man o man wtf is going on with this team. give the ball to bosh, there is no one equalivant to him in any way shape or form. Give him the goddam ball. It pisses me off how this happens with our team. There mentality is like omg im playing at home i can do whatever i want and still win. But when i go on a bus to some other arena i have to lose because it is there house and i dont wanna hurt there feelings!!! That is what i think there mentality, that is why they lack defense, offense, passing, agility, intensity, etc, etc... screw it im out. im fed up when a team looks like they know nothing, but at the end of the day they are treated like kings.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Og, Sonics1, in no way am I underestimationg the run the Bulls are on, or the team overall, I was just saying that it was an embarressment for the Sixers losing by 32, and I would have said the same thing even if it were to the Suns, and the Bulls ain't no Suns. As for the wrong picture, I copied the wrong player's URL again </div> Ok man I was just making sure. A.I. has 24 ponits and it is only at the half that is crazy. They arent playing great though.
Thanks a lot Jalen and Rafer. You just lost the game for us by jacking up ill-advised shots after ill-advised shots when it counted. F***in Idiots.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks a lot Jalen and Rafer. You just lost the game for us by jacking up ill-advised shots after ill-advised shots when it counted. F***in Idiots.</div> werd... they basically lost it for us, any1 else sick of watching the raptors jack up 3's after 3's?
Rafer Alston, the master of low basketball IQ, I don't know why you're blaming Jalen, he missed some shots, but he went like 3-6 down the stretch. Anyways, what can you do really? We're not a good road team, who knows why, but I liked Bosh's numbers, he did play 44 minutes [a player on our team playing 40+ without OT?], but he had 13 rebounds and the more important thing 4 blocks. He hadn't been blocking shots all year, don't know why, but he's back. Donyell played well, did take a lot of outside shots, but his offense was efficient, and 11 rebounds in his minutes is always a bonus, we just couldn't stop them insdie though, I mean 50 in the paint, couldn't stop penetration, couldn't stop whatever. How about Iguodala ...we have to take the positives out if this: 1) MoPete shot over 33% 2) Bosh was blocking shots and rebounded well 3) Donyell had a good game which we haven't seen too much 4) Milt only took one shot in the game I'm happy we didn't win though, not in the Hurray! We lost, but in the sense that we shouldn't win games where we're taking 32 three's, if we do the players won't repent from their stupidity. Rafer after you were let's say 1-4 did you not think maybe I should drive now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Rafer Alston, the master of low basketball IQ, I don't know why you're blaming Jalen, he missed some shots, but he went like 3-6 down the stretch. Anyways, what can you do really? We're not a good road team, who knows why, but I liked Bosh's numbers, he did play 44 minutes [a player on our team playing 40+ without OT?], but he had 13 rebounds and the more important thing 4 blocks. He hadn't been blocking shots all year, don't know why, but he's back. Donyell played well, did take a lot of outside shots, but his offense was efficient, and 11 rebounds in his minutes is always a bonus, we just couldn't stop them insdie though, I mean 50 in the paint, couldn't stop penetration, couldn't stop whatever. How about Iguodala ...we have to take the positives out if this: 1) MoPete shot over 33% 2) Bosh was blocking shots and rebounded well 3) Donyell had a good game which we haven't seen too much 4) Milt only took one shot in the game I'm happy we didn't win though, not in the Hurray! We lost, but in the sense that we shouldn't win games where we're taking 32 three's, if we do the players won't repent from their stupidity. Rafer after you were let's say 1-4 did you not think maybe I should drive now?</div> Man, don't be so hard on Rafer, there have been ppl playing worse. I don't understand why you say he has low basketball IQ. 1. If you are saying because of his FG%, well then look at Yell's. Donyell has shot 16/57 over the last 6 games. 2. If he has bad bball IQ, he did have 13 assists. Anyway, I thought the real problem was that we were doing terrible stopping their second chance points and easy buckets down low. We only played Arujo 10 minutes, Bosh got like 7 shots in total. I think we have to make it a bigger habit of involving Bosh. We seem to get away from it, and fall in love with the three. Even when we aren't hitting it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We only played Arujo 10 minutes</div> Araujo was 0-5 and had 4 fouls in those 10 minutes, he did have 5 rebound, but their was a reason he was only in there for 10 minutes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Rafer Alston, the master of low basketball IQ, I don't know why you're blaming Jalen, he missed some shots, but he went like 3-6 down the stretch. Anyways, what can you do really?</div> Because he jacked up treys when there was like 18 seconds on the clock. And because he jacked them up when the game was on the line. And because he kept jacking them up for 3-4 times before realizing "Oh crap, we're down by 10 and I'm not hitting any of these shots." Why not go to the bucket when it's working for you? Same goes for Rafer. The only time the Raps were leading in the game was when they 1. gave the ball to Bosh, or 2. Jalen went inside for a post up move. I do agree that players would not take it as a lesson if they made a lot of those 3 point attempts, and I honestly do hope that they will actually LISTEN to Sam when he tells them "Jacking up Threes with 18 or more seconds on the clock is BAD."
^^yea...what was that all about? i didnt even see who he was all miffed at? ok...we lost, on the road again...but there were some positives we can take from this loss.. mo pete with a solid game on the road bosh with another double double...more importantly 13 rebounds. he continues to rebound the ball well. he said in an interview a few games ago that he felt he was starting to understand position rebounding a little more....and i think that shows. donyell with a solid game...that'll pump his trade stock a little bit...help us get something solid in return for him lol once again we have 5 players scoring in double figures but boy did it ever piss me off when rafer was just jacking up shots instead of feeding the ball into the post. he really needs to give the ball to bosh a lot more. ya know who else has been pissing me off lately? lammond! seems when he's out there he isnt looking to pass WHAT so ever. he'll take the rock, and i think he feels thats his cue to score...total ball hog styles. he'll take the ugliest shot ever rather then pass the ball. i dont care where he is in the nba in 3pt fg% i want him off the team. he's selfish
Do we have to smack all the jumpshooters (not including Bosh and MoPete) on this team across the head? I mean, can they not figure out the Raps are undefeated when Chris Bosh scores 20 or more? He's very efficient, I mean, he can take 10-12 shots, and he'll score 20+. He doesn't need 17+ shot to score 20 points.
The same GD story! Donyell, Lamond and Jalen are looking for their own shots despite the team concept our team is built upon. Murray 6 shots in 6 minutes! He didn't make one single pass, and all of them where fadeaway contested shots. Donyell didn't have a good game. Despite his scoring numbers, he was living behind the arc and was firing three's with a hand on his face. Skip', just ain't running the team like a PG would run it. You should never look for your own shot first, seems like the John Wooden speech in Seattle has done nothing to these guys. And the craziest stat of all, Chris Bosh attempted 8 shots in 44 minutes!!!!! It wasn't like he passed the ball everytime he got it. Our offensive strategy in this game was a disgrace. It ain't a coincedince that we're 8-0 when Chris gets 20+ points! A really dissapointing loss! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm happy we didn't win though, not in the Hurray! We lost, but in the sense that we shouldn't win games where we're taking 32 three's, if we do the players won't repent from their stupidity. Rafer after you were let's say 1-4 did you not think maybe I should drive now?</div> You'd think so too, but after the game when Rafer was asked by the media if it weren't smart idea taking so many threes on the road, he said that "We're a jump shooting team, and we have to keep playing". That doesn't sound like someone regretting the 32 3-PT's, does it?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">The same GD story! Donyell, Lamond and Jalen are looking for their own shots despite the team concept our team is built upon. Murray 6 shots in 6 minutes! He didn't make one single pass, and all of them where fadeaway contested shots. Donyell didn't have a good game. Despite his scoring numbers, he was living behind the arc and was firing three's with a hand on his face. Skip', just ain't running the team like a PG would run it. You should never look for your own shot first, seems like the John Wooden speech in Seattle has done nothing to these guys. And the craziest stat of all, Chris Bosh attempted 8 shots in 44 minutes!!!!! It wasn't like he passed the ball everytime he got it. Our offensive strategy in this game was a disgrace. It ain't a coincedince that we're 8-0 when Chris gets 20+ points! A really dissapointing loss! You'd think so too, but after the game when Rafer was asked by the media if it weren't smart idea taking so many threes on the road, he said that "We're a jump shooting team, and we have to keep playing". That doesn't sound like someone regretting the 32 3-PT's, does it?</div> God damn man... Add one more to the list of crackheads that needs to be shipped off: Lamond Murray. Seriously, Bosh was in for almost half the second quarter and Lamond Murray never passed the ball to Bosh when he was fighting for his position like there was no tomorrow. I didn't know he had 6 shots in 6 minutes, that's a disgrace. Now, Bosh taking 8 shots in 44 minutes. That's what, 1 shot per 5.5 minutes? Or 0.18 shot per minute? That's disgusting. I didn't know Rafer was such a BSer. "We're a jump shooting team, and we have to keep playing." What kinda ********* statement is that? You mean "I am a jumpshooting point guard, and I have to keep shooting." WRONG. YOU are a PENETRATING PG. That's when your god damn team is at their best and that's when you are at your best. You had 13 assists, so why not look to pass the ball more and get 20 assists instead of going 4-14 from the field and 1-6 from beyond the arc? Maybe we should try to get Carlos Arroyo. At least he doesn't look to jack the god damn ball up everytime he touches it. Trade Marshall for Arroyo and a first round pick. Salaries work. And PLEASE Rafer, listen to Sam Mitchell when he tells you to give the ball to Bosh, PLEASE. You ain't no Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury or Steve Nash that can nail the treys whenever they want to. Like Peterson said, inside-out game works the best, with Bosh posting up and driving or dishing the ball. And if Bosh only touches it 8 times in 44 minutes, there's no way the inside-out concept is going to work. 8-0 when Bosh scores 20+. 0-18 when Raps give up 100 points or more. What's so obvious seems so duvious with this Raps team. If Bosh touched the ball 15-16 times he'd have scored at least 25 points and would have given us a win. Again, thanks a lot.
Positives; 1. Bosh rebounded well 2. Jalen was efficient 3. Mo Pete was fairly versatile, he had a couple nice drives. Negatives 1. Lammond was playing every possesion as though he had a major advantage over his player and ended up taking hard covered shots everytime. 2. Donyell is just shooting the 3, every touches he gets. Even when he has been shooting terribly. (16/57 last 6 games = 28%) 3. We had practically no offensive rebounding in the fourth! Damnit, there were soo many possesions where all our players were on the perimeter. Even if Bosh goes down to try, he can't do it alone. 4. Our offense seems to be stagnent, people weren't moving around without the ball. We weren't feeding Bosh to create double teams. 5. Somehow they had 50 points in the paint, they outscored us there by 20.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Positives; 1. Bosh rebounded well 2. Jalen was efficient 3. Mo Pete was fairly versatile, he had a couple nice drives. Negatives 1. Lammond was playing every possesion as though he had a major advantage over his player and ended up taking hard covered shots everytime. 2. Donyell is just shooting the 3, every touches he gets. Even when he has been shooting terribly. (16/57 last 6 games = 28%) 3. We had practically no offensive rebounding in the fourth! Damnit, there were soo many possesions where all our players were on the perimeter. Even if Bosh goes down to try, he can't do it alone. 4. Our offense seems to be stagnent, people weren't moving around without the ball. We weren't feeding Bosh to create double teams. 5. Somehow they had 50 points in the paint, they outscored us there by 20.</div> There's an obvious reason why we got outscored by 20 in the paint. How can we not be outscored inside when Bosh isn't getting the ball, and Marshall is jacking up treys like there's a big "WELCOME" sign on the basket? They're the two legit in-the-paint scorers we have. I don't get Rose. Even though he was "efficient" he still went 1-4 from beyond the arc, and no surprise, he only went to the line once and had ZERO assists.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">There's an obvious reason why we got outscored by 20 in the paint. How can we not be outscored inside when Bosh isn't getting the ball, and Marshall is jacking up treys like there's a big "WELCOME" sign on the basket? They're the two legit in-the-paint scorers we have. I don't get Rose. Even though he was "efficient" he still went 1-4 from beyond the arc, and no surprise, he only went to the line once and had ZERO assists.</div> It shouldn't be a surprise that we get outscored in the paint. What can you do when AI gets into the lane? He finds his teammates or scores it himself. Kenny Thomas, as raw as an inside player that he is, can rip up Bosh inside. Bosh should be getting more touches, and he should be going inside more. He should stay agressive like he did in the previous games at home, i.e. against the Celts. I wouldn't exactly call Donyell Marshall an inside player. He has limited moves inside, and his game is more based around nailing 3's and open jumpshots. If you do run a post play for him, it will be very tough for him to score. The one thing that makes him a decent inside player is his long arms. If I was Sam, I would take Rose out if he takes illadvised shots like he did in Philly, with him jackin up treys. And he did, however, you have to run post up plays inside for him. That's his bread and butter. He can hit the mid range shot also, but in order for you to get him those kind of shots, you have to run him those plays. When you have nothing else going, running plays for Bosh, who can get shut down if double teamed or covered correctly, then you're force to change your play, which leads to jumpers. Don't pass it to Rose when he's on the wing deep, because then he has the urge to shoot the ball. Just run him plays inside then you should be fine, since he still attracts double teams, you can have open shots for the likes of Marshall, Mo', Bonner, Alston and them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">It shouldn't be a surprise that we get outscored in the paint. What can you do when AI gets into the lane? He finds his teammates or scores it himself. Kenny Thomas, as raw as an inside player that he is, can rip up Bosh inside. Bosh should be getting more touches, and he should be going inside more. He should stay agressive like he did in the previous games at home, i.e. against the Celts. I wouldn't exactly call Donyell Marshall an inside player. He has limited moves inside, and his game is more based around nailing 3's and open jumpshots. If you do run a post play for him, it will be very tough for him to score. The one thing that makes him a decent inside player is his long arms. If I was Sam, I would take Rose out if he takes illadvised shots like he did in Philly, with him jackin up treys. And he did, however, you have to run post up plays inside for him. That's his bread and butter. He can hit the mid range shot also, but in order for you to get him those kind of shots, you have to run him those plays. When you have nothing else going, running plays for Bosh, who can get shut down if double teamed or covered correctly, then you're force to change your play, which leads to jumpers. Don't pass it to Rose when he's on the wing deep, because then he has the urge to shoot the ball. Just run him plays inside then you should be fine, since he still attracts double teams, you can have open shots for the likes of Marshall, Mo', Bonner, Alston and them.</div> The thing about running post up plays about Rose is that he only goes inside if he thinks that he has the matchup. If he doesn't think he does, then he stays outside regardless of what Sam tells him and jacks up shots like he did on Friday. I bet all the plays for Rose called for him to go plant himself in the low post and wait for the ball, but instead he didn't listen and waited in the perimeter. You also mentioned that Bosh needs to stay aggressive, but how can he stay aggressive when his teammates are giving him the ball 8 times in 44 minutes? He was playing his butt off on the defensive end and the offensive end trying to get a better position and Rafer, Rose, Murray all ignored him for most of the time. They elected in their idiotic minds that jacking up three with a hand on their faces has a better chance of going in than feeding it into Bosh and working an inside-out game. What I meant about Donyell Marshall being an inside threat is when he crashes the board and gets the garbage points. Apparently he's the only one on Raps roster that can do it consistently. Matt Bonner can't do it, Woods can't do it, and Araujo barely does it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post"> What I meant about Donyell Marshall being an inside threat is when he crashes the board and gets the garbage points. Apparently he's the only one on Raps roster that can do it consistently. Matt Bonner can't do it, Woods can't do it, and Araujo barely does it.</div> I agree with most of your post, however I think Jalen only had 4 3 attempts, and I think that a few were open shots. So maybe he had one max two forced shots. Secondly, Donyell had 0 garbage points in the Phili game. I saw it, he just was left open under the basket and made a layup. He didn't crash the boards, he was in the game for 27 minutes and managed to get 2 offensive boards, and I'm pretty sure they were just long rebounds from a 3 attempt. Donyell rarely is down low crashing boards, which leaves Bosh very little chance of getting a rebound when surrounded by a few opposing players. I agree that Bonner and Woods can't do it, however Arujo is fully capable of doing it. When Arujo crashes, he sometimes needs a couple people to box him out, which leaves our man Bosh open to finish it. Just to point out that Arujo had 2 offensive boards in 10 minutes, which Yell had 2 in 27 minutes. I do like Donyell a lot, but we need someone helping Bosh on the offensive boards, and another offensive low post presence.
