrase that Bay_Area_Fan made really sums us up. Where stars are born (and leave)
I don't have much problem with Cohan and how he spends money, but whenever he made basketball decisions, those have been deadly decisions for Warriors for some reason. Nelson over Webber, hiring of Twerdzik as GM, letting Arenas go, choosing Dunleavy over Jamison, Mullin over Saint... All had been huge set backs for us, and there seem to be no hope for this club in near future with those once in a while, yet deadly decisions made by Cohan. For Fisher... I initially loathed the contract, not because of Fisher as a player, but how Mullin managed the extra money he had and there is no justifying reason for us to make that deal. Now, I have a problem with Fisher as a player... Anyway, this is just my imagination on what happened. Mullin: OK, first day as an official VP, although I made all dicisions long before. Dunleavy over Jamison, check. Foyle over Damp, check. Firing Muss, check. Time to do something nobody could do in ten years... Making PO. It will be the great beginning for the icon of Warriors. Hey assistant A, what do we need now? Assistant A: Mmm, let's see. We need a backup center and backup PG, if you plan to trade NVE. Mullin: And, how much do we have to spend? Assistant: About 6 mils under the cap. Mullin: OK then. Which PGs are out there? Assistant: Let's see. Fisher is out there, but look at that. 'Chuckle' Teams like Rockets and Sonics are trying to grossly overpay 29 years olf PG with zero upside for like 4.5 mils per year. They must be really desperate. Anyway, do you want to hear list of FA PGs to find next Speedy or Boykins? Mullin: Wait, Fisher is out there? I believe he can change the fate of this club. Call his agent and say that we will give him 36 mils/6 years. Assistant: Hahaha. That's a good joke. Mullin: No, I am dead serious. Call his agent and make that offer. Assistant: 'Blink' Umm... You do realize that you are about to spend 6 mils per year on backup PG with no upside, right? Mullin: Hey, he has three more rings than either you or I have. His championship experience will be valuable to us. Assistant: Sir, we already tried that route... several times... Aren't you aware what happened to B.J. Armstrong, Mark Price, Bimbo Coles, and Mookie Blayrock. They failed horribly! Mullin: Besides, we need 3 pts threat. Isn't Fisher a great 3 pts shooter? Assistant: Sir, just in case if you aren't aware, he played with Shaq and Kobe. And, last time I check, they are quite dominating players, and they do create many open shots. We have none. Besides, please check Fisher's stats. His shooting % actually decreased last year. Mullin: Hey, Fisher is a good defense player. Don't you remember? Assistant: Sir, Fisher flops. Speedy steals the ball. Mullin: 'Not really listening' You know what? I actually think that he will be a starting PG for us in the future. That's why I am offering that kind of money. After all, Speedy isn't really a true PG and we need a true PG. Assistant: Umm... Please please check the stat and see who has higher assist numbers. And, please remind yourself that Fisher actually played with Shaq AND Kobe. Just because you are slow and can't shoot anytime you want, that doesn't make you a pure PG! For the crying out loud, Speedy is the only guy who can penetrate and change the tempo of the game! Mullin: Hey, if you have a problem with this, be a VP next time. We plan to make PO this year, and I need every edge possible. Assistant: Sir, shouldn't you plan for next year? Shouldn't you utilize that money little bit wisely? I mean, how do you plan to resign Dunleavy, Speedy, Pietrus or any other rookies in the future, while wasting money like this this year? Mullin: I will worry about that after we make PO. Assistant: Sigh... OK. You are a VP. Just remember, I am very against this...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't have much problem with Cohan and how he spends money, but whenever he made basketball decisions, those have been deadly decisions for Warriors for some reason. Nelson over Webber, hiring of Twerdzik as GM, letting Arenas go, choosing Dunleavy over Jamison, Mullin over Saint... All had been huge set backs for us, and there seem to be no hope for this club in near future with those once in a while, yet deadly decisions made by Cohan. For Fisher... I initially loathed the contract, not because of Fisher as a player, but how Mullin managed the extra money he had and there is no justifying reason for us to make that deal. Now, I have a problem with Fisher as a player... Anyway, this is just my imagination on what happened. Mullin: OK, first day as an official VP, although I made all dicisions long before. Dunleavy over Jamison, check. Foyle over Damp, check. Firing Muss, check. Time to do something nobody could do in ten years... Making PO. It will be the great beginning for the icon of Warriors. Hey assistant A, what do we need now? Assistant A: Mmm, let's see. We need a backup center and backup PG, if you plan to trade NVE. Mullin: And, how much do we have to spend? Assistant: About 6 mils under the cap. Mullin: OK then. Which PGs are out there? Assistant: Let's see. Fisher is out there, but look at that. 'Chuckle' Teams like Rockets and Sonics are trying to grossly overpay 29 years olf PG with zero upside for like 4.5 mils per year. They must be really desperate. Anyway, do you want to hear list of FA PGs to find next Speedy or Boykins? Mullin: Wait, Fisher is out there? I believe he can change the fate of this club. Call his agent and say that we will give him 36 mils/6 years. Assistant: Hahaha. That's a good joke. Mullin: No, I am dead serious. Call his agent and make that offer. Assistant: 'Blink' Umm... You do realize that you are about to spend 6 mils per year on backup PG with no upside, right? Mullin: Hey, he has three more rings than either you or I have. His championship experience will be valuable to us. Assistant: Sir, we already tried that route... several times... Aren't you aware what happened to B.J. Armstrong, Mark Price, Bimbo Coles, and Mookie Blayrock. They failed horribly! Mullin: Besides, we need 3 pts threat. Isn't Fisher a great 3 pts shooter? Assistant: Sir, just in case if you aren't aware, he played with Shaq and Kobe. And, last time I check, they are quite dominating players, and they do create many open shots. We have none. Besides, please check Fisher's stats. His shooting % actually decreased last year. Mullin: Hey, Fisher is a good defense player. Don't you remember? Assistant: Sir, Fisher flops. Speedy steals the ball. Mullin: 'Not really listening' You know what? I actually think that he will be a starting PG for us in the future. That's why I am offering that kind of money. After all, Speedy isn't really a true PG and we need a true PG. Assistant: Umm... Please please check the stat and see who has higher assist numbers. And, please remind yourself that Fisher actually played with Shaq AND Kobe. Just because you are slow and can't shoot anytime you want, that doesn't make you a pure PG! For the crying out loud, Speedy is the only guy who can penetrate and change the tempo of the game! Mullin: Hey, if you have a problem with this, be a VP next time. We plan to make PO this year, and I need every edge possible. Assistant: Sir, shouldn't you plan for next year? Shouldn't you utilize that money little bit wisely? I mean, how do you plan to resign Dunleavy, Speedy, Pietrus or any other rookies in the future, while wasting money like this this year? Mullin: I will worry about that after we make PO. Assistant: Sigh... OK. You are a VP. Just remember, I am very against this...</div> LOL. That's good stuff.
And... That's just before I realize what kind of player Fisher is... Who would ever thought that he is worse decision maker than Speedy is...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">And... That's just before I realize what kind of player Fisher is... Who would ever thought that he is worse decision maker than Speedy is...</div> Maybe he's all a ruse to distract attention away from golden boy. I mean when you have a squatty point guard flopping everywhere with low basketball IQ and questionable shot off the dribble, it forces us to look for the best antidote available to cure the poison. I saw Dun create a little today, too bad he just disappeared in the 2nd half. I guess the other team figured out who to shut down and who to leave open. Murph and Speedy have great games, but again we can't let the team shoot 50% fg percentage every time we play. It's really embarassing. We need inside presence in the worst way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe he's all a ruse to distract attention away from golden boy. I mean when you have a squatty point guard flopping everywhere with low basketball IQ and questionable shot off the dribble, it forces us to look for the best antidote available to cure the poison. I saw Dun create a little today, too bad he just disappeared in the 2nd half. I guess the other team figured out who to shut down and who to leave open. Murph and Speedy have great games, but again we can't let the team shoot 50% fg percentage every time we play. It's really embarassing. We need inside presence in the worst way.</div> Well, Dunleavy is one of those players when things go well, he will do well, but when things go bad and somebody needs to step up, he simply disappears. But then, it's not like we didn't know that before. Actually, if it weren't for Mullin's seemingly ridiculous committment toward Mullin, I really won't mind keeping Dunleavy, especially when we have no other choice. But, Mullin's obsession really scares me. Also, it sounds like we need a legit center who can post up and defend the middle. How about Dampier, who's playing for Dallas? Wait...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Dunleavy is one of those players when things go well, he will do well, but when things go bad and somebody needs to step up, he simply disappears. But then, it's not like we didn't know that before. Actually, if it weren't for Mullin's seemingly ridiculous committment toward Mullin, I really won't mind keeping Dunleavy, especially when we have no other choice. But, Mullin's obsession really scares me. Also, it sounds like we need a legit center who can post up and defend the middle. How about Dampier, who's playing for Dallas? Wait...</div> Heh, I guess that will always make Dunleavy a victim of circumstance. 3rd overall, the Warriors picked a small forward from Duke that could prove to be the point forward version of what Danny Ferry out of Duke was supposed to be. It was horrible, maybe so horrible that other teams will forget he exists and we get to retain him for the minimum. It certainly wouldn't hurt the team financially, so that I wouldn't mind so long as we find a player worthy of starting in front of him. But if he gives him Derek Fisher money even though he didn't have to, there's no hope! We'd be the Knicks except without any of the good players so there goes hopes of unloading bad contracts or trying to improve the team with so much dead weight. It's troubling when you have the chronically injured Eddie Najera, the aging and underperforming Derek Fisher, Foyle who has no hops anymore and never had size or intimidation like any of the Trail Blazer centers (Eddie Najera I like on defense and going to the rack for dunks, but the guy might even play less down the road with Biedrens, Zarko, Pietrus who have more potential and better trade value at small forward or power forward). I guess Mullin doesn't realize we needed a true center immediately after Dampier was delt in order to hang in the west (rather than sign Foyle first and cut down our options, I still think Chris Mihm would have been the easier target since he would be guaranteed to start so he would push for a sign and trade here). I guess right now we can only wait until draft time or we can explore the FA market right now on 10 day contracts. What do you think about picking up Vladimir Stepania or Jelani McCoy out of Oaktown? Vlad's got some game, the only reason I think the Blazers dropped him was because they already got decent centers in front of him and they're working that 7'3" 300 lb South Korean player, Ha Seung Jin who they hope could be dominant in 4 years or something with that size. The only other option is to pursue Magloire like crazy with drafts and trade exceptions and convince the Hornets they need to start completely over. But I doubt that would be wise since Magloire is young and he's needed to compete in the West
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">The only other option is to pursue Magloire like crazy with drafts and trade exceptions and convince the Hornets they need to start completely over. But I doubt that would be wise since Magloire is young and he's needed to compete in the West</div> If we could pick up Magloire without losing Richardson or Murphy we would compete for a playoff spot for a few years to come. The Magloire+Murphy combination in the front court would be particularly nasty. I highly doubt this would happen, though, as like you said, Magloire is way to valuable to New Orleans. We would also have about 16 million sunk into the 5 spot, yikes.
i believe d fish is more of a scoring backup point gaurd similar to bobby jackson on the kings, opposed to him being a starting point gaurd.
Kwan! great little script there. I found the Warrior's signings were absolute Brain Farts! Fisher was a big mistake, especially with that much money, his contract really isn't tradable. Dunleavy seems like a solid player, he doesn't seem like a star player, however a great 3rd option. He does a lot of small things, has a good shot, good passing ability, and can't be left open. Dunleavy seems like he wouldn't perform well on a bad team, but would fit well on say a San Antonio, Minnesota, Miami. I agree that Fisher is overpaid especially as a back-up point, but what do you think about that Foyle signing? Like does your GM want this exact roster for 6 more years and expect it to make playoffs?
Hey if that's what it takes to win and we ever had that opportunity, Cohan better do it. Cohan owes it to the fans and the bay area to go over the cap for once or get somebody that will. It's the only way for us to break the cycle. BTW, Speedy is an awesome point guard, but if ever need to upgrade we should do it. I've got a feeling that injury will catch up to his body type down the road so locking him up would be a risk for a guard that doesn't make fast breaks successful and is only an okay passer off the drive. I like him as a one on one player though and he's a true professional that gives all he's got on both ends of the floor. I just think he's not in the future plans and it's too bad because he's the only point guard worthy of starting. If we can find a 6'4 or 6'5 point guard like Arenas was, but only a better passer that would be huge for us because then Fisher can slide over to the 2 spot. Maybe we can luck out with Rudy Fernandez of Spain as mid-to-late first rounder for us. But I dont know how he is, but he sounds kinda cool.
